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#16    InnerSpace

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:05 PM

bogcreeper on Apr 25 2008, 09:08 AM, said:

Looking at all of the available information, I am finding it hard to believe that these earthly and heavinly stresses do not have more to do with our healths as a human race than many people seem to imagine.  I say look out for an outflow of information in these scientific fields in the near future.Find this article at:
www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn13769&print=true


A very interesting OP, Bogcreeper.   thumbsup.gif   I will have to check out your other thread about geopathic stress.    

I think you nailed it when you said "look out for an outflow of information in these scientific fields in the near future."  The near future is upon us with regard to natural and man-made energy fields. There have been numerous studies done to date.  The geomagnetic field has been difficult to study because it's always fluctuating, as seen in graph below.

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3 of many studies archived at PubMed.Gov:

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We studied the relation between the intensity of cosmic rays, the level of solar/geomagnetic activity, and the monthly numbers of deaths in a large hospital in Israel and in all Lithuania. The Israeli data include 30526 hospital deaths, two groups of fatal suicides (2359, 2763), and 15435 suicidal attempts for two periods of 108 and 236 consecutive months. The national data for the entire Republic of Lithuania include 424925 deaths for the period of 120 consecutive months. Cosmic rays intensity was measured by an Apatity neutron monitor. We obtained the data on solar, geomagnetic radiovawe propagation, ionosphere ionization hours, proton flux of two energy levels (>90 and 60 MeV) from the National Geophysical Data Center at Goddard Space Flight Center, National Space Environment Center at Boulder, Colorado, USA, and from the Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere and Radio Wave Propagation (IZMIRAN), Russia. We calculated Pearson coefficients and their probabilities for correlation between monthly space activity level and monthly number of male and female deaths from different causes. Cosmic rays activity revealed significant negative correlation with solar/geomagnetic activity indices and related physical phenomena levels. This activity strongly correlated with flux of protons with the energies >90 MeV proton flux and did not exhibit significant correlation with 60 MeV proton fluxes. Cosmic rays intensity correlation with monthly numbers of deaths was strong for noncardiovascular deaths, suicides, and traffic accidents. The correlation was much weaker for deaths caused by ishemic heart disease and strokes. PMID: 12099402 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Homicide and suicide are extremes in human behavior. The aim of this study is to investigate the connection by time between suicide and homicide, between them and other fatalities, and their links with the level of cosmophysical activity. METHODS: Using the national database of Lithuania (1990-2002) we found that 547,875 deaths, 4,638 homicides (3,374 male) and 19,527 (16,019 male) suicides were registered in that period. Their temporal distribution over 156 months was compared with solar and cosmic-ray activity. Pearson correlation coefficients and their probabilities were established. RESULTS: There was a correlation between monthly rates of homicide and male groups. Female suicide rates correlated with male and total homicide numbers. Both homicide and suicide rates were inversely correlated with solar and cosmic-ray activity. Suicide numbers, but not homicides, were inversely related to geomagnetic activity. Suicide rates were inversely correlated with total, cardiovascular, traffic accident, and sudden deaths; homicide with total, traffic accident, and sudden deaths. CONCLUSION: Temporal distribution of homicide and suicide is significantly interrelated. Both are linked to parameters of cosmophysical activity. The influence of cosmic rays deserves special attention. PMID: 16138745 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Do ambient electromagnetic fields affect behaviour? A demonstration of the relationship between geomagnetic storm activity and suicide. Berk M, Dodd S, Henry M.
Department of Clinical and Biomedical Sciences-Barwon Health, University of Melbourne, Geelong, Australia.

