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#1    crystal sage

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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:24 PM

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... Just came across this article...

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VENUS DECLASSIFIED

UFOlogia Top Secret File
TOP SECRET FILE

FORM INFRA D.I.P. PROJECT MARXEN UF088

DEPARTMENT OF INTERPLANETARY AFFAIRS OFFICIAL DOCUMENT/TRANS ENVATE/PROJECT MARXEN data inclusive DE-CLASSIFIED JANUARY 1, 1989 1NEREN CLEARANCE BY S . E.
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SUBJECT: U.F.O. AND REPORTED EXTRATERRESTRIAL ENCOUNTERS ON MAUI, HAWAII. JANUARY 1970 TO DECEMBER 1989 CLASSIFICATION: Formerly TOP SECRET U.F.O., E B.E., AND E.T. CELL] DATA AND OFFICIAL COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THIS AGENCY AND OFFICIALS FORMERLY OR ACTIVELY REPRESENTING THE UNITED NATIONS, MILITARY INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, AND THE N.A.S.A. SPACE PROGRAM, AS WELL AS CIVILIAN SCIENTIFIC U.F.O. INVESTIGATIVE COMMITTEES AND NETWORKS AND THE FILES OF M.I.N.D. INTERNATIONAL.

COMPILED BY S.E. MAR, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERPLANETARY AFFAIRS JANUARY THROUGH MAY 1972 AND IN 1990.


EVIDENCE OF CIVILIZATION ON VENUS


It is scientifically possible for material plane beings to live in an atmosphere on another planet, that is too hot or chemically fatal to Earth humans, by constructing underground air-conditioned bases or cities protected from the elements on the surface. It is also feasible to create air---conditioned domes on the surface of other planets that have artificial atmospheres exactly like on Earth, and American scientists admit they already have the technology and plans to create these bases on Mars and our Moon. Therefore extraterrestrials with the superior technology to create disc--shaped U.F.O.s, that are detailed in dozens of photos and documents in the U.S. Air Force released Project Bluebook files, could logically possess the advanced science to create such bases on the surface of the planet Venus.

The physicists William Plummer and John Strong stated that Venus may have large areas of bearable temperatures. The regions near the Venusian north and south poles would be much cooler than the areas reportedly monitored by space probes. Furthermore, according to Professor Alexander Lebedinsky, in the Soviet Union, in data suppressed by the United States Pentagon complex, the usual surface temperature of much of Venus must be about 110 degrees Fahrenheit, even though "radio---electric" measurements indicated 700 or more degrees. Similar observations can be made on the relatively COOL surfaces of gas tubes used in neon signs, because the radio--electric equivalent of those tubes is also several thousand degrees!


Why did a number of American orbiting spacecraft transmit data that Earth itself is too hot for human life with a deadly atmosphere, insufficient oxygen, and hostile elements, and then they expect us to believe their Venus probe data is accurate? Temperatures up to 180OF. have been recorded in Earth's ionosphere 180 miles up. Could it be that the NASA official temperature readings on Venus originated in the Venusian ionosphere.


The temperatures given to the public from the American and the Soviet Venus probes contradicted each other by hundreds of degrees, and the temperatures given off by different American Venus rockets also were in conflict, proving all this data is very unreliable. If a probe orbiting Earth sent back a temperature reading of Alaska that was as conflicting as the Venus data, we could be told it was 200 degrees there in the ice!

We were told that the atmosphere of Venus is over 100 times denser than Earth, so how would it be possible for a parachute to be used to slow the landing of the Venus craft, when in pressures that great the space rocket would FLOAT slowly to the surface without the need of a parachute like boats sink in an ocean? That pressure is like trying to parachute the spacecraft 2,000 feet to the bottom of the ocean! Why also did NASA contradict these releases by claiming that a parachute would not work on the moon Titan, because the atmosphere there(similar to Venus) is too dense(just like Venus). That data was in a press release December 12, 1980 with space expert James Murphy.

When the Soviets landed their spacecraft Venera on the surface of Venus, it sent excellent photographs showing a bright landscape of hills and rocks, much like our deserts on Earth yet an atmosphere that dense was expected to produce photos of total darkness. How can Venus be mapped by radar in such a dense atmosphere, the equivalent of using radar to map the bottom of our oceans at a depth that is impossible?



