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[Mario Dantas]

https://docs.google....wJvZQmCJnM/edit

[The_Spartan]

Mario, do you think that humans were around the time when the Pangaea broke up?
You are posting that "Atlantis" could be under the ice in Greenland and that Greenland broke of  from Pangaea and slowly moved upwards.
The Pangaea started breaking up during 175 Million years ago. So, do you think Humans were around that time?

[kmt_sesh]

The_Spartan, on 15 March 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Mario, do you think that humans were around the time when the Pangaea broke up?
You are posting that "Atlantis" could be under the ice in Greenland and that Greenland broke of  from Pangaea and slowly moved upwards.
The Pangaea started breaking up during 175 Million years ago. So, do you think Humans were around that time?

Yes. I'm wondering the same thing.

[aquatus1]

Mario, the purpose of a discussion forum is to, well...discuss.

You haven't been doing any discussing.  The very few points that you have acknowledged, you have not actually addressed; Instead you posted some other bit of your argument that did not actually address the point itself.

In other words, you are presenting what you believe is correct, but you are not listening to anyone who tells you that something is incorrect.  Earlier I said that I believed it was unlikely that you would develop a valid theory if you focused on your conclusion instead of the evidence.  This above behaviour is precisely why that was said.

Real researchers don't focus on the "yes" answers.  They go out of their way to find the "no" answers.  

In all cases, if you intend to keep posting in this discussion forum, you do need to start discussing.  UM is not a soapbox for individual agendas.

[Mario Dantas]

Aquatus1, everybody,

(Hoping that those of you who are writing on this thread, actually read Plato's dialogs "Timaeus" and "Critias")

I have created an experiment that puts aside the geological timing and focus on other "issues".

I need you to answer me why is there such a perfect continental fit between several regions of the world and Greenland (you never spoke about the "supposed" continental fit in my models). Why is the strongest positive anomaly (in the geoid map), in front of Gibraltar? Why are Laurissilva fossils in southern Europe and north Africa only found alive in the Macaronesia? Why is the distance between the Cape Verde islands and the Azores equal to Greenland's length? Why is the largest desert in the world located below the Gibraltar region? Why is that the Azores triple junction (where the three major continental plates meet: American, Eurasian, and African plates) is located in front of Gibraltar? Why did sea levels rose as much as 140 m, at the end of the last glaciation? Why is there continental sediment where there is no continent at all (in the northern MAR)? Why orogenic events took place in both sides of the Atlantic (the Atlas range, the Appalachians, or the Scandinavian)? Why 10% of all the world's "conus genus" are located in the Cape Verde islands? Why are the three major nesting places for the Caretta Caretta turtle situated in the same latitude (Miami, Cape Verde, Oman) Why is the Sahara so uniformely constituted of Sand and dust (which is responsible for more than 60 % of all dust (aerosol) in the world's atmosphere? Why is the northern MAR shape similar to Greenland? Why is Iceland so volcanicly active and within the northern MAR? Why is southern Greenland so geological similar to the Cape Verde islands? Why is the windward group geologically similar to Greenland's southwest, and the leeward group likewise similar to the southeast? Why is there also a coincidental continental fit between each island group and said Greenlandic regions? Why are volcanoes (extinct and active) situated at the inward regions of the Archipelago, and not somewhere else? Why is the sea floor uplift in these islands, related to continental drift (Serralheiro, 1970)? Why have the two archipelagos (Cape Verde and Canary islands) synchronously came into being so far distanced from each other? Why are there vestiges of a continent in these tiny islands? Why is ancient sea floor now covered with extensive lava flows? What caused the widespread "extinction" of benthic fauna in the Macaronesia? Why was the term "Macaron Nesoi" given to the islands of the Macaronesia?

Lava Lake Tectonics


Regards,
Mário Dantas

Edited by Mario Dantas, 16 March 2012 - 01:29 AM.

