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#61    Evangium

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 09:12 AM

Not wanting to offend anyone here, but I think Badeskov's onto something with the specialisation of pilots.  When it comes to other aircraft, there's not many people who could do better at identification (the only exception might be air defense operators).  However, anything that's not an aircraft, I'm sure there's probably a wide spread in the results.  
Case in point, the Blue on Blue contacts in the first Gulf war due to ground attack pilots who couldn't identify friendly ground vehicles from the enemy's.  
To me, as someone who's been trained to identify a wide range of armoured and soft skinned vehicles, that's almost incomprehensible.  
But, having said that, there's only a few aircraft I could positively identify (and even then I'd need more than a brief glimpse).

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 09:15 AM

badeskov on Feb 10 2008, 10:11 AM, said:

In an old report, which has literally been superceeded by new discoveries. Now we know of atmospheric events doing exactly what UFOs have been described to be doing.


It really doesn't make any difference since artificial objects were described by the pilot, not plasmas. Observe!

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case287.htm

Weeks later, other commercial and miilitary aircraft encountered the same object. The military pilot then asked ground controllers about the JAL incident.

So you see, no natural phenomena of any kind was responsible for the JAL, and other incidents that followed. Check it out.


http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3817/jal747cfg9.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvYmIdhUpM

Edited by skyeagle409, 10 February 2008 - 09:27 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 09:16 AM

i would have to say we need to analyze the trace cases.   for there to be trace cases there must be something physical coming and going here either from here on earth or beyond.   those are probably our best shot at a answer.


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Posted 10 February 2008 - 09:23 AM

skyeagle409 on Feb 8 2008, 06:59 PM, said:

No, they are not lying, and one of the reasons is, there are lots reliable electronic data that backs their accounts. Secondly, it is not likely that commercial and military pilots are going to lie about their encounters, and in fact, most encounters are not even reported. In some cases, whole aircrews and passengers were part of those aerial UFO encounters, which was confirmed by radar and ground observers. (Bariloche, 1995).

And once again, some encounters took place to within a space of less than a few hundred meters in broad daylight where visual identifications of the objects were made. At such close proximity, there is no way a 'saucer' is going to be confused as some natural weather phenomenon or any conventional aircraft for that matter.




What about physical trace evidence from UFO landing sites where lab technicians were unable to duplicate the findings in the field in their own labs? Why are such cases found to have no earthly explanation and listed as unknown?


yeah, and wat about the Bermuda Triangle and such..  Besides, my brother had an experience when he was little relating to aliens and I was in it, so because of that I definitely think there must be something not humanlike in this world... and most likely there is such a thing as aliens, 'cuz if there weren't any then y would ppl jsut create something like that and make up stories about it? It'd be a waste of time and pointless, I really don't think ppl would be that stupid.. <.< And the universe is a huge and endless place so why wouldn't there be more life and more things to it than jsut us which are like a tiny ant compare to all the things there must be to it..


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Posted 10 February 2008 - 09:26 AM

skyeagle409 on Feb 10 2008, 01:15 AM, said:

It really doens't make any difference since artificial objects were described by the pilot, not plasmas. Observe!

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case287.htm

Weeks later, other commercial and miilitary aircraft encountered the same object. The military pilot then asked ground controllers about the JAL incident.

So you see, no natural phenomena of any kind was responsible for the JAL, and other incidents that followed. Check it out.


http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3817/jal747cfg9.png


Please tell me how I can trust eye witness reports when we have just seen that pilots have a 90% identificaction micsonception rate?

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 09:30 AM

cosmos_girl on Feb 10 2008, 10:23 AM, said:

yeah, and wat about the Bermuda Triangle and such..  Besides, my brother had an experience when he was little relating to aliens and I was in it, so because of that I definitely think there must be something not humanlike in this world... and most likely there is such a thing as aliens, 'cuz if there weren't any then y would ppl jsut create something like that and make up stories about it? It'd be a waste of time and pointless, I really don't think ppl would be that stupid.. <.< And the universe is a huge and endless place so why wouldn't there be more life and more things to it than jsut us which are like a tiny ant compare to all the things there must be to it..