PROJECT MAGNET took Tesla seriously. This report details a formerly secret experimental UFO landing site built by the Canadian government during their attempts to contact UFOs their air force had monitored in the skies. Former Canadian Defense Minister, Paul Hellyear, later publicly admitted that project existed. However, he did not mention what Smith reported. the project had actually detected a real UFO with their scientific equipment, and later a scientific research group he directed established communications with a landed interplanetary ship from what their pilots said was Venus. Tesla's closest scientific assistant at one time, Arthur Matthews, was involved in this contact. The Project Magnet report added that Matthews had been trying to complete some of Tesla's incomplete inventions, when the Venusians helped him with instructions on finishing that work. The report also details several inventions the Venusians gave to Project Magnet through Dr. Matthews' committee, which were tested and worked perfectly. The Venusians were also seriously concerned about our environmental damage and danger from nuclear testing and fossil fuels, warned the government to try to stop these practices, and offered alternative non-polluting nearly-free energy systems that government leaders, kept in power by multi-billion dollar oil, gas, coal, and war industries all rejected for "Economic reasons."



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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:30 PM

This sooo sounds like a Sci Fi novel...

.. as  Mark Twain said....... wink2.gif   "Truth is stranger than fiction"
but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.



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http://www.burlingtonnews.net/venusians.html


Before we detail life on Venus in a later section of this research, would like to point out that this information is not from some wild-eyed spacey true-believer cultist, some fanatic looking for space brothers to rescue him, or some drugged or boozed derelict. This information is the writings of one of the greatest scientists of the 20th century, Wilburt B. Smith, who was director of Project Magnet, the Canadian government scientific UFO investigations committee. This prominent scientist was extremely respected, credited for numerous technological inventions, had an excellent public reputation, and held prestigious degrees, awards, and patents. Smith was arguably the greatest Canadian scientist of his times, and Tesla and Einstein were arguably the two greatest scientists of their time, based on the patented evidence.

We would also like to emphasize that the details of Venus and it's people in this report in no way contradict details we obtained from totally different sources.


Edited by crystal sage, 09 January 2008 - 09:30 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:50 PM

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some  random  Venusian photos...

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA00242

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    This Magellan radar image shows a region approximately 300 kilometers (180 miles) across, centered on 59 degrees south latitude, 164 degrees east longitude and located in a vast plain to the south of Aphrodite Terra. The data for this image was obtained in January 1991. The large circular structure near the center of the image is a corona, approximately 200 kilometers (120 miles) in diameter and provisionally named Aine Corona. Just north of Aine Corona is one of the flat-topped volcanic constructs known as 'pancake' domes for their shape and flap-jack appearance. This pancake dome is about 35 kilometers (21 miles) in diameter and is thought to have formed by the eruption of an extremely viscous lava. Another pancake dome is located inside the western parts of the annulus of the corona fractures. Complex fracture patterns like the one in the upper right of the image are often observed in association with coronae and various volcanic features. They are thought to form because magma beneath the surface follows pre-existing fracture patterns. When eruptions or other movements of the magma occur, the magma drains from the fractures and the overlying surface rock collapses. Other volcanic features associated with Aine Corona include a set of small domes, each less than 10 kilometers (6 miles) across, located along the southern portion of the annulus of fractures, and a smooth, flat region in the center of the corona, probably a relatively young lava flow. The range of volcanic features associated with coronae suggests that volcanism plays a significant role in their formation.



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In the area seen here, approximately 200 small volcanoes, ranging in diameter from 2 to 12 kilometers (1.2 to 7.4 miles) can be identified. These volcanoes were first identified as small hills in Venera 15/16 images and were predicted to be shield-type volcanoes constructed mainly from eruptions of fluid lava flows similar to those that produce the Hawaiian Islands and sea floor volcanoes - a prediction that was confirmed by Magellan. These small shield-type volcanoes are the most abundant geologic feature on the surface of Venus, believed to number in the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, and are important evidence in understanding the geologic evolution of the planet. The only other planet in our Solar System with this large number of volcanoes is Earth.

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http://www.uwa.edu.au/media/statements/med...ember/volcanoes
cool.gif They discovered that the rise of atmospheric oxygen levels, which allowed life to flourish but had long been simply attributed to ancient bacteria, was also due to terrestrial volcanic activity.

