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#1    BlackFrost

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 09:50 PM

I have been trying to find 'remote viewing' on the forum ~ Fascinating topic.

Would like to know if anyone has some interesting experiences/comments on the subject....

and the technique used.  


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Posted 27 April 2008 - 10:06 PM

Remote viewing does not exist, or at least there is absolutely no reason to believe that it exists.

I suggest that you get a basic education before you start denying science.

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Posted 27 April 2008 - 10:10 PM

Wombat on Apr 27 2008, 11:06 PM, said:

Remote viewing does not exist, or at least there is absolutely no reason to believe that it exists.

I suggest that you get a basic education before you start denying science.



That is a silly thing to say......it's more or less common knowledge that remote viewing is a reality...
for military around the world.....

Do your homework...before insulting other people's education.



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Posted 27 April 2008 - 11:36 PM

Yes Bee ~ I have noticed wombat is very 'unfriendly' on this forum ~ with a major attitude
if things are discussed to their liking.

This is just ONE of the sights wombat might want to check out ~ regarding the  REALITY of remote viewing.
The CIA initiated remote viewing at Stanford  ~ In July 1995 the CIA declassified, and approved for release,
documents revealing its sponsorship in the 1970s of a program at Stanford Research Institute .

Your knowledge source for remote viewing facts, history, and information. Find out more about the military remote viewing program.
www.militaryremoteviewers.com

wombat ~ take your own advice and do the research before being insulting to others!


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Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:16 AM

bee on Apr 27 2008, 10:10 PM, said:

That is a silly thing to say......it's more or less common knowledge that remote viewing is a reality...
for military around the world.....

Do your homework...before insulting other people's education.

That's untrue. Remote viewing is completely unsupported by any evidence at all.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:20 AM

BlackFrost on Apr 27 2008, 11:36 PM, said:

Yes Bee ~ I have noticed wombat is very 'unfriendly' on this forum ~ with a major attitude
if things are discussed to their liking.

This is just ONE of the sights wombat might want to check out ~ regarding the  REALITY of remote viewing.
The CIA initiated remote viewing at Stanford  ~ In July 1995 the CIA declassified, and approved for release,
documents revealing its sponsorship in the 1970s of a program at Stanford Research Institute .

Your knowledge source for remote viewing facts, history, and information. Find out more about the military remote viewing program.
www.militaryremoteviewers.com

wombat ~ take your own advice and do the research before being insulting to others!

Do you know why that silly project was cancelled? Because it didn't produce anything.

And again, there is not a single scrap of evidence to support remote viewing.

And that website is trash. I can also put up a website and make 10000 fake witnesses who have seen the president being kidnapped by spacemonkeys. It doesn't make it true. Read the wikipedia article instead, particularily the criticism:

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According to Dr. David Marks in experiments conducted in the 1970s at the Stanford Research Institute, the notes given to the judges contained clues as to which order they were carried out, such as referring to yesterday's two targets, or they had the date of the session written at the top of the page. Dr. Marks concluded that these clues were the reason for the experiment's high hit rates.[25][26]

Dr. Marks has also suggested that the participants of remote viewing experiments are influenced by subjective validation, a process through which correspondences are perceived between stimuli that are in fact associated purely randomly.[27] Details and transcripts of the SRI remote viewing experiments themselves were found to be edited and even unattainable.[28][29][30]

Others have said that, the information from remote viewing sessions can be vague and include a lot of erroneous data.[13] The 1995 report for the American Institute for Research "An Evaluation of Remote Viewing: Research and Applications" by Mumford, Rose and Goslin, contains a section of anonymous reports describing how remote viewing was tentatively used in a number of operational situations. The three reports conclude that the data was too vague to be of any use, and in the report that offers the most positive results the writer notes that the viewers "had some knowledge of the target organizations and their operations but not the background of the particular tasking at hand."[13]

According to James Randi, controlled tests by several other researchers, eliminating several sources of cuing and extraneous evidence present in the original tests, produced negative results. Students were also able to solve Puthoff and Targ's locations from the clues that had inadvertently been included in the transcripts.[31]


Edited by Wombat, 28 April 2008 - 06:21 AM.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:29 AM

Wombat on Apr 27 2008, 11:06 PM, said:

Remote viewing does not exist, or at least there is absolutely no reason to believe that it exists.

