[MUM24/7]

fullywired on Apr 1 2008, 08:07 AM, said:

A Rock in Sajdah Position

Are you sure it's not a position from the Kama Sutra???

fullywired

Maybe, if the rear end was a little higher and the rock had an impatient expression on it's face........

*slaps her wrist*

Naughty...naughty.....Mum.....

[Atheist God]

ShadowsAndDust on Apr 1 2008, 06:23 AM, said:

why? just..why? completely unprovoked insult there, u shud be ashamed.

Why should I be ashamed I didn't say anything that wasn't true.

There are lots of Islamics who do cut the heads off of people they consider infidels.

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MUM24/7 on Apr 1 2008, 07:33 PM, said:

Maybe, if the rear end was a little higher and the rock had an impatient expression on it's face........

*slaps her wrist*

Naughty...naughty.....Mum.....

OMG!!!

[Rockerchick2008]

and there is also such things as coincidences, people see what they wanna see...not whats really there.

[Rockerchick2008]

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[churchanddestroy]

Rockerchick2008 on Apr 1 2008, 08:30 PM, said:

and there is also such things as coincidences, people see what they wanna see...not whats really there.

Yes, like seeing a man bowing to Mecca as a 'miracle' when in actuality its just a tree.
Or seeing the virgin Mary on a piece of toast when in actuality... its just toast.

[Ozi]

AtheistGod on Apr 1 2008, 11:40 PM, said:

Why should I be ashamed I didn't say anything that wasn't true.

There are lots of Islamics who do cut the heads off of people they consider infidels.

Only in your imagination.

churchanddestroy on Apr 2 2008, 05:55 AM, said:

Yes, like seeing a man bowing to Mecca as a 'miracle' when in actuality its just a tree.
Or seeing the virgin Mary on a piece of toast when in actuality... its just toast.

Well you see islam and the quran tells us that, everything in creation is in submission to the will of allah and worship him, rocks, trees, the earth, everything. So when we see a rock, looking like a man in prostration we know its a rock in constant worship to allah and in submission, like the tree, which looks human, bowing in a worship position and facing exactly towards mekkah.

[Ozi]

churchanddestroy on Apr 1 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

Indeed. People can see a banana in a pile of apples... I usually ignore this kind of bunk. Its on the same level as people who find the Virgin Mary on their French Toast

i do agree, some stuff can be seen in such away. I normally tend to be skeptical about it too, even as a muslim.

MID on Apr 1 2008, 09:14 PM, said:

Nonsense. No such thing ever occurred with Neil Armstrong...including his alleged conversion to Islam after Apollo 11. I have no idea where such a nonsensical rumor got started, but it did...and Muslims hounded Neil about it for some time...he heard no such call to prayer, and never questioned it of course...because it never happened.


Amazing stuff.

Like i said, it has not been verified if its the case or not, but since the moon landing, Niel has said very little.

The tree is merely bent. It happens in nature.

It does, but looking like human, who worships five times aday and use that stance in worship and face mekkah, just like the tree.

No, there are not. The fact that not all will see or feel them is support for what it actually is, and which has been stated...paredolia.

thats ur opinion. there are plenty of other things which show the name of allah, which is more than coincedence.

prisha on Apr 1 2008, 10:26 PM, said:

For example i heard, and read, that Sumita Williams, the half indian lady who went in to space recently as an astronuat, has allegedly converted to islam, this has not been verified publicly, but here basis for convertion was taking satelite pictures of the earth, but there was something wrong, the picures showed the earth and its cities in relative darkness, apart from two spots on the earth which were shining light like stars, Medina and Mecca. Its also alleged that neil armstrong heard the muslim call of pray, when he went on the moon, because when he came back, he heard the same thing in Turkey and thats when he questioned it, because he heard the same in space, and allah tells us the call of pray travels through the heavens.



http://www.rediff.co...ul/21sunita.htm

i dont know about Neil Armstrong converting to islam but i am sure if sunita williams converted to islam it would have made headlines in india and in her fathers native state of gujarat.

Sunita Williams now eyes travel to Mars

Having created a new record of stay in space by a woman, Indian-American astronaut Sunita Williams now has set her eyes on the Red Planet.

Williams, who returned to earth on June 22 after spending 195 days at the International Space Station [Images], said she would
love to fly to Mars [Images], if not the moon.

"I would love to go to Mars ... just because it is a different planet," she told mediapersons in India through a videoconference from Houston.

Asked to choose between moon and Mars as her next destination, she said she would also love to go to the moon,
but Mars would be 'different'.

Williams said her long stay in space would definitely help her face the rigours of the long journey to Mars.

