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#14101    Czero 101

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:55 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 07 May 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:



Feel free to start a poll then, if you think it will prove something.

BooNy, Jackdaw can't be bnothered to even attempt to back up the willfully ignorant, demonstrably false and almost certainly fabricated claims he makes. What makes you think he'd take the time to start a poll....?


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Edited by Czero 101, 07 May 2012 - 10:55 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:57 PM

View PostCzero 101, on 07 May 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

BooNy, Jackdaw can't be bnothered to even attempt to back up the willfully ignorant, demonstrably false and almost certainly fabricated claims he makes. What makes you think he'd take the time to start a poll....?


:rolleyes:




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I'm not expecting him to, but considering that Waspy had already told him to feel free I thought it was kind of stupid for him to complain about it at this point.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:35 PM

View PostCzero 101, on 07 May 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:



BooNy, Jackdaw can't be bnothered to even attempt to back up the willfully ignorant, demonstrably false and almost certainly fabricated claims he makes. What makes you think he'd take the time to start a poll....?


:rolleyes:




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The pics of the fake moon landings are widely covered on the net for all to see.
Including the oversized footprint come one legged BIG FOOT ON THE MOON and the print of a sneaker come training shoe?
And the same shot of a flag transversed and used on another  "so called" lunar landing and the moon buggy that left no tyre tracks and the astro - nots collecting and then bringing home fake moon rocks - from a certain part of earth! etc etc etc.
Roll ya eyes all ya want Cz - but do try to get with the programme. Thanks.

Edited by Jackdaw, 07 May 2012 - 11:40 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:37 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 07 May 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:


I'm not expecting him to, but considering that Waspy had already told him to feel free I thought it was kind of stupid for him to complain about it at this point.
I also provided him with the results of those previous polls, that didn't stop him from demanding them again. I've asked him, given that truth is based on evidence NOT on popularity polls, what he thinks he'll achieve, but he hasn't answered that simple question.

I don't think he's here to have a grown up debate, but given my previous warning about trolling I would suggest that he starts VERY soon.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:53 AM

View PostJackdaw, on 07 May 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

The pics of the fake moon landings are widely covered on the net for all to see.
Including the oversized footprint come one legged BIG FOOT ON THE MOON and the print of a sneaker come training shoe?
And the same shot of a flag transversed and used on another  "so called" lunar landing and the moon buggy that left no tyre tracks and the astro - nots collecting and then bringing home fake moon rocks - from a certain part of earth! etc etc etc.
Roll ya eyes all ya want Cz - but do try to get with the programme. Thanks.

Post pictures including soruce.

I do not think it is our job to search the net trying to locate the pictures you claim prove your point the moon landings were faked.

I know I am starting to sound like a broken record seeing as you have been told countless of times to provide evidence.  If you have nothing constructive to add to your argument then I suggest you move on.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:28 AM

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the oversized footprint come one legged BIG FOOT ON THE MOON and the print of a sneaker come training shoe?

Your famed footprint issue was convered already, but here:

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This is exactly what made the famed footprints on the Moon.  An AL7 overshoe, this one in fact being worn on the Moon by Jack Schmitt on Apollo 17 in December 1972.
It was a opretty simple and straight forward answer...just like this one.  No mystery about the footprint.  Big treads; soft, compressible adherant soil; foot print.



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And the same shot of a flag transversed and used on another  "so called" lunar landing


What's a "transversed" flag???
Show us.



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and the moon buggy that left no tyre tracks

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Where was on of those "buggy" things that left no tire tracks??

Just curious, as titanium chevron treadles left distinctive tracks...all over the place



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and the astro - nots collecting and then bringing home fake moon rocks - from a certain part of earth! etc etc etc.
Roll ya eyes all ya want Cz - but do try to get with the programme. Thanks.

Get with the program?
:-*

Yea.
Along those lines, start showing what your being asked to show, and---

--Prove those fake moon rocks..."from a certain part of earth ( :clap: ).


There's too much work for you to do...too much study and homework, for you to be wasting so much time posting silliness... :tu:


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:35 AM

View PostSeand, on 07 May 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Thanks a lot man, I was getting a little worried there.


Ah Seand, there's so much silliness in that film it's utterly dumbfounding.
One thing is easy:

If you see the name Bart Sibrel behind a film, it's definitely a hack job, filled with outright lies, and utter fabrications.

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View PostSeand, on 07 May 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Thanks a lot man, I was getting a little worried there.