I suggest that you get a basic education before you start denying science.


How rude to suggest the poster does not have a "basic education".  Science is not a religion, science works because it is constantly challenged.  Often the prevailing science is proven wrong and we advance our understanding of the world.


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Posted 28 April 2008 - 03:25 PM

BlackFrost on Apr 27 2008, 05:50 PM, said:

I have been trying to find 'remote viewing' on the forum ~ Fascinating topic.

Would like to know if anyone has some interesting experiences/comments on the subject....

and the technique used.  


Here is a small exercise from Alien Mind - A primer:

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DAY ONE

Remember, scientists write that human brainwave frequencies usually range from 5 to 30 herz (they can go lower and higher). The part of that that correlates to your resting, tranquil states are called extremely low frequency waveform, or e.l.f.'s that range from 5 to 11 herz and can pass through solids easily. So, telepathy is easily possible in such ranges [remote sensing is probably partly “scalar,” because it fluctuates more deeply inward in that resting state (it cycles “negatively,” as such), while it also connects far outwardly at the same time].

Here's a beginning exercise that I suggest often. Close your eyes and just relax. Clear your mind of all concerns. Make it a dark blank. Then raise your hand up and hold it near your head (eyes closed). Try, using the structure of the nerves in your brain (and elsewhere) to sense that hand, not visually, but its energy fluctuations. In both e.l.f. and negative cycle terms, it will register faintly. Once it registers, move it slightly. You'll be using a kind of remote sensing of it (not visual, not through the arm's wetware), and the movement vivifies the awareness. It's as though every movement pulls on a deeper, more elastic sense of time, and fluctuations. *A more vivid example is to have someone hold a baby close to you when you have your eyes closed. Using the same methods, you'll feel the baby's radiant innocence. It’s one of the most vivid experiences of the sort.

What you're actually doing is called "toh shi," in the traditional Japanese sense of the word. *Russel Targ, PhD, taught hundreds in the CIA how to do this.

   DAY TWO

Step 2: Find a place near a wall or part of your house where there’s window glass, plus metal and some wood or drywall (a kind of chalky stucco-like material in most interior walls). Now, stand or sit nearby and, using the nerves in your brain (not your eyes), "feel" the different areas, taking time to concentrate on one (i.e. the wood), then another (i.e. glass), then others. What you're doing is like tasting the elemental energy of each different material. If this is the first time you do it, you may not notice much of a difference today because it's your first "taste" of each.

However, tomorrow, after you have a memory for how each "feels" in that sense, you should begin to notice that different kinds of materials feel different to remote sensing of the sort. (Japanese call this toh shi). Different atoms in each material have a different spectrum and emit different kinds of energy, hence your ability to feel a kind of difference. Again, be sure to do this with your eyes closed so that you don't confuse it with visual information.  

You have to be able to make your mind a dark blank before trying to feel different materials in this way. Try it on different days, preferably later in the evening when you're more settled (and your brain can calm into those low frequency ranges). You'll especially notice the contrasts between two different materials in your immediate scan. Then, when you begin to feel that you can sense the feel of different materials (stick to basics like wood, metal, plastic, etc.), you can move up to bigger tasks.

For example, pick a neighbor's house and close your eyes, then feel inside to sense what materials are there. You'll then sense their shape. Don't try to guess or deduce; just let whatever you sense come into your mind. Try this at intervals later, with different enclosures or such. It's effective over distances, ironically.

And finally, remember---remote sensing of the sort takes you into a more condensed kind of physics in which minds can meet and share, communicate and form agreements. So, go with a very social sense of the larger continuum, and be on your best behavior.

Before you begin on day three, you should allow a day for your first "taste" sensing, then try it the next day. An extra day helps.  

   PART THREE –a whole different category

Part 3: If you've proceeded through the first two parts, this part is important. Again, psychologists note that when you begin to do remote sensing of the sort (or even if you merely think about an extra-sensory capacity), new dendrite connections grow in your brain between cells. Much like when you learn a foreign language, it enhances intelligence.