The prestigious international journal Nature has published the research paper, “Increased subaerial volcanism and the rise of atmospheric oxygen 2.5 billion years ago”.

The paper is co-authored by Professor Lee Kump, from the NASA Astrobiology Institute and Department of Geosciences at Pennsylvania State University and Professor Mark Barley, from the School of Earth and Geographical Sciences at UWA.

The paper analyses the period covering Earth’s transition from a hostile environment, where poisonous gases absorbed all the oxygen produced by the first photosynthetic organisms, to one in which oxygen levels in the atmosphere and oceans could increase and allow complex life to develop.



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Posted 09 January 2008 - 10:12 PM

cool.gif   This is certainly worth looking into further!!!!!

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http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/toxico2.htm
The air we breathe contains about 21 percent oxygen. But cells in our body are used to much less than that usually in the range of 10 to 0.5 percent.

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...755C0A961958260
Dangers of Oxygen Bars
To the Editor:

Re ''Just When You Thought the Air Was Free'' (Styles section, June 22), on the fad of oxygen bars:

Oxygen as an elixir is a nutty idea and can be harmful to your health. While essential for human life, oxygen also produces cellular abnormalities and other problems.

The purpose of foods and supplements that contain antioxidants is to counter and reduce the undesirable effects of oxygen on our cells.

The ideal human situation would be to survive at the lowest oxygen level.

This may account for the anecdotal (but perhaps true) legends of the longevity of people living in high mountainous regions, where they have acclimated to the lower levels of oxygen.

STEPHEN Z. WOLNER
New York, June 22, 1997

The writer is a dentist.



dontgetit.gif   You often read that when one exercises ...  we breath more oxygen.. the body also produces more free radicals...

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http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/antiox.html

It's the radicals, man

Free radicals are atoms or groups of atoms with an odd (unpaired) number of electrons and can be formed when oxygen interacts with certain molecules. Once formed these highly reactive radicals can start a chain reaction, like dominoes. Their chief danger comes from the damage they can do when they react with important cellular components such as DNA, or the cell membrane. Cells may function poorly or die if this occurs. To prevent free radical damage the body has a defense system of antioxidants.


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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:23 AM

another cool Venusian picture.... original.gif
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA00314

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    This perspective view of Venus, generated by computer from Magellan data and color-coded with emissivity, shows part of the lowland plains in Sedna Planitia. Circular depressions with associated fracture patterns, called "coronae", are apparently unique to the lowlands of Venus, and tend to occur in linear clusters along the planet's major tectonic belts, as seen in this image.


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http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFam...SC&start=20

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    This comet-like tail, trending northeast from the volcanic structure, is a relatively radar-bright deposit. The volcano, with a base diameter of 5 kilometers (about 3 miles) is a local topographic high point that has slowed down northeast trending winds enough to cause deposition of this material. The streak is 35 kilometers (about 22 miles) long and 10 kilometers (about 6 miles) wide. The volcano is located at the western end of Parga Chasma at 9.4 degrees south latitude and 247.5 degrees east longitude.



thumbsup.gif   I'd like a more detailed shot of this one!!!!

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:32 AM

Just because cells are used to 10% oxygen doesn't mean that air of that mixture would be very safe to breathe.  If there was less oxygen, there would be more of other substances, greatly interfering with breathing.

Sounds like a lot of paranormal arguments to me... "science COULD be wrong there, because it was wrong here".

But if you think logically, the sun radiates heat intensely and, like a gradient, the heat is less intense the further you get from the sun.  Atmosphere makes a huge difference, but Venus is infathomably closer to the Sun than we are and it is safe to assume that the planet's surface is much hotter, just as Mars' is much colder.

In order to build such complex underground bases (air conditioning uses up a lot of power... and "alien technologies" is not a feasable alternative at this point in time) you would first have to survive the surface.  Although science COULD be wrong, it could also be right, and keep in mind that things that have landed on Venus's surface in the past haven't lasted long at all because of the corrosive nature of the atmosphere.

