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Dinosaurs and birds, theories and evidence


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#1    Naveed

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 05:17 AM

Due to the topic on the four-winged dinosaur in main news section, and everyone talking about it, I figured I'd start this up for a longer convo on the subject.

I'd like to start by providing some links to info on bird-like dinosaurs:
Coelurosauria line of therapods

Sinornithosaurus, a raptor like theropod found with feathery integument.

Deinonychosauria, family tree that includes species like Utahraptor, and Velociraptor.

Avialae family tree, includes Archeaopteryx.

ornithurae, modern day bird like species, but retaining teeth.


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Posted 09 February 2004 - 06:16 AM

its not like there was anything to debate in the first place:P


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Posted 09 February 2004 - 03:12 PM

true true

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 05:18 PM

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 08:28 PM

lol...well the reason for that was to avoid getting into big fights about evolution and creation. Oh well.  


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Posted 09 February 2004 - 08:33 PM

there were bird like dinosaurs at one point . big deal .  

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 11:31 PM

I wonder if the Arizona devil is a survivor of this exotic group...


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Posted 10 February 2004 - 12:54 AM

and el chupacabra as well....

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 06:09 AM

I thought we'd agreed that el Chupa was "the beast that is and is not" tongue.gif  

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 12:28 PM

My son and I agree, that by the photos we've seen of El Chupa Cabra, that El Chupa is "Zaboomafoo"! w00t.gif  


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Posted 10 February 2004 - 01:26 PM

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there were bird like dinosaurs at one point . big deal .


well one could say that its evidence of macro-evolution, which is quite a big deal, especially when allot of creationist/intelligent design proponents keep saying there is no evidence of macro-evolution, no transitionals so they say


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Posted 10 February 2004 - 04:56 PM

Creationist will never find any transitional fossil, on the other hand, evolutionist will find that all fossils are transitional. We have extensive fossil record of the horse line, from prehistoric Eohippus to modern Equus. Evolutionists say that it is an evidence of macroevolution, but creationists argue that Eohippus and Eqqus are "the same kind of animal." Eohippus looks more like a cat rather than a horse.

About the bird, I agree that it is el chupacabra.  whistling2.gif  


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Posted 10 February 2004 - 08:46 PM

Thats because creationists look for a species change, i.e. dinosaur straight to a bird, or a ape straight to a human. Thats what they believe macro-evolution is and thats why they never find "transitional forms". Yet transitional forms appear all the time in the fossil record as such things as dinosaurs with feathers, and the horse example you stated penguin.

Here are some questions I asked the people at Trueauthority.com:

Naveed (me  grin2.gif ):
QUOTE
Why does your site appear to be very biased when you claim not to be in
your
research?  Have you looked at some of the recent finds from China
concerning
species of dinosaur such as Sinosauropteryx, or Sinornithosaurus, which
in
my opinion give great support to the "Birds evolved from dinosaurs"
debate?


The reply I received after waiting weeks for it:
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Naveed,

Thank you for your interest in our website.  Forgive us in making our
reply
so delayed.  We make no secret of our positions and worldviews.  I
believe
what you are referring to is a quote from the ABOUT section of our
site:
"In such light, the goal of TrueAuthority.com is this:  For each and
every
visitor here to read articles of logic, consistency, and balance,
promoting
neither false evidence for creation nor false evidence for evolution."

How are we presenting false evidence?  As I mentioned we do not hide
how we
interpret evidence.

About the 'finds' in China... I personally have not heard of these, but
I
would ask you, what is your opinion?  How to they support
macro-evolution?
Don't just regurgitate what some science journal publishes, tell me why
you
are convinced.

Regards,

TrueAuthority.com


Please note I have removed the name of the person who replied to me just so I won't possibly make them mad.

Seems to me he gave me the run around a bit and then didn't even bother to look up the dinosaurs I mentioned. Yet there is an article about how dinosaurs didn't evolve into birds on that site which doesn't even consider any type of modern evidence. Basically, they ignore evidence that is against them instead of trying to make it support their theory.


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Posted 11 February 2004 - 04:34 AM

I have said this before......you will never find a fossil in a transitional form in the way creationists said will prove evolution: like a fish with legs.

There will NEVER be a fish with legs because by the time a fish developed legs, the rest of its body will have also changed accordingly. By then it is no longer a fish.



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Posted 12 February 2004 - 01:57 AM

Interesting links





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