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#376    Omnaka

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 04:43 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 February 2012 - 01:51 AM, said:

I got about halfway through the thread, and saw the most prudent questions were not being answered so I skipped to here.


From what I did pick up, God is the source. Not sure how that helps, but there you go.
I thought I did pretty good answering "The most prudent questions". Most of this thread was created in about three days.  I had to sleep sometime. And Some question were already answered, I get tired of repeating myself.

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I have answered this quite a few times on this thread. Yes, Heavenly Father is the source for Most Of what I shared. Plus, I have been to the spiurit world and seen The bees and ants spirits for myself. as far as the comment about growing meat for implants, thats fine, it's not a living breathing human clone. it would not have the freewill That Human spirits enjoy, it's spirit would be of Father and Mother only (Begotten) Its spirit (The meat) atoms would stay stable out of unconditional love for Father. Again it's not a human clone and Father says he will not put a spirit inside of one (A full human Clone). I will check back every once in a while to see if there are any pertinent questions that I can answer.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:03 AM

View PostOmnaka, on 22 February 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

I thought I did pretty good answering "The most prudent questions". Most of this thread was created in about three days.  I had to sleep sometime. And Some question were already answered, I get tired of repeating myself.


I thought the Dolly questions were quite prudent in trying to understand the reasoning why cloning would, or would not fail. It's a bit hard to follow you when you just point at God for answers.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:24 AM

View PostOmnaka, on 22 February 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

I thought I did pretty good answering "The most prudent questions". Most of this thread was created in about three days.  I had to sleep sometime. And Some question were already answered, I get tired of repeating myself.


I have answered this quite a few times on this thread. Yes, Heavenly Father is the source for Most Of what I shared. Plus, I have been to the spiurit world and seen The bees and ants spirits for myself. as far as the comment about growing meat for implants, thats fine, it's not a living breathing human clone. it would not have the freewill That Human spirits enjoy, it's spirit would be of Father and Mother only (Begotten) Its spirit (The meat) atoms would stay stable out of unconditional love for Father. Again it's not a human clone and Father says he will not put a spirit inside of one (A full human Clone). I will check back every once in a while to see if there are any pertinent questions that I can answer.

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The thing about what you say here is that no one can either prove or disprove it. Also what is the difference about a soul of an animal and that of a human (also an animal but you get what I mean). Are our souls considered more superior? Do souls then have a class system? Dolly the sheep was cloned and seems to be doing fine.

Also the concept of soul here I am not sure what you mean. In an episode of Supernatural I watched one of the protagonists, Sam, did not have a soul for a period of time. He was still alive and moving, he just wasn't himself if you know what I mean. He had been severed from all emotional and moral feelings. So by this concept the clones would just be walking pieces of meat with no emotional or moral understanding of anything. Therefore how could it be wrong to harvest them?


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:57 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 23 February 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

The thing about what you say here is that no one can either prove or disprove it. Also what is the difference about a soul of an animal and that of a human (also an animal but you get what I mean). Are our souls considered more superior? Do souls then have a class system? Dolly the sheep was cloned and seems to be doing fine.

Also the concept of soul here I am not sure what you mean. In an episode of Supernatural I watched one of the protagonists, Sam, did not have a soul for a period of time. He was still alive and moving, he just wasn't himself if you know what I mean. He had been severed from all emotional and moral feelings. So by this concept the clones would just be walking pieces of meat with no emotional or moral understanding of anything. Therefore how could it be wrong to harvest them?
The spirits inside animals are of Heavenly Father and Mother (God) They love god unconditionally as God loves them unconditionally. The spirit in man is also of god and God loves them unconditionally, but man has freewill, and does not always love unconditionally. The proof is there are no human clones. Been 4 years since I started this thread, still no Human clones.
When The spirit enters the body, togeather they make a soul. The spirit esentially runs the body and all it's systems needed for Life in the Physical world. No spirit. no life. There are many Moral and ethical reasons which have been pointed out in this thread for not doing it. Heavenly Father Knows them too, and will not allow it to happen. Yes God has freewill also. this is his world. If scientis can grow A limb or Heart or body part w/ out making a complete Human to experiment on and part out, more power to em, but No Full human clone will ever Live. So sayeth Heavenly Father, and I believe him. Since everything in the physical is made up of Fathers spirit, even the leg w/ no body that is grown has spirit. but no freewill and is content Just being a leg.
Animals were created as food and comfortors to man Dolly the sheeep did not mind being a clone. and would not be parted out for her Vital organs to be sold to the highest bidders.
The freewill in Man does not involve being owned by a corporation, that employs a bunch of scientists, that can and would do what ever they want with their property (Their freewill) So God just nipped it in the budd, by not putting a spirit in their Concept.

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Edited by Omnaka, 24 February 2012 - 08:36 AM.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:03 AM

Thankfully biology doesn't support such nonsense.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:31 PM

View PostOrcseeker, on 23 February 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Are our souls considered more superior? Do souls then have a class system? Dolly the sheep was cloned and seems to be doing fine.