"the project had actually detected a real UFO with their scientific equipment, and later a scientific research group he directed established communications with a landed interplanetary ship from what their pilots said was Venus. Tesla's closest scientific assistant at one time, Arthur Matthews, was involved in this contact. The Project Magnet report added that Matthews had been trying to complete some of Tesla's incomplete inventions, when the Venusians helped him with instructions on finishing that work. The report also details several inventions the Venusians gave to Project Magnet through Dr. Matthews' committee, which were tested and worked perfectly. The Venusians were also seriously concerned about our environmental damage and danger from nuclear testing and fossil fuels, warned the government to try to stop these practices, and offered alternative non-polluting nearly-free energy systems that government leaders, kept in power by multi-billion dollar oil, gas, coal, and war industries all rejected for "Economic reasons.""

Wait, what's your source for this, exactly?  The whole argument about a more hospitable Venus sounds infinitely more insane when you add things like this in. =/

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:37 AM

I'd love nothing more than, for there to be life on other planets, but Its time we stopped assuming that every satellite image we receive from another planet that has abnormality, means there was a civilization on that planet. There are so many alternative theories that are just as credible as the former...
And when a claim is made with such magnificence as this, then one should truly have inconclusive proof... but anyhow, I personally believe they may have been life on other planets, other huge particles of matter that may necessarily have been a planet nonetheless a home... they may have existed well before the dinosaurs, not mentioned on in any scriptures because they were created separately with a difference purpose perhaps? Who really knows, not I...


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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:55 AM

WraithGod on Jan , 12:32 PM)

But if you think logically, the sun radiates heat intensely and, like a gradient, the heat is less intense the further you get from the sun.  Atmosphere makes a huge difference, but Venus is infathomably closer to the Sun than we are and it is safe to assume that the planet's surface is much hotter, just as Mars' is much colder.

In order to build such complex underground bases (air conditioning uses up a lot of power... and "alien technologies" is not a feasable alternative at this point in time) you would first have to survive the surface.  Although science COULD be wrong, it could also be right, and keep in mind that things that have landed on Venus's surface in the past haven't lasted long at all because of the corrosive nature of the atmosphere.


Wait, what's your source for this, exactly?  The whole argument about a more hospitable Venus sounds infinitely more insane when you add things like this in. =/



With all the volcanic activity there ... they'd have a huge system of Lava tubes...  Scientist already are planning to make use of them for their planned settlement of Mars and the Moon ....

http://www.argoverse.com/LAVATUBE.html

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But if you think logically, the sun radiates heat intensely and, like a gradient, the heat is less intense the further you get from the sun.  Atmosphere makes a huge difference, but Venus is infathomably closer to the Sun than we are and it is safe to assume that the planet's surface is much hotter, just as Mars' is much colder.

In order to build such complex underground bases (air conditioning uses up a lot of power... and "alien technologies" is not a feasable alternative at this point in time) you would first have to survive the surface.  Although science COULD be wrong, it could also be right, and keep in mind that things that have landed on Venus's surface in the past haven't lasted long at all because of the corrosive nature of the atmosphere.


Wait, what's your source for this, exactly?  The whole argument about a more hospitable Venus sounds infinitely more insane when you add things like this in. =/
an have a livable atmosphere. The 2m of soil deposited on top of the living levels can also be fertilised and used to grow crops. Wearing only a Demron suit and hat, the colonists could tend to their crops 'out in the open', so to speak - a big psychological plus.

Waddya think?
??? Smile


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Posted 10 January 2008 - 02:16 AM

That techology sounds incredibly far off. =/  And it doesn't solve the problem of corrosion of instruments upon landing before the protective sphere is built and filled with good air, or the effects of said corrosion on the roofs or doorways that would separate living spaces from the true surface.

"So far, the only evidence that exists for extraterrestrial lava tubes comes from visual images taken from orbit, a very general tool for planetary exploration.  In the case of the Moon, some methods of exploration more specifically tailored for sensing lava tubes have been proposed.  Some of these may be extended to the exploration of Mars as well."

These visuals were also of collapsed lava tubes, I looked it up... doesn't seem like scientists are "planning" anything, simply theorizing.

The moon also has no atmosphere and is essentially a vacuum, so it's another alternative that doesn't seem plausible for anything more than bases.  Mars remains the best candidate, especially with terraforming technologies the way they are now.  Many universities are experimenting on plants and bacteria, growing them in Mars-like conditions and monitoring their success.  I'd imagine it won't be long before they'll want to put them on Mars itself, and the only thing stopping them will be the "It's immoral" advocates.