The relationship between ambient electromagnetic fields and human mood and behaviour is of great public health interest. The relationship between Ap indices of geomagnetic storm activity and national suicide statistics for Australia from 1968 to 2002 was studied. Ap index data was normalised so as to be globally uniform and gave a measure of storm activity for each day. A geomagnetic storm event was defined as a day in which the Ap index was equal to or exceeded 100 nT. Suicide data was a national tally of daily male and female death figures where suicide had been documented as the cause of death. A total of 51 845 males and 16 327 females were included. The average number of suicides was greatest in spring for males and females, and lowest in autumn for males and summer for females. Suicide amongst females increased significantly in autumn during concurrent periods of geomagnetic storm activity (P = .01). This pattern was not observed in males (P = .16). This suggests that perturbations in ambient electromagnetic field activity impact behaviour in a clinically meaningful manner. The study furthermore raises issues regarding other sources of stray electromagnetic fields and their effect on mental health. PMID: 16304696 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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A large number of studies have identified significant physical, biological and health effects associated with changes in Solar and Geomagnetic Activity (S-GMA). Variations in solar activity, geomagnetic activity and ionospheric ion/electron concentrations are all mutually highly correlated and strongly linked by geophysical processes. A key scientific question is, what factor is it in the natural environment that causes the observed biological and physical effects? The effects include altered blood pressure and melatonin, increased cancer, reproductive, cardiac and neurological disease and death. Many occupational studies have found that exposure to ELF fields between 16.7 Hz and 50/60 Hz significantly reduces melatonin levels. They are also associated with the same and very similar health effects as the S-GMA effects. The cell membrane has an electric field of the order of 105 V/cm. The ELF brain waves operate at about 10-1 V/cm. Fish, birds, animalsand people have been shown to respond to ELF signals that produce tissue electric gradients of ULF/ELF oscillating signals at a threshold of 10-7 to 10-8 V/cm.This involves non-linear resonant absorption of ULF/ELF oscillating signals into systems that use natural ion oscillation signals in the same frequency range. A long-lived, globally available natural ULF/ELF signal, the Schumann Resonance signal, was investigated as the possible plausible biophysical mechanism for the observedS-GMA effects. It is found that the Schumann Resonance signal is extremely highly correlated with S-GMA indices of sunspot number and the Kp index. The physical mechanism is the ionospheric D-region ion/electron density that varies with S-GMA and forms the upper boundary of the resonant cavity in which the Schumann Resonance signal is formed. This provides strong support for identifying the Schumann Resonance signals as the S-GMA biophysical mechanism, primarily through a melatonin mechanism. It strongly supports the classification of S-GMA as a natural hazard. Source

The neurons involved in emotion, thinking, memory and reaction use oscillating calcium ion and neurotransmitter signals primarily in the frequency range below 50 Hz. The human EEG shares the same frequency range as a natural ELF signal, the Schumann Resonance, that propagate around the world with a diurnal and seasonal pattern that follows the human diurnal melatonin pattern.   The intensity of the Schumann Resonance signal (frequencies between 6 and 50 cycles per second, specifically 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz), with a daily variation of about +/- 0.5 Hertz, fluxes with Geomagnetic Activity (GMA) in a highly significantly correlated manner. Many animal studies find that ELF fields reduce melatonin. In 2001, more than 13 studies showed that people exposed to ELF fields have reduced melatonin.  Since melatonin and serotonin are the primary circadian endocrine hormones, all vital organs, including the brain, hypothalamus, central nervous system, lymph system, immune system, heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, uterus, testes and fetus, have melatonin and serotonin receptors. Hence substances that alter the melatonin/serotonin balance can affect organs throughout the body.

I go into more detail in the links provided below.  I’ve posted several studies showing the correlation of possible health risks when our bodies/brains are exposed and/or synchronize with these energy fields, both natural and man-made.  

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry2221530

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry2224924


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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:18 PM

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 02:21 PM, said:

Easy on the negativity bud.

It's called reality. original.gif

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 02:21 PM, said:

I have found that a lot of people on this board, close their minds if the science is not measurable.

What are you talking about? This is a purely falsifiable issue with a real truth value.

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 02:21 PM, said:

Notable scientists argue in the same way as both Einstein and other greats have been beat around for their theories, only to have them proven later.

They were scientific theories - real science with evidence to back them.You're making crackpot guesses based entirely on ignorance with no evidence.

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 02:21 PM, said:

As far as the science goes, the greatest step in making a point valid is to find correlations that prove it's validity.

No. Correlation does not imply causation. Correlation by itself proves nothing.

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 02:21 PM, said:

Depression correlating with this geomagnetism may not be scientifically proven in the near future, but correlations are not a farce and few correlations are found to be non valid.

Again, correlations do not imply causation. You can invent infinite correlations which do not imply causation.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:21 PM

Mr.Dot on Apr 28 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

I didn't say magnetism does affect us, I said that I find this article Interesting and would not be surprised if it did.