Ah Seand, there's so much silliness in that film it's utterly dumbfounding.
One thing is easy:

If you see the name Bart Sibrel behind a film, it's definitely a hack job, filled with outright lies, and utter fabrications.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:13 AM

View PostJackdaw, on 07 May 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

The pics of the fake moon landings are widely covered on the net for all to see.
Including the oversized footprint come one legged BIG FOOT ON THE MOON and the print of a sneaker come training shoe?
And the same shot of a flag transversed and used on another  "so called" lunar landing and the moon buggy that left no tyre tracks and the astro - nots collecting and then bringing home fake moon rocks - from a certain part of earth! etc etc etc.
Roll ya eyes all ya want Cz - but do try to get with the programme. Thanks.

Post your evidence.

Until you do that, you are just flapping your fingers and saying nothing at all.

Ball's in your court, Jackdaw, where its always been. Support your claims with actual evidence or retract them.

That is the programme we're currently following.

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Saru has posted a FAQ regarding providing sources. Here are some relevant excerpts from it:

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This FAQ is aimed at providing clarification on a few common questions on the topic of providing sources in posts.

Do I have to post sources when I present information in a post?
We do not have a specific requirement for members to provide source links to relevant data when making a claim or presenting factual statements in their postshowever it is often a very good idea to do so whenever you can. If there are specific facts you are relying on in a discussion to support your argument and the provision of a source is possible then being able to provide one to back up those facts helps you to solidify your position and will go a long way to convincing others that your argument has merit. Obviously there are many cases where it isn't possible or practical to provide a source but where it is and where one is warranted then its a good idea to do so.

Why should I post a source - its up to everyone else to do research and validate what i'm saying
No it isn't, if you are making a claim that requires validation and you are able to provide it then it is generally up to you to do so; you are making the claim and therefore you need to back it up with sources if you want it to be taken seriously. Again while there is no strict enforcement of this if you are looking to convince others that your point is correct but are telling others that they will need to look up the facts themselves or to "do their homework" then you are unlikely to elicit much support.

I've been asked to provide a source, do I have to ?
If you are putting forward an argument, a source has been requested and it is possible to provide one then while not compulsary it will substantially harm your position and likely render your argument void if you deliberately refuse to provide one. If you are unable to provide a source when one has been requested it is good practice to respond by explaining the reason behind that.

Emphasis added, obviously...






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Edited by Czero 101, 08 May 2012 - 04:47 AM.

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe..." - Carl Sagan
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"For it is the natural tendency of the ignorant to believe what is not true. In order to overcome that tendency it is not sufficient to exhibit the true; it is also necessary to expose and denounce the false." - H. L. Mencken

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:26 AM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 07 May 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

I also provided him with the results of those previous polls, that didn't stop him from demanding them again. I've asked him, given that truth is based on evidence NOT on popularity polls, what he thinks he'll achieve, but he hasn't answered that simple question.


There's also this from last month:







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Edited by Czero 101, 08 May 2012 - 04:28 AM.

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe..." - Carl Sagan
"I'm tired of ignorance held up as inspiration, where vicious anti-intellectualism is considered a positive trait, and where uninformed opinion is displayed as fact." - Phil Plait
"For it is the natural tendency of the ignorant to believe what is not true. In order to overcome that tendency it is not sufficient to exhibit the true; it is also necessary to expose and denounce the false." - H. L. Mencken

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:51 AM

View PostJackdaw, on 07 May 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Hmmm? 2006 polls aint now as mr WD said.
Times and mankind have moved on since I think . . . . and so to has the net  :-D

Yes, it has.  And judging by the dwindling posts at forums such as this, most folks have woken up to the inanity of the Apollo deniers.

Jackdaw, what do you think of this JREF poll?
http://forums.randi....ad.php?t=233454

It might well reflect a bit on the unbelievably ill-informed and poorly presented drivel of 'fatfreddy' (aka davidc, cosmored, David Cosnette) and his cohort Patrick1000 (aka fattydash, DoctorTea, and many others), but the numbers are pretty comprehensive..  Currently 293 to 1 in favour of Apollo being true.

May I ask what you think of David Cosnette?  Patrick1000?  Jarrah White?

And can you explain why these Apollo deniers need to use so many sockpuppets?
(I already know the answer to this one, so you needn't put too much effort in..)

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 09:13 AM

View PostChrlzs, on 08 May 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

And can you explain why these Apollo deniers need to use so many sockpuppets?
(I already know the answer to this one, so you needn't put too much effort in..)

Oh I think you can rest assured that Jackdaw will put virtually no effort into it whatsoever.... not really his style, you see....





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"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe..." - Carl Sagan
"I'm tired of ignorance held up as inspiration, where vicious anti-intellectualism is considered a positive trait, and where uninformed opinion is displayed as fact." - Phil Plait
"For it is the natural tendency of the ignorant to believe what is not true. In order to overcome that tendency it is not sufficient to exhibit the true; it is also necessary to expose and denounce the false." - H. L. Mencken

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 09:07 PM

View PostJackdaw, on 07 May 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Hmmm? 2006 polls aint now as mr WD said.
Times and mankind have moved on since I think . . . . and so to has the net  :-D

Your original comparison were the 60s, 2006 is close enough.

