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#31    The Skeptic Eric Raven

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 04:15 PM

darkbreed on Jan 17 2008, 09:12 PM, said:

unfortunately I don't have that privilege like some of you seem to do who are posting almos every minute instead of being out doing something sensible such as work or studies. I guess you are lucky to have such time on your hands that you can spend all day sitting here criticizing and complaining in front of your computers instead of doing something useful.

But, unlike many others here, I'm a busy person with lots of work and things to do in my daily work, so the time I have to do such things are limited to specific periods now and then, thus why I'm frequently away for months without being active in here.

I actually make my living of traveling the world and researching various mysteries, both ancient and present, and try to find the connection between things, so I'm often away for longer periods due to that among other things.

But, as I see it now, I should be able to conduct an experiment such as outlined above within the next few coming weeks.

So just be patient and wait until I have the time, allright.

cheers

Kind of pissy post. I have a life. I am in real estate. So during the day in between phone calls, emails, and showings I always have UM up. I also have a family with 2 kids. I gurantee I have you beat on being busy, but I could make time to prove myself if I had supposed powers.

By the way, you seem to be on here quite a bit.

Edited by Eric Raven The Skeptic, 18 January 2008 - 04:17 PM.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 06:18 PM

Eric Raven The Skeptic on Jan 18 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

Kind of pissy post. I have a life. I am in real estate. So during the day in between phone calls, emails, and showings I always have UM up. I also have a family with 2 kids. I gurantee I have you beat on being busy, but I could make time to prove myself if I had supposed powers.

By the way, you seem to be on here quite a bit.


Check the logs (if you have access to them) and see how "often" I am around.

I've been here for some days now, like a week. Last time was some month ago or so.

Actually check my posting history http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...;hl=&st=150

And you will se I'm not much around at all, it goes weeks and months between each time I have the opportunity to take some time to get around here as I travel a lot and do other work that keeps me away from the computer  for longer periods of time.

And as I mentioned soon I have to go out travel again, maybe I have a month on me to prepare and get ready for the work I'll be doing, and then I'll be away for at least a month again.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 06:34 PM

SteveLove on Jan 18 2008, 03:37 AM, said:

I look forward to the challenge. It will be amusing. It's interesting that you won't do a test like this for a professor of science. Yet need to show your ability over forums. I think it is because you are afraid you will fail  no.gif

How do you make a living that way?


If I was afraid I would fail I would not even offer to do any tests here. Besides I am currently in a country where I dont speak much of the local language as I travel around a lot due to my research in various fields. So it would be hard to both find such a person, as well as have the time to do those kind of things.

And I make a living that way partially by institutions supporting my organizations and my work, partially from private people who help fund the work, partially from magic and spiritual practices that assures me fortune and wealth, and partially from working a little on the side as a translator to gain extra funds, which is great as I work very little and gain a lot of money and have my own working hours, being my own boss, and a lot of free time on my hands to put into my main research, studies and field work which leads me around the world to interesting places.

For the moment I'm doing a south american project, which will take some time, as here is a lot of things worth studying and doing more research on. I do anthropological work, archaeological, historical, occult/spiritual/paranormal research among other things. And I guess you in general can call me an explorer and adventurer too, so my work is my hobby and the most important thing of my life that I totally dedicate myself to.

Also I'm working on a series of book to present my research and work that has been done for the last decade or so, as well as being involved with some documentary projects that are scheduled to get started later this year or next year, depending on various factors.

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Posted 18 January 2008 - 06:47 PM

darkbreed on Jan 18 2008, 12:18 PM, said:

Check the logs (if you have access to them) and see how "often" I am around.

I've been here for some days now, like a week. Last time was some month ago or so.

Actually check my posting history http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...;hl=&st=150

And you will se I'm not much around at all, it goes weeks and months between each time I have the opportunity to take some time to get around here as I travel a lot and do other work that keeps me away from the computer  for longer periods of time.

And as I mentioned soon I have to go out travel again, maybe I have a month on me to prepare and get ready for the work I'll be doing, and then I'll be away for at least a month again.

We will be waiting with baited breath for your testing. Peace. original.gif

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 03:18 PM

Well Skeptic, it looks like you're still waiting. The last time Psychicspy commented on this story was in January 2008.

