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[mrbusdriver]

Turbo, are you familiar with the actual pressure of the Apollo suits? As they were pressurized with 100% O2, it certainly wasn't the 14.7 lbs you're probably visualizing. Add that to the neatly designed accordian joints and you have a relatively flexible suit...certainly not like the shuttle versions, but much better than they had for the Gemini EVAs.

Posty had a link, did you look at it? What's wrong with the data there?

[Obviousman]

MID, on 04 March 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Well, Cz,
I'm surprized.

I suppose it won't do much good for Turb...what without the pressure rig and all that minor stuff attached.
Nice replica!


One wonders....who dishes out $2500 for a costume???


maybe:  If he buys one and can indeed flex his legs, he'll drop this most recent issue???

Ahem.

[Czero 101]

Obviousman, on 06 March 2012 - 01:16 AM, said:

Ahem.

+1  




Cz

[postbaguk]

While we await a response, these rather wonderful images have just been posted on the LRO website. Taken from the lower, 25km orbit.

http://lroc.sese.asu...the-Tracks.html



http://lroc.sese.asu...s.html#extended



(Thanks to Moving Finger for posting them on another site)

[Czero 101]

Thanks Posty...

One of the things that amazes me is that the flag is still flying at the Apollo 12 site, as evidenced by its shadow in the second image.



Cz

[MID]

postbaguk, on 06 March 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

While we await a response, these rather wonderful images have just been posted on the LRO website. Taken from the lower, 25km orbit.

http://lroc.sese.asu...the-Tracks.html



http://lroc.sese.asu...s.html#extended



(Thanks to Moving Finger for posting them on another site)

Amazing how that Surveyor is right where it was indicated to be...around 600 feet across the crater along the wall!

And there's the LM, sitting right where it is in the LRO photos.

Just above the rim of the crater.




Very cool stuff Posty!

[EarthSongs]

Hey guys, I'm new here but I've been reading all this stuff and still haven't seen anyone address a concern I have always had with the whole subject. So it may sound niave of me to ask but I'm gonna throw it out there and hope one of you "experts" will chime in and give me a definitive answer to my query.......IF we did actually go to the moon and the flag was put there, then WHY does the video of it show the flag moving as if wind current is moving it around? I was always under the impression that there is no wind or atmosphere for that matter on the moon, so how could the flag move the way it does in the video????
I'll thank you in advance for any clarity that may occur.

[skyeagle409]

EarthSongs, on 07 March 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Hey guys, I'm new here but I've been reading all this stuff and still haven't seen anyone address a concern I have always had with the whole subject. So it may sound niave of me to ask but I'm gonna throw it out there and hope one of you "experts" will chime in and give me a definitive answer to my query.......IF we did actually go to the moon and the flag was put there, then WHY does the video of it show the flag moving as if wind current is moving it around? I was always under the impression that there is no wind or atmosphere for that matter on the moon, so how could the flag move the way it does in the video????
I'll thank you in advance for any clarity that may occur.

This video should clear things up.

[Czero 101]

EarthSongs, on 07 March 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Hey guys, I'm new here but I've been reading all this stuff and still haven't seen anyone address a concern I have always had with the whole subject. So it may sound niave of me to ask but I'm gonna throw it out there and hope one of you "experts" will chime in and give me a definitive answer to my query.......IF we did actually go to the moon and the flag was put there, then WHY does the video of it show the flag moving as if wind current is moving it around? I was always under the impression that there is no wind or atmosphere for that matter on the moon, so how could the flag move the way it does in the video????
I'll thank you in advance for any clarity that may occur.

No offense, but if you've been "reading all this stuff" and haven't seen anyone discuss the "flag moving in the wind" then either you actually haven't been reading it, or, at the very least, you haven't been paying attention.

It one of the most discussed ideas in this topic as a whole.

Might I suggest that you take a long hard look through this site - http://www.clavius.org - and pay attention while reading. It will answer most if not all of your questions.



Cz

[MID]

EarthSongs, on 07 March 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Hey guys, I'm new here but I've been reading all this stuff and still haven't seen anyone address a concern I have always had with the whole subject. So it may sound niave of me to ask but I'm gonna throw it out there and hope one of you "experts" will chime in and give me a definitive answer to my query.......IF we did actually go to the moon and the flag was put there, then WHY does the video of it show the flag moving as if wind current is moving it around? I was always under the impression that there is no wind or atmosphere for that matter on the moon, so how could the flag move the way it does in the video????
I'll thank you in advance for any clarity that may occur.

EarthSongs,
I think you'll get an abundance of answers and referrals to the many, many times this very old issue was discussed in the past.

Perhaps a summary of the situation  will suffice to explain.  That, combined with some due diligence on your part, searching within these two massive threads we've had for any and all information you might want (in detail) on the subject:


Essentially,
The flag moves only because it is being moved...by the men setting it up.
That is the sole reason why a flag moves.   Because it's being moved.  There's nothing magic about vacuum that prohibits an object being put in motion from moving.  The men take a step and they move.  They twist the flag pole, and the flag sways, not because of wind, but because they move it.  Gravity helps too.

That's it.  Simple physics.  No mystery to it alt all!


Hope it helps you some!




Another question to ask yourself is this:


As you watch the Apollo 11 EVA video...or any Apollo TV coverage....you'll see long sections where the flag is visible (especially on Apollo 11 where it was in the single static camera field the whole time).

You'll also note that no matter what happens, that flag never, ever moves..save where you see the men touching it during set up.

It never moves for simple reasons:

there nothing there to move it.  No one, no matter how close they pass to the flag, move it unless they touch it.

For hours, we all watched that flag sit there unmoving.

It was on the Moon, in a vacuum.

[Ove]

postbaguk, on 06 March 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

While we await a response, these rather wonderful images have just been posted on the LRO website. Taken from the lower, 25km orbit.

http://lroc.sese.asu...the-Tracks.html



http://lroc.sese.asu...s.html#extended



(Thanks to Moving Finger for posting them on another site)

This is stupid. The LRV tracks are visible from space, but not on the ground ?

[Czero 101]

Oh great... Ove is back again to bore amaze with his incredible powers of ignorance observation....





Cz

Edited by Czero 101, 07 March 2012 - 11:34 PM.

[aquatus1]

Ove, on 07 March 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

This is stupid. The LRV tracks are visible from space, but not on the ground ?

Well, except when you actually look at the tracks, yes.

But it is true that pretty much any path is more visible from the air than from the ground.

Lines from the air

[EarthSongs]

MID thank you for your very clear answer, my apologies for not seeing this part of the discussion in this 900 some odd pages of info.
Czero...no offense? seriously? Dude...rude much?????? What happen to basic kindness, geez!

[Czero 101]

EarthSongs, on 08 March 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:

Czero...no offense? seriously? Dude...rude much?????? What happen to basic kindness, geez!

Yes, no offense was intended. Trust me, if I was meaning to offend you, there would be no mistaking it.

Given the number of people who come in here claiming to have read all about the subject yet still make the same basic mistakes etc. that show that they actually haven't read anything but the two or three conspiracy and hoax proponent sites that agree with their preconceived ideas, claim to have "solid evidence" and then post something that is so fundamentally wrong from almost all standpoints and has been debunked over and over and over (for example, the "no stars in the 'sky' of the Lunar surface photos"), and the myriad other issues that get brought up time and again, some of us tend to take a harder line with these issues than others. MID has the patience of a saint at times...

If I have misjudged you, I apologize.



Cz