[cormac mac airt]

Mario Dantas, on 16 March 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Aquatus1, everybody,

(Hoping that those of you who are writing on this thread, actually read Plato's dialogs "Timaeus" and "Critias")

I have created an experiment that puts aside the geological timing and focus on other "issues".

I need you to answer me why is there such a perfect continental fit between several regions of the world and Greenland (you never spoke about the "supposed" continental fit in my models). Why is the strongest positive anomaly (in the geoid map), in front of Gibraltar? Why are Laurissilva fossils in southern Europe and north Africa only found alive in the Macaronesia? Why is the distance between the Cape Verde islands and the Azores equal to Greenland's length? Why is the largest desert in the world located below the Gibraltar region? Why is that the Azores triple junction (where the three major continental plates meet: American, Eurasian, and African plates) is located in front of Gibraltar? Why did sea levels rose as much as 140 m, at the end of the last glaciation? Why is there continental sediment where there is no continent at all (in the northern MAR)? Why orogenic events took place in both sides of the Atlantic (the Atlas range, the Appalachians, or the Scandinavian)? Why 10% of all the world's "conus genus" are located in the Cape Verde islands? Why are the three major nesting places for the Caretta Caretta turtle situated in the same latitude (Miami, Cape Verde, Oman) Why is the Sahara so uniformely constituted of Sand and dust (which is responsible for more than 60 % of all dust (aerosol) in the world's atmosphere? Why is the northern MAR shape similar to Greenland? Why is Iceland so volcanicly active and within the northern MAR? Why is southern Greenland so geological similar to the Cape Verde islands? Why is the windward group geologically similar to Greenland's southwest, and the leeward group likewise similar to the southeast? Why is there also a coincidental continental fit between each island group and said Greenlandic regions? Why are volcanoes (extinct and active) situated at the inward regions of the Archipelago, and not somewhere else? Why is the sea floor uplift in these islands, related to continental drift (Serralheiro, 1970)? Why have the two archipelagos (Cape Verde and Canary islands) synchronously came into being so far distanced from each other? Why are there vestiges of a continent in these tiny islands? Why is ancient sea floor now covered with extensive lava flows? What caused the widespread "extinction" of benthic fauna in the Macaronesia? Why was the term "Macaron Nesoi" given to the islands of the Macaronesia?

Lava Lake Tectonics


Regards,
Mário Dantas

Many of us have read the Timaeus and Critias many, MANY times.

When you "set aside the geological timing" as well as other conter-evidence, you've effectively set aside the facts in favor of your pet fiction. THEREIN lies the problem.

cormac

[socrates.junior]

Nope, I am NOT going to answer the several dozen questions you are posing. That would require patience, which (thanks to a ****ty online homework program involving completely incorrect calculus formulas) I do not have. But regardless of that.

What do your questions even mean? Whoop-de-frickin-do, Greenland was part of Pangaea. It moved to its present location. All commonly accepted facts. Except, humans weren't alive when this happened, so your Atlantis theory is a bunch of wishful thinking and fairy dust.

Who would've thought, I feel better now.

EDIT: I'd just like to add that your questions are basic, and don't bring anything new to the table. I can see where you are going with them, but geology isn't a madcap science of "Find the most improbable explanation." It is a careful science of multiple working hypotheses.

EDIT 2: Occam's Razor.

Edited by socrates.junior, 16 March 2012 - 03:21 AM.

[The_Spartan]

he still hasn't answered my Question.

Yoo Hoo Mario!!
Do you think Humans were there during the time of the break up of the Pangaea?? And did they build Atlantis on Greenland?
As i said, Pangaea started breaking up 175 million years ago.
Homo Sapiens Sapiens came around 7 million years ago only.

Come on Mario...stop beating around the bush, skirting the actual question.

Answer me.

its no bloody fun discussing about Altantis in Greenland when Humans were not even around there to build it.

[aquatus1]

Mario Dantas, on 16 March 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

(Hoping that those of you who are writing on this thread, actually read Plato's dialogs "Timaeus" and "Critias")

Oh for...Yes, Mario, we have read it.  Atlantis is mentioned only once in Timaeus, and Critias was never actually finished (there is speculation that the story was too similar to an already existing tale for Plato's tastes).  Both of them together are about ten pages worth of material.  It is not exactly a hard read.