She also thanked people across India, particularly from her native state of Gujarat, who prayed for her safe return to
earth.

Williams fondly recalled taking a copy of Bhagvad Gita and an idol of Lord Ganesha along with her to the space
station and took tense moments in her stride. "I knew Ganesha was looking after me," she said.

She said she will be visiting Hyderabad in September for the International Astronautical Congress after which she will visit her relatives in Gujarat and Delhi.

Like i said i heard and read it somewhere, and i also said it has not been verfied. Therefore here is the link. Its prob untrue.

Link

[churchanddestroy]

Ozi on Apr 2 2008, 08:54 AM, said:

Only in your imagination.

I suppose Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Khalid Sheikh who beheaded Daniel Pearl are just figments of our imagination then.
Same for Paul Marshal Johnson, who was beheaded by Islamic Terrorists on June 18, 2004, Nicholas Berg whose body was found on May 8, 2004, of course brutally beheaded. How about Eugene Armstrong, who was beheaded on September 20, 2004, or Kenneth Bigley who was beheaded on October 7, 2004. Let us not forget Margaret Hassan, who was shot, had her arms severed and her throat slit, or Kim Sun-il who was beheaded. Or Shosei Koda, who was beheaded on November 3, 2004.
But of course, those are all figments of our imagination.
Its a shame that you trivialize those deaths, Ozi.

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Well you see islam and the quran tells us that, everything in creation is in submission to the will of allah and worship him, rocks, trees, the earth, everything. So when we see a rock, looking like a man in prostration we know its a rock in constant worship to allah and in submission, like the tree, which looks human, bowing in a worship position and facing exactly towards mekkah.

Its unfortunate that while on one side you claim that certain things are "only in your imagination", but then assert that inanimate objects, such as rocks, are specifically in their position such that they might worship Allah.
The rock and the tree and all of those things are NOT the work of "God". They are subject to natural forces, such as erosion. So if anything, the rock is "worshiping" its "God": The tidal forces of the ocean and erosion.

[Pteriax]

I, for one, do not wish to be turned into a tree, as that poor man was in Sydney. Maybe he was being punished by God for thinking Muhammad was a great prophet and that Jesus was not the son of God.

[Atheist God]

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Only in your imagination.

Really cause I've seen the tapes and read the reports from the middle east... Most recently a Canadian in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to beheading via sword for violating religious law.

[MID]

Ozi on Apr 2 2008, 10:04 AM, said:

Like i said, it has not been verified if its the case or not, but since the moon landing, Niel has said very little.

It certainly has not been verified, but it has been denied, by the Department of State and by Neil Armstrong himself:

Today, as there are still inquiries about this (!) (35 years this has been going on), there is a form letter sent out stating the following:

"The reports of his conversion to Islam and of his hearing the adhan on the Moon and elsewhere are all untrue."


And in Neil's own words, he explains:

"I have found that many organizations claim me as a member, for which I am not a member, and alot of different families--Armstrong families and others--make connections, many of which don't exist. So many people identify with the success of Apollo. The claim about my becoming a Muslim is just an extreme version of people inevitably telling me they know somebody whom I might know."


Neil speaks a great deal, and has done so for decades....

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The tree is merely bent. It happens in nature.

It does, but looking like human, who worships five times aday and use that stance in worship and face mekkah, just like the tree.

Looks like doesn't mean is. This is confirmation of paredolia.

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No, there are not. The fact that not all will see or feel them is support for what it actually is, and which has been stated...paredolia.
thats ur opinion. there are plenty of other things which show the name of allah, which is more than coincedence.

Again, illustrative proof of the phenomenon...


Now...

AthiestGod said....

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There are lots of Islamics who do cut the heads off of people they consider infidels.

And you said:

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Only in your imagination.

Are you kidding me?

Let's refer to churchanddestroy's post, shall we?

I suppose Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Khalid Sheikh who beheaded Daniel Pearl are just figments of our imagination then.
Same for Paul Marshal Johnson, who was beheaded by Islamic Terrorists on June 18, 2004, Nicholas Berg whose body was found on May 8, 2004, of course brutally beheaded. How about Eugene Armstrong, who was beheaded on September 20, 2004, or Kenneth Bigley who was beheaded on October 7, 2004. Let us not forget Margaret Hassan, who was shot, had her arms severed and her throat slit, or Kim Sun-il who was beheaded. Or Shosei Koda, who was beheaded on November 3, 2004.

Our imagination?
Again...are you kidding me?

Perhaps you deny what many people actually saw? Daniel Pearl screaming for mercy as they hacked his head off???

...this unconscionable and cowardly action carried out by men (if you could call them that) who had to cover their faces and hide behind the mask of their god, ALLAH!?