But it's true, mankind has moved on, just look at the remaining Moonhoaxers.
Just look at those who still hang on to the subject:
- Mr Sockpuppet fattydash
- Mr. Obsessed with JayUtah FatFreddy
- turbonium who's spouting the same long debunked nonsense since Bush was President
and a few others who appear to be more interested in being annoying than convincing anyone


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 09:45 PM

Point taken
However not wishing to be banned - Again! - from posting on UM and being accused of TROLLING which is a phrase I am unfamiliar with?. . . . . I am now more conservative with my replies.
Like I said a few moons ago I quickly realised who has the "CON" on this thread?
By the by Mid - It was Ed Harris in the Apollo film?
More recently Mr WD hints that I need to grow up?
And refers to me as "HE"???
End of debate me thinks.
But it was fun  :-D

ps. in my day a troll hid under a bridge

Edited by Jackdaw, 08 May 2012 - 10:09 PM.


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:21 PM

View PostJackdaw, on 08 May 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Point taken
However not wishing to be banned - Again! - from posting on UM and being accused of TROLLING which is a phrase I am unfamiliar with?. . . . . I am now more conservative with my replies.
And yet with all your concern over being labeled a "troll" again, you seem to prefer to not provide evidence to back up your claims and prefer to insist that people do the research for you...

In other words, you're being a troll in an effort to not be viewed as a troll... :huh:

I'm trying REAL hard to see the logic behind that.

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More recently Mr WD hints that I need to grow up?
And refers to me as "HE"???
In fairness, you haven't indicated your gender in your profile, and while it may not be a fair assumption to make, it is typical to assume that a poster is male first, rather than female, especially when one has a particularly male-sounding handle such as yours.

Now, all that said, and seeing as you have decided not to let us know if you're a "he" or "she", I'm perfectly happy to refer to you as "it". I'm sure others will follow suit...

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End of debate me thinks.
But it was fun  :-D

"End" of debate?

I wasn't aware that one had actually even started...

Usually a debate on this topic usually begins with those who believe in the Hoax presenting their evidence for their positions.

All you've done is declare your opinion, make some wild claims about evidence that allegedly exists, and then completely, flatly refuse to support your opinion or provide the evidence, thereby invalidating your entire line of discussion.

Not really a debate, more like a seagull pooping randomly on this topic...

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ps. in my day a troll hid under a bridge
Yes, well, these days they tend to hang out on Internet forums, make wild claims about something that they then prove they know little to nothing about, ignore requests to support those claims, then declare the debate at an end before leaving, voluntarily or otherwise.





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"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe..." - Carl Sagan
"I'm tired of ignorance held up as inspiration, where vicious anti-intellectualism is considered a positive trait, and where uninformed opinion is displayed as fact." - Phil Plait
"For it is the natural tendency of the ignorant to believe what is not true. In order to overcome that tendency it is not sufficient to exhibit the true; it is also necessary to expose and denounce the false." - H. L. Mencken

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:15 AM

View PostJackdaw, on 08 May 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Like I said a few moons ago I quickly realised who has the "CON" on this thread?

Who?  I wasn't aware that anyonwe had the con here.


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]By the by Mid - It was Ed Harris in the Apollo film?

Are you asking me?  Ed's not here, last I checked...


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More recently Mr WD hints that I need to grow up?
And refers to me as "HE"???

I was wondering if you could slow down and employ a sntax that could be clearly understood.

You could simply state that you're a she rather than be silly about someone referring to you as a "he".   I ask, what do you expect with a screen  name of JACKDAW ???

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End of debate me thinks.

There's never been a debate about this issue.  We did it, as we said we did.  The world watched, and it's documented more than any event in history.  We try to teach how it was done, and many other things that result from the posts of people with no subject matter knowledge.  But there's no real debating that can be done concerning the Moon hoax.  It's a construct of people with profound lack of knowledge, distrust of authority, and in many cases, a blessedly vivid imagination that has been wastefully employed on this topic rather than something worthy of such a gift.

Many have tried to debate from the weak side (HB side).  None have succeeded, and quite a few were forced to take their ignorance elsewhere  (behavior sometimes suffers for some folks when they're backed into a corner and realize they've been defeated).

We've asked you for questions.  You haven't really 'gotten with the program'.  That would be fun.  Learning something is alot of fun.

Not much matches the joy of watching someone know something they never knew before.

That's yours right here, if you want it.

But somehow, I rather doubt you're inclined to go for that.  Pity. :no:

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