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#31    joc

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 04:50 PM

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BTW there were a lot of innocent Iraqis killed during their "liberation"


True!  There are innocents killed in every war.  Is that a reason not to go to
war?  

More innocents were killed by Sadaam.......lots more.............

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 04:53 PM

Im not gonna argue with that saddam killed thousands all im saying is that its wroth remembering that  a lot of Iraqis died by our country's hands.

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 05:40 PM

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Im not gonna argue with that saddam killed thousands all im saying is that its wroth remembering that a lot of Iraqis died by our country's hands.


If Sadaam had complied with the UN resolutions,  if Sadaam had not chosen
to export terrorism,  if Sadaam had opened up his country fully to the
weapons inspectors...........not one Iraqi would have died by our bombs or
bullets.......it's his fault not ours.

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Posted 30 January 2004 - 05:44 PM

We supplied him with the weapons to do these awful things, we trained his troops and we bankrolled his regime so much that to the iraqis he was all powerful.


Thatcher and Reagon have a lot to answer for.

I think you'll find that we do have a hand in the situation becoming what it has.

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Posted 31 January 2004 - 12:48 AM

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We supplied him with the weapons to do these awful things, we trained his troops and we bankrolled his regime so much that to the iraqis he was all powerful.



We sought to equalize the power in the middle east.  We did the same for Iran
under the regime of The Shaw befor Kohmeni.

We are not responsible for his lunacy....he is......dude.......it sounds
almost like you are defending him...I know you aren't but it is beginning
to sound that way.

Can we all agree that you just hate Bush and that is at the root of your
opinions on most issues like this?

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Posted 31 January 2004 - 01:54 AM

one questions...

Who here still thinks the war was justified - IE. Saddam had WMD (which they SILL havn't found) and he was part of Al-Queada (which has never been proven)
Aiding Al-Queada, i mean

anyone still think it was justified?

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Posted 31 January 2004 - 02:38 AM

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one questions...

Who here still thinks the war was justified - IE. Saddam had WMD (which they SILL havn't found) and he was part of Al-Queada (which has never been proven)
Aiding Al-Queada, i mean

anyone still think it was justified?


The war was justified.....anyone who doesn't think it was in my opinion....


...........just doesn't get it!



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Posted 31 January 2004 - 02:42 AM

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And it comes back to my theory that a critical thinking course should be mandatory in high school, and required before given the privilege of voting.


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Posted 31 January 2004 - 02:54 AM

You may think it unjustified.

You are entitled to that opinion.

A new question:  

If you could wave a magic wand and put Sadaam back
in power....would you?

Don't blink my friend.....you might miss the invasion of Iran!  Rumor has it Osama is hiding their.    

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Posted 31 January 2004 - 03:30 AM

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No wrong they didnt take iraq then because the resolution that was passed by the UNITED NATIONS was to get saddam out of kuwait. They were not authorised to take out saddam. This was the difference the reason they were able to do it this time is because they said to hell with the united nations and bypassed them.


so why did they listen to the UN back in those days? maybe they thought the UN would actually do its job..

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He didnt bomb kosovo he bombed serbia because of the GENOCIDE that was being committed by milosovic . This I have no argument with, there were no ulterior motives just plain good human compassion, which i fear and believe was not the reason bush went into iraq. Im not so sure about tony blair though i actually do believe he wanted to do the right thing.


well they bombed a good part of both then, how do you know that there were no alterior motives?

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Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. The large difference is that the Communists will kill you for disagreeing with them and the Socialists will not.


socialism is a political position while communism is form of economy..

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The reason is these countries in africa and places like that have nothing we need like OIL!!


or maybe they aren't considered as much of a threat to world stability as iraq was...

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BTW there were a lot of innocent Iraqis killed during their "liberation"


so? generally when you remove a malicious leader from power there tends to be casualties, its already been said, more will have died at the hands of Saddam and then his even crazier sons as time went on.


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Posted 31 January 2004 - 03:31 AM

this is not weather or not Saddam should be in power, It's about - Was the war justified?


....Here are the facts


Saddam killed his own people, America previously experimented on it's people.

Bush wanted to go to war with Saddam regardless of the results of the weapon inspectors.
How i know??
The australian soldiers were in Iraq a month before the weapon inspectors were even in there!
I met a friend on my holidays who is in the Australian army. He is a Sapper (lays mines and other stuff) and he went to Iraq to fight.

Meant to be classified but it's not like it's going to make a difference now...


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Posted 31 January 2004 - 03:32 AM

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Can we all agree that you just hate Bush and that is at the root of your opinions on most issues like this?

I think that much of what Bush does/did is great, that isn't the case at all. I support him on many issues. I don't think that is for most of the people here.

No one is saying that everything he did is wrong, just the invasion of Iraq for the reasons that have been listed umpteen times that you don't seem to understand.

Maybe it is just easier for you to think that the only reason that poeple could possibly speak ill of bush is because is because they hate him. That may be comforting for you.

Maybe that is how you make decisions on issues; Generalized blanket statements and black/white evaluations of each issue. You do it, and assume that everyone else does. There is more to the world than just the black and white. There is more to this issue than the black or white.

I have yet to see anything in any one of your posts on this topic or any other that leads me to believe that you have excercised any critical independant thought. Not a bit, and that saddens me to no end. I would have more respect if you could support Bush with some degree of independant analysis and original thought, but you haven't done that. As far as I can tell you have Bush'isms and Rush'isms setup as macros on you computer...

You have done marvelousely at regurgatating sound bites of both Bush and Rush, word for word. The only thing that you have added to the mix is your "Kill them all and let god sort them out" mentality that shows even less critical thought on your part, as that has been a bumper sticker for lord knows how long...

I am done with you. You can try to debate someone else here.  You set a horrible example of what America is about, and I am ashamed that the people of this board consider you and I of the same country.  

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 31 January 2004 - 03:36 AM

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Saddam killed his own people, America previously experimented on it's people.



Care to elaborate?

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Posted 31 January 2004 - 03:43 AM

yes


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If you could wave a magic wand and put Sadaam back
in power....would you?


this statement sound like you justifed the war on Saddam being evil but i don't see any difference between killing your own people and experimenting on your own people.

Both are evil deads.

Makes the American government (back then) no better than Saddam

THE PAOMNNEHAL PWEOR OF THE HMUAN MNID Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdgnieg. Can you? ;)

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Posted 31 January 2004 - 03:45 AM

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No one is saying that everything he did is wrong, just the invasion of Iraq for the reasons that have been listed umpteen times that you don't seem to understand.

Maybe it is just easier for you to think that the only reason that poeple could possibly speak ill of bush is because is because they hate him. That may be comforting for you.


Wrong Fluff.  I know you listen to the news  (and Rush).  A lot of people...a LOT
of Americans do indeed Hate Bush.  The Media inparticular.    I don't agree with
Bush on everything domestic....but I do agree with him 100% on the war on
terrorism.

I am sorry you feel the way you do.



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