I had my own saucer sighting in 1968.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 09:34 AM

badeskov on Feb 10 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

Please tell me how I can trust eye witness reports when we have just seen that pilots have a 90% identificaction micsonception rate?


Pilots are experts at what they see and identify  in the skies as evident in the communications where pilots are asked to identify a B-757 from a B-737 and other aircraft in the skies. Ground controllers normally ask pilots to identify and pick out a certain aircraft from a number of other aircraft in the local airspace.

For an example, a pilot must be able to differentiate between a Cessna 172 and a Cessna Skymaster at some distance from his own aircraft, or even an F-16 from an T-38. Not able to do so in a timely manner when requested from ground controllers could spell disaster if the pilot can't find that particular aircraft that ground controller identified as heading directly for his aircraft.

In the case of JAL, flight 1628, ground-based and airborne radars confirmed their sightings and the radar contacts were not indicative of natural phenomena, which is why it remains an unknown case to this very day.

Edited by skyeagle409, 10 February 2008 - 09:47 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 09:55 AM

Evangium on Feb 10 2008, 10:12 AM, said:

Not wanting to offend anyone here, but I think Badeskov's onto something with the specialisation of pilots.  When it comes to other aircraft, there's not many people who could do better at identification (the only exception might be air defense operators).  However, anything that's not an aircraft, I'm sure there's probably a wide spread in the results.  
Case in point, the Blue on Blue contacts in the first Gulf war due to ground attack pilots who couldn't identify friendly ground vehicles from the enemy's.  
To me, as someone who's been trained to identify a wide range of armoured and soft skinned vehicles, that's almost incomprehensible.  
But, having said that, there's only a few aircraft I could positively identify (and even then I'd need more than a brief glimpse).


Actually, many ground vehicle have similarities and our allies are known to use the same kind of equipment as the enemy. The French were going against enemy aircaft that were built by their own country.

On the another note, pilots are well-known for their ability to drop 2000 bombs down three-foot shafts on top of a particular building amongst many others spread out in the middle of a large city, and do so from above 20,000 feet at night.

I very sure that Iraqi ground vehicles and aircraft were not the result of plasmas before they were struck.

Edited by skyeagle409, 10 February 2008 - 10:09 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 10:39 AM

skyeagle409 on Feb 10 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

Actually, many ground vehicle have similarities and our allies are known to use the same kind of equipment as the enemy. The French were going against enemy aircaft that were built by their own country.

On the another note, pilots are well-known for their ability to drop 2000 bombs down three-foot shafts on top of a particular building amongst many others spread out in the middle of a large city, and do so from above 20,000 feet at night.

I very sure that Iraqi ground vehicles and aircraft were not the result of plasmas before they were struck.

I think you're taking me a little out of context, Sky.  Hunting and hiding from armoured vehicles was my bread and butter for many years.  The same principles that apply for differentiating one aircraft, and its varients, from another apply. And the first gulf war, the bulk of the Iraqi vehicles were Soviet derivitives.  Not to belittle the skills of a fighter pilot (after all not everyone has the aptitude to be trusted with a vehicle whose dollar value is in the double digit millions) and I'm sure there are other factors to consider (including the apparent lack of combat experience), but-
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The A vehicles in question were Scimitar APC's.  To the untrained, the Scimitar could be mistaken for a BMP-1 or 2.  To me, that's like saying a Volkswagon Beetle looks like a Ford Focus.
Again I want to stress that I'm not belittling the skills of the pilot, but unfortunately these guys aren't immune from human error.

edit:warrior to scimitar.  don't know why i was thinking of warriors hmm.gif Probably due to a similar incident from GW1

Edited by Evangium, 10 February 2008 - 10:45 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 11:08 AM

How can a UFO sighting be terrestrial man made if the sighting was before the time that man knew how to fly?