Also, I wanted a source for the original article. ;P

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 02:17 AM

Actually, I think CS raised an interesting question -- how do we know about the surface of Venus? I'm not asking this in the "I think there's Venusians down there" type thing, but more as "How'd they do that?", I'm-not-a-child-of-the-Space-Age thing.

BTW, Crystal, I think it'd be much more likely that a Venusian life-form would evolve in some funky, we-can't-imagine-it-form-it's-so-different than something terran-normal would evolve, only to bunker down under the surface.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 02:19 AM

the source of the article...
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/venusians.html
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it's also mentioned here...

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/4354/venus.htm

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http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/facts.../venusfact.html
Venus/Earth Comparison
Surface gravity  of Venus (eq.) (m/s2)        8.87   Earth  9.80

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 02:35 AM

http://ftrsupplemental.blogspot.com/2005_11_24_archive.html

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Former Canadian Minister Of Defence Asks Canadian Parliament To Hold Hearings On Relations With Alien "Et" Civilizations
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OTTAWA, CANADA November 24, 2005 -- A former Canadian Minister of Defence and Deputy Prime Minister under Pierre Trudeau has joined forces with three Non-governmental organizations to ask the Parliament of Canada to hold public hearings on Exopolitics -- relations with “ETs.”

By “ETs,” Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting Earth.

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 02:55 AM

Ah, I hate to nitpick, but geocities is not a valid source to me.  It's kind of like MySpace, but not exclusively a profile site.  The article was written by "Guillermo Alarcon"?  It's not entirely clear.  Some of the articles are accounts of sightings of supposed Venusian beings, but that doesn't say much... and where is the first part of the article from?

"COMPILED BY S.E. MAR, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERPLANETARY AFFAIRS JANUARY THROUGH MAY 1972 AND IN 1990."

The who of the what from the wherenow?

I think you need to seriously question the authenticity of this. ;P

Salla is a bit more grounded, but at the same time... "Salla pointed to evidence widely available on the internet as a source for his research on extraterrestrial visitation: "There's a lot of stuff on the Internet, and I just went around and pieced it together.""

This is not to say that these accounts are true, just that he kind of amalgamates them. That these beings are supposedly beautiful and Aryan in appearance makes it even harder to believe.

And your comparison source for Earth and Venus states the facts you're trying to disprove. =P  Couldn't they be wrong about that too?

And finally:

"Average temperature: 737 K (464 C)
Diurnal temperature range: ~0
Wind speeds: 0.3 to 1.0 m/s (surface)
Mean molecular weight: 43.45 g/mole
Atmospheric composition (near surface, by volume):
    Major:       96.5% Carbon Dioxide (CO2), 3.5% Nitrogen (N2)
    Minor (ppm): Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) - 150; Argon (Ar) - 70; Water (H2O) - 20;
                 Carbon Monoxide (CO) - 17; Helium (He) - 12; Neon (Ne) - 7"

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 03:20 AM

Michael Salla seems to work closely with the IONS

The Institute of Noetic Science (IONS)

http://www.noetic.org/

http://www.exopolitics.com/

http://www.irishufology.net/forums/lofiver....php/t1063.html


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Posted 10 January 2008 - 03:22 AM

Solar irradiance (W/m2)        Venus     2613.9       earth    1367.6     Ratio.. ??(  happy.gif      who did the Math?? ) 1.911

so should the temperatures vary as much???

they do say that Venus has a much ...much thicker atmosphere... so the radiation levels shouldn't be as high...??

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Despite the harsh conditions on the surface, at about a 50 km to 65 km level above the surface of the planet the atmospheric pressure and temperature is nearly the same as that of the Earth, making its upper atmosphere the most Earth-like area in the Solar System, even more so than the surface of Mars. Due to the similarity in pressure, temperature and the fact that breathable air (21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen) is a lifting gas on Venus in the same way that helium is a lifting gas on Earth, the upper atmosphere has been proposed as a location for both exploration and colonization.[1]\

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space hotels anyone???  Bigelow????

http://www.lasvegasmercury.com/2004/MERC-J...4/24250261.html
http://www.spacefuture.com/tourism/hotels.shtml

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