Timaeus and Critias are part of a 6 dialogue set (Critias, Laws,  Philebus, Sophist, Statesman, Timaeus), the others of which refer directly to politics, in much the same way that Atlantis is used as an example of one of Plato's political societies.  Plato wrote multiple dialogues on politics and philosophy, he wrote none on history, and certainly no travelogues.

That Atlantis is fictional and a metaphor  is not even in question by any academic, to the point that when they did  an Atlantis special for ABC (CBS?), they had to find philosophers to  talk about Atlantis, because they couldn't get any historians who  believed it to be real.

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I have created an experiment that puts aside the geological timing and focus on other "issues".

Okay, see, in the previous post, it was pointed out that you never actually discussed any of the issues we pointed out to you, that you just kind of ignored it and started talking about different topics, remember that?  Please read what you wrote up there, and think about it a little bit.

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I need you to answer me why is there such a perfect continental fit between several regions of the world and Greenland (you never spoke about the "supposed" continental fit in my models). Why is the strongest positive anomaly (in the geoid map), in front of Gibraltar? Why are Laurissilva fossils in southern Europe and north Africa only found alive in the Macaronesia? Why is the distance between the Cape Verde islands and the Azores equal to Greenland's length? Why is the largest desert in the world located below the Gibraltar region? Why is that the Azores triple junction (where the three major continental plates meet: American, Eurasian, and African plates) is located in front of Gibraltar? Why did sea levels rose as much as 140 m, at the end of the last glaciation? Why is there continental sediment where there is no continent at all (in the northern MAR)? Why orogenic events took place in both sides of the Atlantic (the Atlas range, the Appalachians, or the Scandinavian)? Why 10% of all the world's "conus genus" are located in the Cape Verde islands? Why are the three major nesting places for the Caretta Caretta turtle situated in the same latitude (Miami, Cape Verde, Oman) Why is the Sahara so uniformely constituted of Sand and dust (which is responsible for more than 60 % of all dust (aerosol) in the world's atmosphere? Why is the northern MAR shape similar to Greenland? Why is Iceland so volcanicly active and within the northern MAR? Why is southern Greenland so geological similar to the Cape Verde islands? Why is the windward group geologically similar to Greenland's southwest, and the leeward group likewise similar to the southeast? Why is there also a coincidental continental fit between each island group and said Greenlandic regions? Why are volcanoes (extinct and active) situated at the inward regions of the Archipelago, and not somewhere else? Why is the sea floor uplift in these islands, related to continental drift (Serralheiro, 1970)? Why have the two archipelagos (Cape Verde and Canary islands) synchronously came into being so far distanced from each other? Why are there vestiges of a continent in these tiny islands? Why is ancient sea floor now covered with extensive lava flows? What caused the widespread "extinction" of benthic fauna in the Macaronesia? Why was the term "Macaron Nesoi" given to the islands of the Macaronesia?

Mario...an experiment is is a procedure specifically designed to test a hypothesis or make a discovery.  What you did above is not an experiment.  It is an attempt to shut people up by blitzkrieging them with questions.

If you have no intention of discussing anything, please stop wasting bandwidth not discussing it.

[Mario Dantas]

Aquatus1,


Shall we discuss the continental fit between Greenland, Iberian peninsula and northwestern Africa? Why is there a "fit" of more than 3.000 km? Have you noticed that canary islands also have a perfect fit, as the Cape Verde islands? Why would three (four?) continental landmasses far apart from each other have such a lengthy occlusion? Or do you deny it? Are you ignoring on purpose what has been shown to you?

https://lh6.googleus...sU/s800/111.jpg
https://lh5.googleus...rsimulation.jpg
https://lh6.googleus...1023/wefwef.png

If you (all) deny this evidence,there will be no use in continuing here...