I've seen this before. Psychic phenomenon has been debunked by scientists so consistently that there is one group lead by John Randi offering a cool $1,000,000 to anyone able to prove any psychic phenomenon that stands up to scientific scrutiny. People like the mentalist Derren Brown who can do "psychic" tricks even better than the charlatans who claim it's real and he maintains it's all just illusion and shows how he performs them quite often. There are other groups all over the place offering huge sums of money to have someone, anyone prove psychic phenomenon. These prizes go on year after year uncollected because nobody can prove psychic powers exist in reality. That doesn't mean there aren't clever tricks. Look up the following for example:

http://boingboing.ne...-scams-der.html
http://www.skepdic.com/randi.html
http://listverse.com...hic-debunkings/


I could go on forever with links proving the trickery.

That's not to say there isn't a spiritual realm. I believe there is, but it never crosses into the physical realm enough to be proven. Anyone who dabbles in the occult, demonology, and so-forth (like psychicspy) are losing their souls to the Devil. The late Psychiatrist M. Scott Peck wrote about this and called them the "People of the Lie." People who dwell in the darkness need to repent of their sorceries and turn towards the truth, or the same spirit that possesses them in this life will have power over them in the afterlife.


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Posted 07 August 2010 - 02:57 PM

View PostFnordguy, on 05 August 2010 - 03:18 PM, said:

Well Skeptic, it looks like you're still waiting. The last time Psychicspy commented on this story was in January 2008.

I've seen this before. Psychic phenomenon has been debunked by scientists so consistently that there is one group lead by John Randi offering a cool $1,000,000 to anyone able to prove any psychic phenomenon that stands up to scientific scrutiny. People like the mentalist Derren Brown who can do "psychic" tricks even better than the charlatans who claim it's real and he maintains it's all just illusion and shows how he performs them quite often. There are other groups all over the place offering huge sums of money to have someone, anyone prove psychic phenomenon. These prizes go on year after year uncollected because nobody can prove psychic powers exist in reality. That doesn't mean there aren't clever tricks. Look up the following for example:

http://boingboing.ne...-scams-der.html
http://www.skepdic.com/randi.html
http://listverse.com...hic-debunkings/


I could go on forever with links proving the trickery.

That's not to say there isn't a spiritual realm. I believe there is, but it never crosses into the physical realm enough to be proven. Anyone who dabbles in the occult, demonology, and so-forth (like psychicspy) are losing their souls to the Devil. The late Psychiatrist M. Scott Peck wrote about this and called them the "People of the Lie." People who dwell in the darkness need to repent of their sorceries and turn towards the truth, or the same spirit that possesses them in this life will have power over them in the afterlife.
I think I will be waiting forever.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 12:26 AM

im still a beginner in this but um people that are commenting and saying that this stuff is fake and crap like that need to shut up noone actually know if its real or not because if we did there wouldnt be so many people thinking different things so think what you like but dont be like trying to make people feel bad


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Posted 08 November 2010 - 01:40 AM

How the mighty have fallen, when taking into consideration that they now are supported by an admired Magician....The Amazing Randi is even more amazing because he was able to trick skeptics into believing he is correct...OK so someone can imitate walking on water and make it look real, that does not mean that someone actually was able to walk on water...The idea that magic can replicate a psi event is not evidence that actual psi incidents are not valid...what do you know about the amazing Randi’s experience with indigenous cultures???

Majicians in order to make money and so what else is new??

Edited by Virtual Particle, 08 November 2010 - 02:15 AM.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 10:05 AM

His ability is fake or real is not really important. What's important is : has he helped and successfully cured lots of patients?


And well said Virtual Particle  :tu: Maybe he really does have electrical energy inside his body without the need of a battery. Events could have the same effect without having the same cause.

Edited by FlyingAngel, 08 November 2010 - 10:27 AM.


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Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:22 AM

It falls under the category of being rare but it does happen. As the below provides, at least two other people in the world are involved in research....the question more or less, today is not if...but how..

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Jose’s talent has come to the attention of researchers at the University of Puerto Rico. They are impressed by a display of his skills and ask him to return in a week for further tests. In the meantime, Jose seeks out medical advice as to his condition. He agrees to have an electrocardiogram test to see if his exposure to electricity has caused him any lasting damage. Jose is nervous about the results, as doctors have warned him to stop his risky activities in the past. Fortunately, the exam shows his heart is functioning normally.

Elsewhere, in Brighton, a woman claims that she too has unusual electrical abilities. Debbie says that her body can randomly disrupt electrical appliances, from hairdryers to streetlights. “When I’m in the appropriate frame of mind, things around me blow up,” she says. “The only warning I have is a nanosecond beforehand, when I get a funny sort of tingly feeling.” Despite her reluctance to fly – for fear of what might happen to the electrics on the plane – Debbie agrees to go on holiday. No sooner has she arrived, however, than her hotel suffers a mysterious blackout. Is this connected to her alleged ability?