Exactly. Why would you not be surprised? Because you are assuming that magnetism would affect us.

Mr.Dot on Apr 28 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

Your very offensive in this forum Wombat. But I guess thats just who you are.

People on this forum generally hate logic.

Edited by Wombat, 28 April 2008 - 04:24 PM.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:34 PM

[quote name='Inner Space' date='Apr 28 2008, 10:05 AM' post='2270044']
A large number of studies have identified significant physical, biological and health effects associated with changes in Solar and Geomagnetic Activity (S-GMA). Variations in solar activity, geomagnetic activity and ionospheric ion/electron concentrations are all mutually highly correlated and strongly linked by geophysical processes. A key scientific question is, what factor is it in the natural environment that causes the observed biological and physical effects? The effects include altered blood pressure and melatonin, increased cancer, reproductive, cardiac and neurological disease and death. Many occupational studies have found that exposure to ELF fields between 16.7 Hz and 50/60 Hz significantly reduces melatonin levels. They are also associated with the same and very similar health effects as the S-GMA effects. The cell membrane has an electric field of the order of 105 V/cm. The ELF brain waves operate at about 10-1 V/cm. Fish, birds, animalsand people have been shown to respond to ELF signals that produce tissue electric gradients of ULF/ELF oscillating signals at a threshold of 10-7 to 10-8 V/cm.This involves non-linear resonant absorption of ULF/ELF oscillating signals into systems that use natural ion oscillation signals in the same frequency range. A long-lived, globally available natural ULF/ELF signal, the Schumann Resonance signal, was investigated as the possible plausible biophysical mechanism for the observedS-GMA effects. It is found that the Schumann Resonance signal is extremely highly correlated with S-GMA indices of sunspot number and the Kp index. The physical mechanism is the ionospheric D-region ion/electron density that varies with S-GMA and forms the upper boundary of the resonant cavity in which the Schumann Resonance signal is formed. This provides strong support for identifying the Schumann Resonance signals as the S-GMA biophysical mechanism, primarily through a melatonin mechanism. It strongly supports the classification of S-GMA as a natural hazard. Source

The neurons involved in emotion, thinking, memory and reaction use oscillating calcium ion and neurotransmitter signals primarily in the frequency range below 50 Hz. The human EEG shares the same frequency range as a natural ELF signal, the Schumann Resonance, that propagate around the world with a diurnal and seasonal pattern that follows the human diurnal melatonin pattern.   The intensity of the Schumann Resonance signal (frequencies between 6 and 50 cycles per second, specifically 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz), with a daily variation of about +/- 0.5 Hertz, fluxes with Geomagnetic Activity (GMA) in a highly significantly correlated manner. Many animal studies find that ELF fields reduce melatonin. In 2001, more than 13 studies showed that people exposed to ELF fields have reduced melatonin.  Since melatonin and serotonin are the primary circadian endocrine hormones, all vital organs, including the brain, hypothalamus, central nervous system, lymph system, immune system, heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, uterus, testes and fetus, have melatonin and serotonin receptors. Hence substances that alter the melatonin/serotonin balance can affect organs throughout the body.



WOW ~ What a Post 'Inner Space'.... Thank you for sharing  ~   The comment .... "A large number of studies have identified significant physical, biological and health effects associated with changes in Solar and Geomagnetic Activity" ....and "The human EEG shares the same frequency range as a natural ELF signal (which is scarey in the respect of all those towers going up around us), the Schumann Resonance, that propagate around the world with a diurnal and seasonal pattern that follows the human diurnal melatonin pattern."  ... is right on the mark!   (I think I may want to share with you an experience that I have had that would knock your socks off.... but would never post it on this forum.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:37 PM

Inner Space on Apr 28 2008, 12:05 PM, said:

A very interesting OP, Bogcreeper.   thumbsup.gif   I will have to check out your other thread about geopathic stress.    

I think you nailed it when you said "look out for an outflow of information in these scientific fields in the near future."  The near future is upon us with regard to natural and man-made energy fields. There have been numerous studies done to date.  The geomagnetic field has been difficult to study because it's always fluctuating, as seen in graph below.