Although there are many other evidences corroborating what the images are clearly stating, we would take eons discussing it. It is not possible to even pass the "star-up" phase, without being bashed around like some lunatic would. I urge you to observe attentively to the information that has already been forwarded so far. I will never forgive you for having erased Pierre Termier' article without even consulting me. Thanks a lot!

Regards,
Mario Dantas

[Leonardo]

Mario Dantas, on 16 March 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Aquatus1,


Shall we discuss the continental fit between Greenland, Iberian peninsula and northwestern Africa? Why is there a "fit" of more than 3.000 km? Have you noticed that canary islands also have a perfect fit, as the Cape Verde islands? Why would three (four?) continental landmasses far apart from each other have such a lengthy occlusion? Or do you deny it? Are you ignoring on purpose what has been shown to you?

https://lh6.googleus...sU/s800/111.jpg
https://lh5.googleus...rsimulation.jpg
https://lh6.googleus...1023/wefwef.png

If you (all) deny this evidence,there will be no use in continuing here...

Although there are many other evidences corroborating what the images are clearly stating, we would take eons discussing it. It is not possible to even pass the "star-up" phase, without being bashed around like some lunatic would. I urge you to observe attentively to the information that has already been forwarded so far. I will never forgive you for having erased Pierre Termier' article without even consulting me. Thanks a lot!

Regards,
Mario Dantas

Mario,

A continent is not defined by the mass of land above sea-level, but to the extent of the continental shelf  - that's why it's called the "continental shelf".

The Canary Islands are part of the continental shelf of Africa, thus they are part of the "continent of Africa".

There is no 'fit' between the 'continent of Greenland' and Europe/Africa because there is no 'continent of Greenland'. Greenland is part of the North American continent and resides on the continental plate of that name.

The land mass of Greenland does not move independently of the rest of the continent of North America.

[socrates.junior]

As I said before, it has been established that they "fit". THAT MEANS NOTHING TO YOUR THEORY.

[Mario Dantas]

Leonardo, on 16 March 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Mario,

A continent is not defined by the mass of land above sea-level, but to the extent of the continental shelf  - that's why it's called the "continental shelf".

The Canary Islands are part of the continental shelf of Africa, thus they are part of the "continent of Africa".

There is no 'fit' between the 'continent of Greenland' and Europe/Africa because there is no 'continent of Greenland'. Greenland is part of the North American continent and resides on the continental plate of that name.

The land mass of Greenland does not move independently of the rest of the continent of North America.

Dear Leonardo,

I never said that the fit pertained to landmasses above sea level, as you put it. The Canary and the Cape Verde islands are not part of the african shelf.

The global continental shelf highlighed in cyan:
http://en.wikipedia....e:Elevation.jpg

Are you denying then that there is a fit between Greenland, the northwestern Africa, and Iberian peninsula shelf?

https://lh6.googleus...y islands22.jpg

Maybe it is a coincidence that they match to such an extent, maybe not. Excuse for saying this but you all here are denying the obvious. Any other coincidental aspects thrown here, will always be a mere coincidence:

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To establish cause and effect (causality) is notoriously difficult, expressed by the widely accepted statement "correlation does not imply causation". In statistics, it is generally accepted that observational studies can give hints, but can never establish cause and effect. With the probability paradox considered, it would seem that the larger the set of coincidences, the more certainty rises and the more it appears that there is some cause behind the effects of this large-set certainty of random, coincidental events.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Coincidence

Regards,
Mario Dantas

[Mario Dantas]

socrates.junior, on 16 March 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

As I said before, it has been established that they "fit". THAT MEANS NOTHING TO YOUR THEORY.

Socrates.junior,

I did not understand your idea, can you please elaborate?

Regards,
Mario Dantas

[The_Spartan]

whether it fits or not is not the question.

What is the purpose of wasting time creating all those maps, writing that abstract etc., when humans were not even around the time of the break up of Pangaea???

what is the purpose of your whole argument, when there was never any humans at that time, to even build Atlantis?

Where does Atlantis come into the the subject of your theory???