...and all the others illustrated above?


Let me ask you a question.
It's been a question on the minds of many for a long time, and has seemed to have disappeared of recent date.

What is this reticence of mainstream Islam, supposedly adhering to a religion of benevolence and righteousness, to stand unifioed AGAINST THIS HORRID EXTREMIST IDIOCY? Why is there not a massive mainstream Muslim outcry against this? That is incredibly curious.

Is it that you're actually afraid of these wackos...or is it perhaps that you're so blinded by dogma and this illusion of purity or whatever in hell it is that you simply deny it's happening...which is what you seem to be doing with your "Only in your imagination" comment???


A fringe faction of Islam is permitted to kill thousands of defenseless people, to brutally murder individuals while hiding their identities, all in the cause of Jihad and Allah, and the supposedly peace loving majority of this religion doesn't stand up in unified fashion and denounce this madness...or, as seems to be the case with you, denies it's happening???

Explain that.

[SoCrazes]

Let us be real; specifically, there are murderers, thieves, pedophiles, terrorists, etc. in all the "great" religions of the world.

[signal7]

Dude, your into the great Alibi Championship for real.

Yes, a lot going on, and you're not there. That's great. You support Allah.

When someone asks you about this, don't get test. If you're in trouble don't ask for help.

Just ask for your Koran, where Allah is not Ali. OK, there you go...

[Ozi]

churchanddestroy on Apr 2 2008, 04:40 PM, said:

I suppose Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Khalid Sheikh who beheaded Daniel Pearl are just figments of our imagination then.
Same for Paul Marshal Johnson, who was beheaded by Islamic Terrorists on June 18, 2004, Nicholas Berg whose body was found on May 8, 2004, of course brutally beheaded. How about Eugene Armstrong, who was beheaded on September 20, 2004, or Kenneth Bigley who was beheaded on October 7, 2004. Let us not forget Margaret Hassan, who was shot, had her arms severed and her throat slit, or Kim Sun-il who was beheaded. Or Shosei Koda, who was beheaded on November 3, 2004.
But of course, those are all figments of our imagination.
Its a shame that you trivialize those deaths, Ozi.


These are all fignments of your imagination, you know why. Your refering to terrorist groups, kidnapping and beheading western soldiers, spies or anything for that matter. You then tarnish the whole of islam and muslim based on the action of a few terrorists who by the way are fighting yours and the UK forces, in an illegal war, over imaginary WMD's. Its war what do you expect, do i need to bring up the civilised manner of american soldiers in abu ghariab, or anywhere in iraq, do we need to go in to the killing of hundreds of innocent people in afghanistan and iraq at the hands of our troops and missiles. do I really need to go in to that. Its a shame you stand by those poor poeple who got beheaded, and easily forget the thousands killed by american troop, as missiles dont pick their targets, even if their laser guided, you always seem to miss and have plenty of collateral. In those instances those deaths of muslims, blow to pieces, occupied in their own lands, living like refugees in a country which was once prosperous, and now humiliated on daily basis at check points, muslim women searched by male american soldiers etc. get in perspective mate, its a shame on you, that you compare the beheadings of kidnapped westerners, by terrorists and forget the thousands killed in the name of alleged democracy and freedom, by our troops.

Its unfortunate that while on one side you claim that certain things are "only in your imagination", but then assert that inanimate objects, such as rocks, are specifically in their position such that they might worship Allah.
The rock and the tree and all of those things are NOT the work of "God". They are subject to natural forces, such as erosion. So if anything, the rock is "worshiping" its "God": The tidal forces of the ocean and erosion.

The rock if anything, is serving its purpose, its affected by nature, who god has power over, and all objects whether inanimate or not worship allah. That rock is in prostration, whether its a result of erosion is not of any matter, its position and shape, clearly show it in prostration.

MID on Apr 2 2008, 11:32 PM, said:

It certainly has not been verified, but it has been denied, by the Department of State and by Neil Armstrong himself:

Today, as there are still inquiries about this (!) (35 years this has been going on), there is a form letter sent out stating the following:

"The reports of his conversion to Islam and of his hearing the adhan on the Moon and elsewhere are all untrue."


And in Neil's own words, he explains:

"I have found that many organizations claim me as a member, for which I am not a member, and alot of different families--Armstrong families and others--make connections, many of which don't exist. So many people identify with the success of Apollo. The claim about my becoming a Muslim is just an extreme version of people inevitably telling me they know somebody whom I might know."


Neil speaks a great deal, and has done so for decades....




Looks like doesn't mean is. This is confirmation of paredolia.




Again, illustrative proof of the phenomenon...