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3 of many studies archived at PubMed.Gov:

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A large number of studies have identified significant physical, biological and health effects associated with changes in Solar and Geomagnetic Activity (S-GMA). Variations in solar activity, geomagnetic activity and ionospheric ion/electron concentrations are all mutually highly correlated and strongly linked by geophysical processes. A key scientific question is, what factor is it in the natural environment that causes the observed biological and physical effects? The effects include altered blood pressure and melatonin, increased cancer, reproductive, cardiac and neurological disease and death. Many occupational studies have found that exposure to ELF fields between 16.7 Hz and 50/60 Hz significantly reduces melatonin levels. They are also associated with the same and very similar health effects as the S-GMA effects. The cell membrane has an electric field of the order of 105 V/cm. The ELF brain waves operate at about 10-1 V/cm. Fish, birds, animalsand people have been shown to respond to ELF signals that produce tissue electric gradients of ULF/ELF oscillating signals at a threshold of 10-7 to 10-8 V/cm.This involves non-linear resonant absorption of ULF/ELF oscillating signals into systems that use natural ion oscillation signals in the same frequency range. A long-lived, globally available natural ULF/ELF signal, the Schumann Resonance signal, was investigated as the possible plausible biophysical mechanism for the observedS-GMA effects. It is found that the Schumann Resonance signal is extremely highly correlated with S-GMA indices of sunspot number and the Kp index. The physical mechanism is the ionospheric D-region ion/electron density that varies with S-GMA and forms the upper boundary of the resonant cavity in which the Schumann Resonance signal is formed. This provides strong support for identifying the Schumann Resonance signals as the S-GMA biophysical mechanism, primarily through a melatonin mechanism. It strongly supports the classification of S-GMA as a natural hazard. Source

The neurons involved in emotion, thinking, memory and reaction use oscillating calcium ion and neurotransmitter signals primarily in the frequency range below 50 Hz. The human EEG shares the same frequency range as a natural ELF signal, the Schumann Resonance, that propagate around the world with a diurnal and seasonal pattern that follows the human diurnal melatonin pattern.   The intensity of the Schumann Resonance signal (frequencies between 6 and 50 cycles per second, specifically 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz), with a daily variation of about +/- 0.5 Hertz, fluxes with Geomagnetic Activity (GMA) in a highly significantly correlated manner. Many animal studies find that ELF fields reduce melatonin. In 2001, more than 13 studies showed that people exposed to ELF fields have reduced melatonin.  Since melatonin and serotonin are the primary circadian endocrine hormones, all vital organs, including the brain, hypothalamus, central nervous system, lymph system, immune system, heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, uterus, testes and fetus, have melatonin and serotonin receptors. Hence substances that alter the melatonin/serotonin balance can affect organs throughout the body.

I go into more detail in the links provided below.  I’ve posted several studies showing the correlation of possible health risks when our bodies/brains are exposed and/or synchronize with these energy fields, both natural and man-made.  

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry2221530

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry2224924
thanks very much for the info and data.  When I recently found this information I had no idea that there would be so much data and relating evidence to support it.  Many days of study and understanding ahead of me.



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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:42 PM

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 05:37 PM, said:

thanks very much for the info and data.  When I recently found this information I had no idea that there would be so much data and relating evidence to support it.  Many days of study and understanding ahead of me.

If you had any critical thinking skills, you would realize that that isn't evidence. All of it relies on irrelevant correlations.

Imagine that the sun is especially active I go into a city hospital during wartime.
1) A lot of people die
2) The sun is especially active
3) Therefore, the sun causes death.  

This kind of thinking is a logical fallacy called non sequitur (does not follow). 1 and 2 might well be true, but 3 isn't necessarily true. Not only do you have to look critically at the facts, but also at the conclusions derived from the facts.

Also, just because it sounds scientific, it doesn't mean that it is. That kind of trash would not stand up to peer review in any refutable scientific journal.

Edited by Wombat, 28 April 2008 - 04:45 PM.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:47 PM

Wombat on Apr 28 2008, 12:18 PM, said:

It's called reality. original.gif

What are you talking about? This is a purely falsifiable issue with a real truth value.

They were scientific theories - real science with evidence to back them.You're making crackpot guesses based entirely on ignorance with no evidence.

No. Correlation does not imply causation. Correlation by itself proves nothing.