The earliest known report of a UFO sighting was by Julius Obsequens, a Roman writer, in 100 B.C.. He claimed to have seen "things like ships" in the sky over Italy.

I cannot prove that UFO's are not of this earth, nor can I prove that they are. We lack the technology to investigate them properly as civilians.

Edited by cpjason, 10 February 2008 - 11:12 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 11:53 AM

hi all, i downloaded an interesting documentary the other day called ancient aliens, again its not proof of any kind but makes the so called evidence in history including the bible accounts very convincing, maybe a little cheesy but a good watch


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Posted 10 February 2008 - 03:48 PM

Evangium on Feb 10 2008, 11:39 AM, said:

I think you're taking me a little out of context, Sky.  Hunting and hiding from armoured vehicles was my bread and butter for many years.  The same principles that apply for differentiating one aircraft, and its varients, from another apply. And the first gulf war, the bulk of the Iraqi vehicles were Soviet derivitives.  Not to belittle the skills of a fighter pilot (after all not everyone has the aptitude to be trusted with a vehicle whose dollar value is in the double digit millions) and I'm sure there are other factors to consider (including the apparent lack of combat experience), but-
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The A vehicles in question were Scimitar APC's.  To the untrained, the Scimitar could be mistaken for a BMP-1 or 2.  To me, that's like saying a Volkswagon Beetle looks like a Ford Focus.
Again I want to stress that I'm not belittling the skills of the pilot, but unfortunately these guys aren't immune from human error.

edit:warrior to scimitar.  don't know why i was thinking of warriors hmm.gif Probably due to a similar incident from GW1


Human error is anywhere, but despite what he has said, pilots must possess excellent visual skills and when they report saucer-shaped vehicles in close proximity of their aircraft, then it is safe to say that is what they saw.

It was fairly obvious in the investigative reports that the JAL incident had nothing to do with plasmas, nor did any of the UFO case files in question. In many cases, meteorological conditions were checked and found by investigators to not have been a factor at all.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 07:37 PM

badeskov on Feb 10 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

Please tell me how I can trust eye witness reports when we have just seen that pilots have a 90% identificaction micsonception rate?

Cheers,
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90% indenfication misconception rate? At night or what?
Isn't a bit too high? How are they able to realize the landing plane or other wings out there?
For me this is also the ability to realize things correctly.
Are they allowed to fly if they are predestined for misindentifying things more often?
But understand me correct, I only ask because I am interested, I do not doubt any of your previous arguments.


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Posted 10 February 2008 - 08:12 PM

Hello I believe in the BIBLE as historic Fact and I don t know how you call it a 2000 year old piece of fiction there is more proof that the Bible is real then not also by what knowledge do you quote such statements ??? UFO S and ET S are well explained in the Bible maybe if you read it you would understand everything about ET S and about how they bring in the end of the world and the return of CHRIST -- they have been here since the beginning  of mankind and because of our refusal to believe they have been destroying us since and as the Bible says will be our final destruction they control everything from the government  to what we watch on TV also our news and are the author of many religions



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Posted 10 February 2008 - 08:19 PM

metricmaker on Feb 10 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

90% indenfication misconception rate? At night or what?
Isn't a bit too high? How are they able to realize the landing plane or other wings out there?
For me this is also the ability to realize things correctly.
Are they allowed to fly if they are predestined for misindentifying things more often?
But understand me correct, I only ask because I am interested, I do not doubt any of your previous arguments.


Hi Metric,

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my explanation. Pilots actually have an incredibly high rate of correct identifications when identifying other aircraft and such. The problem is that their high level of training negatively impacts their abilities to identify something they do not know. The will try to put whatever they see into a known frame of reference by instinct, and thus a pulsing light suddenly becomes a navigation light, something that might have a resemblance to metal is suddenly metallic and so on. It is a testiment to their skills, which unfortunately make pilots rather poor eye witness.

Cheers,
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