If you're comfortable with the previous exercises, now you should try sensing into buildings in order to do preliminary whole-body sensing of humans (their whole bodies). To different sensers, humans will appear to have different energy features. Some sensers will immediately shift into a telepathic awareness of the individuals' consciousness. Others will note a seeming collective awareness quality in the people in a given location. You can essentially stretch and change your focus/resolution when sensing people. All nerve structure has energy that "bleeds" into the environment, however subtly. If you've been doing the above exercises, you know how it appears. Some sensers may look for a seeming light, or glowing quality to the whole human body (which will be starkly more pronounced in the cranial area). You may also notice that different people can be connected, in various ways. *They may not notice that you're remotely sensing.

Of course, the same basic considerations are important: non-violation, gentleness, and no sexual manipulative impulses (they would tend to backfire, anyway). Better yet, there is a very subtle, almost elusive collective awareness, almost like a soft, soft floating microwhisper of the shared, deepest concerns, feelings, and more--common to most of the people you'll pick up on. You can tease this out, but remember: it's part of a larger social identity that other species, off-world and withal have kept close track of--probably since we evolved intelligence. So, this aspect of human awareness comes replete with highly evolved, albeit finely textured safeguards. When you sense consciousness, you participate in it. Please, don't ever tutor a violent or criminal person in your developing awareness. Unlike some other individuals, I would advise against trying to financially gain from your developing awareness because the highest forms, the more vastly, deeply connected of all human+ sensitivities branch out into equalitarian societies (and a much more equal human future, believe it or not). I'm not even religious, but this aspect is so much like g--o--d that, well...  (no gender, of course, and not singularly individual, but broadly, finely social).


I think that when you do any kind of communication energy work, it is best to understand and elevate your own motivations as much as possible. I myself have tried this exercise and did sense the energy, however for actual contact with others I use the methods I describe on my telepathy web site.

John



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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:29 PM

Sorry could anyone tell me what remote viewing actually is?


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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:30 PM

Razer on Apr 28 2008, 07:29 AM, said:

How rude to suggest the poster does not have a "basic education".

It's rather obvious, I doubt that she would deny it.

Razer on Apr 28 2008, 07:29 AM, said:

Science is not a religion, science works because it is constantly challenged.  Often the prevailing science is proven wrong and we advance our understanding of the world.

Yes, scientific issues are debated and challenged in the academic arena by people who know what they are talking about.

That is not the case here. This is not a challenge, it's just a declatarion that remote viewing exists, with no evidence to back up the declatarion.

Edited by Wombat, 28 April 2008 - 04:31 PM.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:42 PM

John A Spera on Apr 28 2008, 09:25 AM, said:

I think that when you do any kind of communication energy work, it is best to understand and elevate your own motivations as much as possible. I myself have tried this exercise and did sense the energy, however for actual contact with others I use the methods I describe on my telepathy web site.

John



John ~ Thank you for your post!   It sounds very interesting ~ I'll give it look.  I appreciate your comments ~ glad to know there are some that 'Think out of the Box".

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:47 PM

BlackFrost on Apr 28 2008, 05:42 PM, said:

John ~ Thank you for your post!   It sounds very interesting ~ I'll give it look.  I appreciate your comments ~ glad to know there are some that 'Think out of the Box".

Just because he is thinking "outside the box" doesn't mean that his views are in any way valid. In fact, operating outside the realm of reality should automatically set off an alarm in your head.

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A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
 God gave the secret, and denied it me?—
Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.

Omar Khayyam

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 05:19 PM

The Silva Mind Method and what it described as 'visualization' is one form of remote viewing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silva_Method




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Posted 28 April 2008 - 05:50 PM

Clovis on Apr 28 2008, 06:19 PM, said:

The Silva Mind Method and what it described as 'visualization' is one form of remote viewing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silva_Method

The Silva method is a ridiculous fraud.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 05:51 PM

Wombat on Apr 28 2008, 01:50 PM, said:

The Silva method is a ridiculous fraud.


I agree with you on that.



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