Again, correlations do not imply causation. You can invent infinite correlations which do not imply causation.

Correlation do not imply causations I agree, but correlations let us take the next step to finding the truth.  What do you mean there is no scientific evidence?  Do some research before you make judgements and your a realist.  I have known "realists" who are not arrogant and speak with a better more positive manner.   Who are you to tell scientists that work in their field that their judgements do not have "real" science to back them up and have no real truth value?  Your not a skeptic ... skeptics keep an open mind.


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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:54 PM

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 05:47 PM, said:

Correlation do not imply causations I agree, but correlations let us take the next step to finding the truth.

No, not necessarily.

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 05:47 PM, said:

What do you mean there is no scientific evidence? Do some research before you make judgements and your a realist.

That's exactly what I mean.

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 05:47 PM, said:

I have known "realists" who are not arrogant and speak with a better more positive manner.

So what?

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 05:47 PM, said:

Who are you to tell scientists that work in their field that their judgements do not have "real" science to back them up and have no real truth value?

What does it matter who I am? If someone says that 1+1=3, they are wrong, reguardless of who they are or who I am.

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 05:47 PM, said:

Your not a skeptic ... skeptics keep an open mind.

I have an open mind. Unlike you, I attempt to follow evidence, logic and reason to find out the truth. Being close minded is to accept things unquestioningly for personal reasons. That's what you are doing.

And even if I did have a closed mind, what would it matter? 1+1=3 is still wrong, no matter how closed my mind is (it isn't).

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 05:05 PM

Wombat on Apr 28 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

No, not necessarily.

That's exactly what I mean.

So what?

What does it matter who I am? If someone says that 1+1=3, they are wrong, reguardless of who they are or who I am.

I have an open mind. Unlike you, I attempt to follow evidence, logic and reason to find out the truth. Being close minded is to accept things unquestioningly for personal reasons. That's what you are doing.

And even if I did have a closed mind, what would it matter? 1+1=3 is still wrong, no matter how closed my mind is (it isn't).
opinions and assumptions with no scientific gumption.  Anger is an weak emotion
  
I'd say that people would listen to you better without the "ego" rants and a calmer, more friendly disposition.



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Posted 28 April 2008 - 05:51 PM

bogcreeper on Apr 28 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

opinions and assumptions with no scientific gumption.  Anger is an weak emotion
  
I'd say that people would listen to you better without the "ego" rants and a calmer, more friendly disposition.

If my logic is indeed flawed, then provide some kind of counter-argument, instead of declaring it an ego-rant.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:15 PM

Wombat, with all due respect, I sympathise with your cause but in this case, Inner Space is doing some very good research and using the right tools which is more than I can say for some other claimants/claims on this forum.

Although it's early days, the research I-S has found is very interesting and granted many more properly controlled studies would have to be done to reach any conclusive grounds. At the moment it spells only a correlation but there could be some substance to it and it can be studied properly in the context of science.

I find this quite interesting...
QUOTE (Inner Space)
Many animal studies find that ELF fields reduce melatonin. In 2001, more than 13 studies showed that people exposed to ELF fields have reduced melatonin. Since melatonin and serotonin are the primary circadian endocrine hormones, all vital organs, including the brain, hypothalamus, central nervous system, lymph system, immune system, heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, uterus, testes and fetus, have melatonin and serotonin receptors. Hence substances that alter the melatonin/serotonin balance can affect organs throughout the body.


You should take a look at her other thread - Does Our Brain/Environment Create God?, How can we know for certain it doesn't.. They are hypotheses at this stage imo, but they have a very good potential to turn into properly formed theories and/or further studies. It is good stuff. What she is trying to study is the influence of geomagnetic (and other man-made/natural) fields on our physiology, specifically the brain, and how they could possibly give rise, or at least in some cases be an instigator, to a number of phenomena usually classed as supernatural but all being natural ie. just in ones mind not actually existing in reality. In other words, alien abductions, ghost sightings, visions, god (delusion?) etc. could be just figments of imagination caused by fluctuations in these fields resonating with our natural brainwave fields. Although there may be other natural causes for these phenomena (including but not limited to neural dysfunction/disease etc.) what she has found could partly be responsible too, imo. We just need to do a lot more research.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:28 PM

Humans do not have any particular electrical charge. We can charge ourselves up to be positively charged or negatively charged by scuffing our feet on the floor, by petting a cat on a dry day, by rubbing some kinds of plastic (a comb, for instance) or a rubber balloon in our hair. But we can just as easily discharge ourselves (ouch!) by touching something that conducts and has a different charge (like the Earth or something electrically connected to it, like water pipes).