Didn't Dolly die in 2003?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:48 AM

View PostOmnaka, on 24 February 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

The spirits inside animals are of Heavenly Father and Mother (God) They love god unconditionally as God loves them unconditionally. The spirit in man is also of god and God loves them unconditionally, but man has freewill, and does not always love unconditionally. The proof is there are no human clones. Been 4 years since I started this thread, still no Human clones.
When The spirit enters the body, togeather they make a soul. The spirit esentially runs the body and all it's systems needed for Life in the Physical world. No spirit. no life. There are many Moral and ethical reasons which have been pointed out in this thread for not doing it. Heavenly Father Knows them too, and will not allow it to happen. Yes God has freewill also. this is his world. If scientis can grow A limb or Heart or body part w/ out making a complete Human to experiment on and part out, more power to em, but No Full human clone will ever Live. So sayeth Heavenly Father, and I believe him. Since everything in the physical is made up of Fathers spirit, even the leg w/ no body that is grown has spirit. but no freewill and is content Just being a leg.
Animals were created as food and comfortors to man Dolly the sheeep did not mind being a clone. and would not be parted out for her Vital organs to be sold to the highest bidders.
The freewill in Man does not involve being owned by a corporation, that employs a bunch of scientists, that can and would do what ever they want with their property (Their freewill) So God just nipped it in the budd, by not putting a spirit in their Concept.

Love Omnaka
I think the reason why there have been no KNOWN human clones due to the touchy subject it is. How can you speak on behalf of Dolly. You are also putting humans as the superior being with animals to serve us. I find that sort of thinking quite outdated by a few hundred years.

Who said the organs of clones were to be sold to the highest bidders? In the case they are not then what makes it right to clone Dolly (please don't speak on behalf of an animal) and not a clone with only "spirit" in which as I explained before would not completely be wrong as they wouldn't have any concept of emotions and morality


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:49 AM

View Postkarmakazi, on 24 February 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Didn't Dolly die in 2003?
Sorry I meant to say seemed fine. She died of lung cancer prevalent in her flock, most likely not connected with being cloned whatsoever.

Edited by Orcseeker, 25 February 2012 - 12:50 AM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:33 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 25 February 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

I think the reason why there have been no KNOWN human clones due to the touchy subject it is. How can you speak on behalf of Dolly. You are also putting humans as the superior being with animals to serve us. I find that sort of thinking quite outdated by a few hundred years.

Who said the organs of clones were to be sold to the highest bidders? In the case they are not then what makes it right to clone Dolly (please don't speak on behalf of an animal) and not a clone with only "spirit" in which as I explained before would not completely be wrong as they wouldn't have any concept of emotions and morality
This is why i shut down the other dolly posts, I did not start this to talk about Sheep cloning.  the thread is about human cloning. Just what do you think would happen to human clones should science learn how to make spirit which controls the human body? Not that it could happen. Father allowed Dolly to be born, No harm no foul, or Lamb, Lol. Just what do you think would happen to the clones should they be born and owned by Monsanto or Dow, or any # of big corporations. this is another thing that has already been discussed in this thread.
The thing is, (Bolded) there will never be a spirit in a fully functioning human clone, not only is it a volunteer job, to come down in the physical, but God won't allow it. Wanna grow a leg, or liver, Go a head Lol. Ok no pun intended, it just slipped out. There will never be proof of a human clone being born in a lab, or elsewhere and that will be the proof of what I shared. I already explained that Dollys parts are considdered Meat, and not priceless Organs to be sold to the highest bidder. And if a clone did exist, bet it would be a conscious entity stripped of all humanity, disenfranchised to it's core and sold like Dolly the sheep. Not good My friend. But you can always hope.
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PS, we all serve God and God serves us. the hierarchy is an illusion. unconditional love is Equall. Unlles you think God a dictater?

Edited by Omnaka, 25 February 2012 - 09:36 AM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:51 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 25 February 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

I think the reason why there have been no KNOWN human clones due to the touchy subject it is. How can you speak on behalf of Dolly. You are also putting humans as the superior being with animals to serve us. I find that sort of thinking quite outdated by a few hundred years.