WEll like i said about neil armstrong, its not verified, its never been and neil did say very little on the matter, although after our discourse i did do some research and it seems he cleared this misconception. Im glad, because personally i dont believe man has been to the moon. Its make not difference to me at all.
Now...

AthiestGod said....


And you said:





Are you kidding me?

Let's refer to churchanddestroy's post, shall we?




Our imagination?
Again...are you kidding me?

Perhaps you deny what many people actually saw? Daniel Pearl screaming for mercy as they hacked his head off???

...this unconscionable and cowardly action carried out by men (if you could call them that) who had to cover their faces and hide behind the mask of their god, ALLAH!?


...and all the others illustrated above?


Let me ask you a question.
It's been a question on the minds of many for a long time, and has seemed to have disappeared of recent date.

What is this reticence of mainstream Islam, supposedly adhering to a religion of benevolence and righteousness, to stand unifioed AGAINST THIS HORRID EXTREMIST IDIOCY? Why is there not a massive mainstream Muslim outcry against this? That is incredibly curious.

Is it that you're actually afraid of these wackos...or is it perhaps that you're so blinded by dogma and this illusion of purity or whatever in hell it is that you simply deny it's happening...which is what you seem to be doing with your "Only in your imagination" comment???


A fringe faction of Islam is permitted to kill thousands of defenseless people, to brutally murder individuals while hiding their identities, all in the cause of Jihad and Allah, and the supposedly peace loving majority of this religion doesn't stand up in unified fashion and denounce this madness...or, as seems to be the case with you, denies it's happening???

Explain that.

Easy, they are called terrorists by you, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. As for what my mate Church and destroy said, has been answered and that answer stands here too.

Now to your point, what muslim should do denounce the extremists, i totally agree and they should work together to get of rid of the threat. So what do you do, well you feed the fire with fuel, by starting an illegal war, produce hate inciting cartoons, war objectives for oil, money and power, but allegedly went in for WMD's, when they could not find any of those, they decided to do a regime change. Still an illegal war, as a result thousands have died, been tortured, raped, arrested for no reason, and still in prison for simply being muslim. How many of you stood up together in collective outcry to say, NO! This is not who were are, we are peace loving christians, aethiest, etc etc, who dont want an illegal war, bomb thousands of innocent people, destroy a whole country, or the poorest nation of earth (afghanistan) for one man. You are joke, hyppocrites, when yone of you are hurt as a result of terrorist action, against the state which is illegally occupying them, you cry, OMG, How barbaric, how nasty!, but seem to forget the cowardry nature and indiscriminate action by our troops, who drop bombs on countries, and bombs cannot telll, who is a kid, who is a women, who is innocent etc. You claim muslim countries dont denoucnce what terrorists do, when they kill innocent poeple, i have no problem with them killing soldiers or military personnel, but i do have a problem with them killing innocent poeple using suicide bombs, many muslims nations have denounced it, you could not fight your alleged war on terror, without pakistan, OMG, thats a muslim country standing side by side, is it doing it because it wants or has to is another question, i reckon if it decided not to, it would have been sent back tothe stone ages, thats what america is best at, bombing the sh** out of weaker nations etc. I mean they had to put on sanctions of iraq, to weaken it, and destory it from within, to make sure when it does invade over some fairy tale reason, that there would not be much resistance, as the sanction will have destroyed the infrastructure and the army. what is going to satify poeple like you is, if only muslim picked up arms and killed their fellow muslim in these illegally occupied lands, and then maybe you would satisfied, although this is happening.

Daniel Pearl was unlucky, just like the thousands of iraqi children who died as a result of econmic sanctions before and saddam, and now die because of insurgence, wanting to get rid of the occupying forces, and the cowardly action of armies, to fight from distance and drop bombs from the skies, really brave. When they get their men, well actually even if they dont, they dont really need an excuse to torture, mame, rape, abuse, captives for fun. dont hear much denouncing of such action, or the illegal war, or the cowardly bombs being dropped etc. Get it in to perspective, its war, both sides, will do things out of order, the question really is, should have our troops invaded a country illegally, and has it made you feel any safer.

I could go on, but i guess you get the point. As for beheading in saudi, for breaking the law, well if you commit murder in america you stand teh chance of having the death penalty, what does that teach you, dont kill in america, if you dont like it, dont go there. Like singapore, has the death penalty for drug smuggling, what do you do, if you wanna smuggle drugs there, you run the risk of being killed by the state for breaking the law, in the same way, you break the law ofthe land in Saudi, you have death penalty. Simple.

Any you not exactly sticking to the topic of the thread here are you.................

This post has been edited by Ozi: 03 April 2008 - 01:07 PM