As far as we know, nothing has a magnetic charge. There does not seem to be any evidence for the magnetic equivalent of an electrical charge, although the theories of physics are as far as I know consistent both with and without magnetically charged objects (we might learn some important things if we ever did observe a particle with a magnetic charge). These hypothetical particles are called "magnetic monopoles" and may be either North or South. All magnets we know of are at least "dipoles" -- they have a North and a South pole, and sometimes more than one of each. No monopoles have been observed, in spite of intense efforts to look for them. People also have essentially no magnetic dipole (the sort of paired North-South poles that ordinary magnets have.)

I remember the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita. Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says: "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another." - J. Robert Oppenheimer.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:31 PM

ai_guardian on Apr 28 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

Wombat, with all due respect, I sympathise with your cause but in this case, Inner Space is doing some very good research and using the right tools which is more than I can say for some other claimants/claims on this forum.

Although it's early days, the research I-S has found is very interesting and granted many more properly controlled studies would have to be done to reach any conclusive grounds. At the moment it spells only a correlation but there could be some substance to it and it can be studied properly in the context of science.

I find this quite interesting...


You should take a look at her other thread - Does Our Brain/Environment Create God?, How can we know for certain it doesn't.. They are hypotheses at this stage imo, but they have a very good potential to turn into properly formed theories and/or further studies. It is good stuff. What she is trying to study is the influence of geomagnetic (and other man-made/natural) fields on our physiology, specifically the brain, and how they could possibly give rise, or at least in some cases be an instigator, to a number of phenomena usually classed as supernatural but all being natural ie. just in ones mind not actually existing in reality. In other words, alien abductions, ghost sightings, visions, god (delusion?) etc. could be just figments of imagination caused by fluctuations in these fields resonating with our natural brainwave fields. Although there may be other natural causes for these phenomena (including but not limited to neural dysfunction/disease etc.) what she has found could partly be responsible too, imo. We just need to do a lot more research.

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Nice wording.  How much "if any" have you read on Dr. Michael Persingers Gods Helmet?  He supposively has created a helmet that interferes with a persons natural geomagnetic fields to produce "delusions" much like the sense deprivation of caves and that associated with sacred sites.  His counterpart Paul Deveraux has stated that these natural changes in the geomagnetic field only lets you see what is already there.  Here is my point on these supernatural things being only in our heads and not reality.  If two people saw  a earthlight dancing in front of them, how could they be having the same delusion?  Is "crazy" contagious?  I have a really interesting attachment that was given to me by Dr. Michael Persinger somewhere that gets indepth about the God Delusion and geomagnetic phenomena.  When I find it I will post it.


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Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:44 PM

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Nice wording.  How much "if any" have you read on Dr. Michael Persingers Gods Helmet?  He supposively has created a helmet that interferes with a persons natural geomagnetic fields to produce "delusions" much like the sense deprivation of caves and that associated with sacred sites.  His counterpart Paul Deveraux has stated that these natural changes in the geomagnetic field only lets you see what is already there.  Here is my point on these supernatural things being only in our heads and not reality.  If two people saw  a earthlight dancing in front of them, how could they be having the same delusion?  Is "crazy" contagious?  I have a really interesting attachment that was given to me by Dr. Michael Persinger somewhere that gets indepth about the God Delusion and geomagnetic phenomena.  When I find it I will post it.
Thanks. I'll have to look into that, haven't heard of it. It's late here (4:40am) and I'm really tired but to this "If two people saw  a earthlight dancing in front of them, how could they be having the same delusion" I would say that an appropriate detector (not necessarily of visible light) placed in that location should answer that question. If the detector does not detect it, it's a delusion.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:51 PM

Whilst of course I support research on such ideas, this is all very dubious, seemingly consisting mostly of correlation. Which in itself may even be completely factual, but not enough to draw conclusions.

That's what I resist - the baseless assumptions that so many people are making.

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