Who said the organs of clones were to be sold to the highest bidders? In the case they are not then what makes it right to clone Dolly (please don't speak on behalf of an animal) and not a clone with only "spirit" in which as I explained before would not completely be wrong as they wouldn't have any concept of emotions and morality
Any spirit born as a human is a conscious entity, W/ feelings and the love Of God. Yes Down syndrome babies and altzihmer patients are conscious Spirits in a Body bag, You might not think they contain Emotions , Morality or even Conscious thought, or inteligence, and neither do many scientists. Hitler thought along these lines and made subject experiments out of them. It's a pandoras box, which if not contained Would disenfranchise spirits, who wish to come down to experience, Experience. The Spirits who come down in mortal form don't do it to be caged and experimented on. Would YOU? Believe that, Or not.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:09 AM

K  ORK,last time before I sleep,

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How can you speak on behalf of Dolly. You are also putting humans as the superior being with animals to serve us. I find that sort of thinking quite outdated by a few hundred years.
Find it however you like. I was just sharing something the father of you'r spirit and world, shared w/ me, The words to serve are outdated, but true anyway, why are you alive? maybe to serve your self? Paleeze! Go deeper bro. If God told you anything, you would kick your self for not sharing. Or maybe you would be afraid of ridicule Haha. Your Fragile Body only laststs a lil while, then you will know what I'm talking about. This is not a threat, but a promiss, that comes with eternal Life which by the way is not supported by The physical world, but the oposite.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:22 AM

View PostOmnaka, on 25 February 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

Find it however you like. I was just sharing something the father of you'r spirit and world, shared w/ me, The words to serve are outdated, but true anyway, why are you alive? maybe to serve your self? Paleeze! Go deeper bro. If God told you anything, you would kick your self for not sharing. Or maybe you would be afraid of ridicule Haha. Your Fragile Body only laststs a lil while, then you will know what I'm talking about. This is not a threat, but a promiss, that comes with eternal Life which by the way is not supported by The physical world, but the oposite.
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Maybe you should to be sharing this with a psychiatrist? They could help you.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:28 AM

View PostOmnaka, on 25 February 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

This is why i shut down the other dolly posts, I did not start this to talk about Sheep cloning.  the thread is about human cloning. Just what do you think would happen to human clones should science learn how to make spirit which controls the human body? Not that it could happen. Father allowed Dolly to be born, No harm no foul, or Lamb, Lol. Just what do you think would happen to the clones should they be born and owned by Monsanto or Dow, or any # of big corporations. this is another thing that has already been discussed in this thread.
The thing is, (Bolded) there will never be a spirit in a fully functioning human clone, not only is it a volunteer job, to come down in the physical, but God won't allow it. Wanna grow a leg, or liver, Go a head Lol. Ok no pun intended, it just slipped out. There will never be proof of a human clone being born in a lab, or elsewhere and that will be the proof of what I shared. I already explained that Dollys parts are considdered Meat, and not priceless Organs to be sold to the highest bidder. And if a clone did exist, bet it would be a conscious entity stripped of all humanity, disenfranchised to it's core and sold like Dolly the sheep. Not good My friend. But you can always hope.
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PS, we all serve God and God serves us. the hierarchy is an illusion. unconditional love is Equall. Unlles you think God a dictater?
You've dodged my question. What if these clones aren't sold to the highest bidder and are in fact in place for people who would die if they do not receive a replacement organ? Where one clone could save several lives. Regardless, in my mind the clone would not be void of all human characteristics and would be like any other human. But as someone posted there is an organ printer out there so I don't see the need for clones (unless it is a cheaper method then it could be adopted) so if that works fine then if clones are produced it would be for something else.

Edited by Orcseeker, 26 February 2012 - 12:47 AM.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:37 AM

View PostOmnaka, on 25 February 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Any spirit born as a human is a conscious entity, W/ feelings and the love Of God. Yes Down syndrome babies and altzihmer patients are conscious Spirits in a Body bag, You might not think they contain Emotions , Morality or even Conscious thought, or inteligence, and neither do many scientists. Hitler thought along these lines and made subject experiments out of them. It's a pandoras box, which if not contained Would disenfranchise spirits, who wish to come down to experience, Experience. The Spirits who come down in mortal form don't do it to be caged and experimented on. Would YOU? Believe that, Or not.
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You are implying that all other animals and living things aren't? That's very decartes of you. You seem to imply just like Descartes that animals are just living automatons. You say animals were made for food and comfort to man and that "Dolly did not mind being a clone".

I have no prior memory of being a "spirit" so I can't comment on what I would do in that situation.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:43 AM

View PostOmnaka, on 25 February 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

K  ORK,last time before I sleep,


Find it however you like. I was just sharing something the father of you'r spirit and world, shared w/ me, The words to serve are outdated, but true anyway, why are you alive? maybe to serve your self? Paleeze! Go deeper bro. If God told you anything, you would kick your self for not sharing. Or maybe you would be afraid of ridicule Haha. Your Fragile Body only laststs a lil while, then you will know what I'm talking about. This is not a threat, but a promiss, that comes with eternal Life which by the way is not supported by The physical world, but the oposite.
NO FEAR!
Love Omnaka.
I wasn't saying the word to "serve" was outdated but moreso the mindset. God has never told me anything because the only reason I have even heard about him is from people like you.

This may be off topic but what's the great desperation you have for eternal life? You are trying to use scare tactics to make me believe? If I did so due to fear I would not be a true believer anyway. I can't do that, sorry, it's in my nature. If I am subject to eternal damnation in hell because I can't believe in something for reasons stated above then that's not right.





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