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Posted 30 April 2008 - 04:27 AM

So, just like the title and the Description say

what do you think about the Gryphon?

Mythalogical Creature?

Or

Real Creature that exsists/exsisted

also heres a pic i found of them, though its probably not acurate...

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 04:42 AM

Why would an animal ever needs wings AND 4 legs?
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:01 AM

Im thinking definate myth yes.gif

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:12 AM

From what I read it was probably the skull of a Protoceratops that started the myth

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:15 AM

Yep it was peiced together from a whole host of different creatures

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:20 AM

Tis a myth. Right in there with centaurs and dragons (couldn't help it, tongue.gif )

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:42 AM

It wouldnt take much to start a myth back then (early civilization), if someone found dinosaur bones and claimed it was a gryphon, centaur or dragon how would you contradict them at that time?

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 06:12 AM

Purely mythological, but beautiful - I think they're one of the most visually appealing creatures out there, to be honest. If I wasn't lazy and crap at bird heads I'd draw them a heck of a lot more. xD
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:26 AM

The composite eagle-lion gryphon is of course a complete fantasy, but were considered real in several cultures due to a combination of countless genuine sightings of real dragons (from a great distance, otherwise the viewer would probably be eaten), combined with the discovery of protoceratopsian skulls in regions haunted by dragons such as mongolia.

This is why in ancient artwork gryphons are almost always a reptilian green in color and often portrayed with dragon-like spines on ther backs and belly scutes like a dragon. People knew dragons had large claws, wings, and with the discovery of beaked skulls, dragons became a 'dragon hybrid'. Like dragons they are associated with being guardians.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:45 AM

mythical, just like centaurs, minotaurs and dragons etc.

none of these existed.
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:50 AM

draconic chronicler on Apr 30 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

The composite eagle-lion gryphon is of course a complete fantasy, but were considered real in several cultures due to a combination of countless genuine sightings of real dragons (from a great distance, otherwise the viewer would probably be eaten), combined with the discovery of protoceratopsian skulls in regions haunted by dragons such as mongolia.

This is why in ancient artwork gryphons are almost always a reptilian green in color and often portrayed with dragon-like spines on ther backs and belly scutes like a dragon. People knew dragons had large claws, wings, and with the discovery of beaked skulls, dragons became a 'dragon hybrid'. Like dragons they are associated with being guardians.

So where did the lion thing come from, then?

Seems a bit of a huge coincidence that...

Lions are guardians in china.
Bixies look feline.
You say Bixies are dragons.
You say gryphons and dragons are seen as guardians.
You say gryphons are dragons.
Gryphons are part lion.

What explains all the "feline-like" dragons?

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:59 AM

HAJiME on Apr 30 2008, 04:50 AM, said:

So where did the lion thing come from, then?

Seems a bit of a huge coincidence that...

Lions are guardians in china.
Bixies look feline.
You say Bixies are dragons.
You say gryphons and dragons are seen as guardians.
You say gryphons are dragons.
Gryphons are part lion.

What explains all the "feline-like" dragons?


No coincidence. Many depictions of european dragons are very woflike becasue this was the carnivore they were most familiar with, and anyone who 'met a dragon' usually did not come back to tell about it. The Chinese were very familiar with tigers, and also knew dragons had dangerous clawed feet and sharp teeth, so it was natural that their dragons sometimes took on feline attributes. But as we have seen, some 'bixies' do not look feline at all. Why the difference? The records state that some dragons were friendly, and even civil servants were paid to tend visiting ones. Therefore the realistic dragonesque bixies were based on an artist seeing a freindly dragon up close. Artists who only had tigers as a carnivore model, often gave the 'dragon' very feline characteristics. It is all very logical and neatly explains the archaeological record of the so-called 'bixie'. And I would add that this dragon bixie is not a specific tomb guardian statue, but was simply the popular way dragons were depicted in china over 2000 years ago, becasue they appear on military belt buckles, imperial seals, etc.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 10:42 AM

You didn't answer my question.
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Posted 30 April 2008 - 11:18 AM

HAJiME on Apr 30 2008, 05:42 AM, said:

You didn't answer my question.


Sure I did. In the simplist terms, Chinese artists who had not seen a real dragon close up, gave them attributes of the fiercest carnivore they were actually familiar with, large felines.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 02:09 PM

No, you did not.

HAJiME on Apr 30 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

So where did the lion thing come from, then?

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