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#1    schadeaux

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 08:46 PM

Armor From Home

Amid Shortage of Gear, Some U.S. Soldiers
Must Equip Themselves

By Keith Garvin

W A S H I N G T O N, Feb. 7 — Pene Palifka, a proud and protective mother,
worries about her son, Billy, a specialist with the National Guard deployed in
Iraq. She reads his letters home almost daily.

"I just can't wait for him to come home," she said. "We'll celebrate that day."

Concerned about her son's safety, Palifka recently spent $1,100 of her own money
on armored chest plates to protect him and others from enemy fire.

"[By] purchasing something for my son, then that means hopefully somewhere
down the line somebody else that's overseas will have adequate equipment," Pene
Palifka said.

It's become an almost routine practice for deploying troops and their families.

Despite efforts to produce more vests with the armored plates, the Pentagon says
there still aren't enough, especially among guardsmen and reservists. All troops
rotating out of Iraq are now being required to leave their vests behind so incoming
troops can use them.

Full Story at ABCNEWS.com

Comments by Daily Rotten:

[Then why don't you ask all these families where they buy their body armor?]

[The negligence here is dumbfounding. The Commander in Chief needs to equip
the troops or bring them home.]


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Posted 09 February 2004 - 09:06 PM

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 09:38 PM

I'm shocked to hear this.  We've had the same scandal over here.  A British soldier was ordered to give his armoured vest to another soldier because there weren't enough to go around. He was killed days later, after being hit where the vest would have been.

Simply put, our Defence Secretary is to blame for this brave man's death.  And by some miracle, this shameless, unrepentant cretin is still in a job.  

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 10:36 PM

I find the comments of both countries experiencing similar stories odd . Unfortuantely I can't open the link to the story to get a good look at it .( My owe so wonderfull browser is throwing a wobbly at the moment ) . I'd be a little suspicious that this is leading toward a drive to raise funds for the war .
  


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Posted 09 February 2004 - 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Kismit @ Feb 9 2004, 02:36 PM)
Unfortuantely I can't open the link to the story to get a good look at it

For Kismit, the rest of the story... original.gif


‘We … Buy It Ourselves’

Many active-duty troops also are spending money on other equipment.

One group of Marines due to leave for Iraq bought goggles, backpacks, magazine pouches and gloves. It's better than their issued equipment, they said, and worth their hard-earned cash.

"They gave us the stuff that we need, but we need more as well," Marine Sgt. Nick Medina told ABCNEWS last month. "So we go ahead and buy it ourselves."

Rep. John Larson, D-Conn., a member of the House Armed Services Committee, has introduced a bill calling for the government to repay the families of troops who buy their own gear.

"It's time to step up and do the right thing and reimburse all those individuals, who because of the care and concern that they have for our men and women overseas, their loved ones have gone into their pocket to assist them," Larson said.

Whether she gets reimbursed or not, Pene Palifka says the price she paid for her peace of mind was worth it.



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Posted 09 February 2004 - 10:58 PM

ahh thank you Shadeaux , your an Angel...   original.gif  


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Posted 10 February 2004 - 12:09 AM

Hi Cufflink

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Simply put, our Defence Secretary is to blame for this brave man's death.  And by some miracle, this shameless, unrepentant cretin is still in a job.


I kind of agree but disagree with you somewhat. Isn't the person to blame the person who told that man to hand over the vest in the first place ?  But the defence secretary does have alot to answer for! disgust.gif

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 12:41 AM

QUOTE (Lottie @ Feb 10 2004, 12:09 AM)
I kind of agree but disagree with you somewhat. Isn't the person to blame the person who told that man to hand over the vest in the first place ?  But the defence secretary does have alot to answer for! disgust.gif

I think it's a bit harsh to blame the soldier's commanding officer, Lottie.  The soldier in question was supposedly on safer duties than the man he gave the vest to, but unfortunately, is there such a thing as safe in a warzone?  In that great tradition of the British Army, his commanding officer was simply trying to make the best of the pitiful resources he had been given.

Geoff Hoon has one job.  To manage our armed forces.  And he failed in making sure our soldiers had enough basic kit to do the job.  I'm so angry with Hoon, who hasn't even had the decency to resign over this, even after meeting the man's widow.

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 01:00 AM

I'm angry and sad; I also just heard that our U.S. men carried their own body bags, too. disgust.gif  

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 03:50 AM

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 04:59 AM

I am defending the Pentagon.  I think the whole tilt of the
story is leaving out some large truth:

Most of the casualties in Iraq are not from snipers.  A bullet proof vest is
just that...bullet proof....sort of.   It will not keep you from being blown
up if you step on a land mine.  Our soldiers are given what they need to
do their job and they are doing it magnificently.  

BTW,  American soldiers
are being murdered in Bagdad, a city of over 5 million people, at the rate of
about 1 per day.  Average ordinary people, not putting themselves in harms
way, are being murdered at a rate of about 2 per day
in New York City, population 8 million.  

Just to keep everything in perspective........

*has an uncanny, almost sixth-sense feeling, that the  left is about to attack*

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 05:14 AM

S.C.

I heard this on CNN a week or so ago.Our men in Afghanistan had to carry their own body bags on them.

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 05:23 AM

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I heard this on CNN a week or so ago.Our men in Afghanistan had to carry their own body bags with them.


Babs, Dudette, I love ya wub.gif  but........who else is gonna carry them?

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 05:31 AM

I love ya wub.gif too, joc original.gif

I don't know... it made me really sad.

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 09:29 AM

I find it amazing the US is having these difficulties the concesus was that US troops were better paid and equiped I agree with Cufflink that Geoff Hoon is the man responsible, this government sent British troops into Afganistan without reliable weapons (they had problems in heat and sand) or communications equipment (lack of batteries for one). Officers have to make the best of impossible situations that's part of why they are given commands. Its just part of a growing list, I suppose the next time we go to war smoks and boots will be in short supply.  

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