Scientists at UCL are keen to investigate Debbie’s claims. They connect her to an oscilloscope and try to provoke her ability. Debbie is shown footage of Jose performing his tricks, on the basis that it might trigger her own powers. Remarkably, the level of electrical current in Debbie’s body rises in time with the scenes on the screen, reaching three times the normal level. Can researchers explain this result?

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Edited by Virtual Particle, 09 November 2010 - 01:23 AM.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 03:27 AM

Skeptics the obvious point is that you have nothing to support your position....John Chang has not been debunked although you have....

Edited by Virtual Particle, 09 November 2010 - 03:33 AM.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 04:05 AM

View Postdarkbreed, on 18 January 2008 - 06:34 PM, said:

QUOTE (SteveLove @ Jan 18 2008, 03:37 AM) I look forward to the challenge. It will be amusing. It's interesting that you won't do a test like this for a professor of science. Yet need to show your ability over forums. I think it is because you are afraid you will fail  Posted Image

How do you make a living that way?

If I was afraid I would fail I would not even offer to do any tests here. Besides I am currently in a country where I dont speak much of the local language as I travel around a lot due to my research in various fields. So it would be hard to both find such a person, as well as have the time to do those kind of things.

And I make a living that way partially by institutions supporting my organizations and my work, partially from private people who help fund the work, partially from magic and spiritual practices that assures me fortune and wealth, and partially from working a little on the side as a translator to gain extra funds, which is great as I work very little and gain a lot of money and have my own working hours, being my own boss, and a lot of free time on my hands to put into my main research, studies and field work which leads me around the world to interesting places.

For the moment I'm doing a south american project, which will take some time, as here is a lot of things worth studying and doing more research on. I do anthropological work, archaeological, historical, occult/spiritual/paranormal research among other things. And I guess you in general can call me an explorer and adventurer too, so my work is my hobby and the most important thing of my life that I totally dedicate myself to.

Also I'm working on a series of book to present my research and work that has been done for the last decade or so, as well as being involved with some documentary projects that are scheduled to get started later this year or next year, depending on various factors.

Cheers.



Ok , your claims.....You have at least 4 things to make you 1 million dollars $$ on the Randi Challenge , and if you can even do one of them , that money is yours......Can you tell me what is stopping you from trying?

Oh , and about the " no touch knockout".......LOL





Another great "Chi" epic fail....





There is just a start of my  " proof "......

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 04:24 AM

Sakari states...

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Can you tell me what is stopping you from trying?

The Amazing Randi's Challenge ended earlier this year.....

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 04:39 AM

View PostVirtual Particle, on 09 November 2010 - 04:24 AM, said:

Sakari states...


The Amazing Randi's Challenge ended earlier this year.....

Well that just sucks......

Ok , then how about any and or all of these :)

here are others offering prizes to anyone who can demonstrate psychic powers. After collecting the million dollars from Randi, successful psychics might go to India and contact B. Premanandwho will pay Rs. 100,000 "to any person or persons who will demonstrate any psychic, supernatural of paranormal ability of any kind under satisfactory observing conditions." Also, "Prabir Ghoshwill pay Rs. 20,00,000* to anyone who claims to possess supernatural power of any kind and proves the same without resorting to any trick in the location specified by Prabir Ghosh."The Australian Skeptics offer $100,000 (Australian), $80,000 for the psychic and $20,000 for anyone "who nominates a person who successfully completes the Australian Skeptics Challenge." If you nominate yourself, and are successful, you get the whole hundred grand.The Association for Skeptical Inquiry (ASKE), a U.K. skeptic organization, offers 12,000 for proof of psychic powers.The Independent Investigations Group "offers a $50,000 prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event."The North Texas Skeptics offer $12,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic or paranormal power or ability under scientifically valid observing conditions.The Quebec Skeptics offer $10,000 to any astrologer who can demonstrate her craft according in a formal scientific experiment.The Tampa Bay Skeptics offer $1,000 to anyone able to demonstrate any paranormal phenomenon under mutually agreed-upon observing conditions.A group in New Zealand calling itself "Immortality" is offering a prize of $NZ2,000,000 to anyone "who can display an actual paranormal ability, under controlled conditions." One million goes to the successful applicant and one million to the charity of his or her choice.



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Posted 09 November 2010 - 04:57 AM

To most indigenous mystics your money is considered evil....that relates to years of experience...the problem with these challenges are the same....not interested in your money...

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