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#1    Mortiis

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 03:53 AM

Hi all, my name's Scott. This is my first post to this here forum, and hopefully everyone
will welcome me!

I am an author, been writing now consistently for over twenty years, and I have recently
decided to begin research for a huge multi-volume fantasy series which I am going to be
writing, set in Australia and New Zealand.

The thing is, information on Pre-Maori history here in my country (NZ) is very hard to come
by, even in this day and age of the internet!

If anyone has some information or site links that they could post up which they think might
be of use, please do!

Cheers!

Scott
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 04:13 AM

Ask some of the Maori there. I have never heard of a group of people there before them. thats my 2 cents, sorry could not be more help.


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Posted 19 May 2008 - 04:27 AM

Mortiis on May 19 2008, 03:53 AM, said:

Hi all, my name's Scott. This is my first post to this here forum, and hopefully everyone
will welcome me!

I am an author, been writing now consistently for over twenty years, and I have recently
decided to begin research for a huge multi-volume fantasy series which I am going to be
writing, set in Australia and New Zealand.

The thing is, information on Pre-Maori history here in my country (NZ) is very hard to come
by, even in this day and age of the internet!

If anyone has some information or site links that they could post up which they think might
be of use, please do!

Cheers!

Scott
x


Hahaha, the Maori people here will ALWAYS consider themselves first, but scientific and forensic proof
actually paints a very different picture. They may have been the first colonized people here, but they were
certainly not the FIRST arrived.

Any more help?? Anyone!?

Edited by Mortiis, 19 May 2008 - 04:27 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2008 - 05:43 AM

I, personally, would have no idea. But you should try going to your local library there might be something hopefully..

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 06:14 AM

Mortiis on May 19 2008, 05:27 AM, said:

Hahaha, the Maori people here will ALWAYS consider themselves first, but scientific and forensic proof
actually paints a very different picture. They may have been the first colonized people here, but they were
certainly not the FIRST arrived.

Any more help?? Anyone!?

Hey, that's a good idea, or WOULD be if we didn't live in such a secretive country that likes hiding
behind everything. Every bit of New Zealand's history is hidden behind all kinds of walls, and it's
hard to find anything which is concrete!



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Posted 19 May 2008 - 07:21 AM

You are, perhaps, referring to the Moriori?

There seems to be no evidence these people ever colonised the 'mainland' of New Zealand before the Maori, and I can find no other speculation about earlier indigenous peoples.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 08:42 AM

Hi Scott,


There are a few things to get you started.  


Apparently there is a wall that has stirred up all sorts of drama. It's called the kaimanawa wall, as it's in the kaimanawa ranges in the Waikato. Look further into it and you'll find some interesting stuff. The local maori are highly protective of the area for the obvious reason. Someone I know made a doco on the subject of pre-maori NZ and explained that the local tribes go to some pretty serious lengths to keep people away.

http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/phot...um=5&pos=14

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf107/sf107p00.htm

There's a researcher who put out a book about a decade ago who believed that the phonetician's made it here way back in the day. He reckoned he found some carvings on some hill next to lake Taupo that left him convinced.  If you look around you'll probably be able to find the book. Here's a link

http://www.kilts.co.nz/mitancient_2.htm

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/Bes&Taranis.htm


Hope that gets you started. Good luck!

Edited by Kereru, 19 May 2008 - 09:00 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2008 - 09:25 AM

Mortiis on May 19 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

Hahaha, the Maori people here will ALWAYS consider themselves first, but scientific and forensic proof
actually paints a very different picture. They may have been the first colonized people here, but they were
certainly not the FIRST arrived.

Any more help?? Anyone!?


You clearly understand very little about the supposed evidence of pre-Maori peoples on NZ. I suggest reading Oddzone by Vicki Hyde which explores the alternative archeaology of NZ in depth and rationally. NOTHING at all has been found which suggests anyone was here before the Maori, and if there's no evidence you don't have a theory. Do not go around waving your silly nosense based on dubious sources as fact. Until convinced otherwise, the Maori arrived first. ALL the evdence supports that.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 04:07 PM

Undeadskeptic on May 19 2008, 04:25 AM, said:

You clearly understand very little about the supposed evidence of pre-Maori peoples on NZ. I suggest reading Oddzone by Vicki Hyde which explores the alternative archeaology of NZ in depth and rationally. NOTHING at all has been found which suggests anyone was here before the Maori, and if there's no evidence you don't have a theory. Do not go around waving your silly nosense based on dubious sources as fact. Until convinced otherwise, the Maori arrived first. ALL the evdence supports that.

I agree, there isn't any 'credible' evidence anyone was in New Zealand prior to the Polynesian voyages between AD 800 and 1300... IMO


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Posted 20 May 2008 - 08:07 AM

Pax Unum on May 20 2008, 04:07 AM, said:

I agree, there isn't any 'credible' evidence anyone was in New Zealand prior to the Polynesian voyages between AD 800 and 1300... IMO


Don't bother with opinion bro, you're absolutely right. There is no evidence for this moronic theory. It's possible that, hypothetically, it was seen/observed by some other culture at one point before that but otherwise no evidence = its just silly rubbish.


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Posted 20 May 2008 - 10:34 PM

I think the question here is what are the motives of the op

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 12:03 AM

My previous exploration on the topic...

http://book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-190628.html#190628


Or this site I just found...

http://www.rexgilroy.com/uru_chapter14.html

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http://www.rexgilroy.com/

http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/Mysteri...a_Homepage.html

Edited by crystal sage, 22 May 2008 - 12:06 AM.


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Posted 22 May 2008 - 12:15 AM

Could there be a link between the Uru civilization and that or Ur?

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/si...le_east/ur.html

Maybe the Uru's were pre Ur or part of the Lemuria civilization.. Look at the puzzling history fo Micronesia..

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread98945/pg2

Micronesian Islands Colonized By Small-bodied Humans
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/...80310151958.htm

Edited by crystal sage, 22 May 2008 - 01:00 AM.


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Posted 22 May 2008 - 05:20 PM

We're talking about NZ, which is next to Australia... right?  Um.. didn't people start inhabiting Australia at least 50,000 years ago, and why would they just ignore NZ, which was accessible by a land bridge back then... I'm confused.

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 10:55 PM

There are rumors of many pre Maori peoples living in New Zealand.,..

Chinese mining of iron, greenstone, silver and gold in pre-Maori New Zealand

http://www.1421.tv/pages/evidence/content.asp?EvidenceID=263

The Kaimanawa Wall

Evidence of pre Maori civilizations?

http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread263830/pg1


http://www.celticnz.co.nz/AucklandAlignment4.htm

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There were, at least, three distinct physical types of Patu-paiarehe living in New Zealand, ranging from the very tall people (around 7 to 8 feet in height...2.4 metres), to people of normal stature, to the very small white pygmy people with golden-white hair and large blue eyes. The small stature Turehu were a particularly attractive childlike people with very fine features and they are referred to as "Te Whanau O Rangi" (the people of heaven) in Maori oral tradition. These small people once populated countries like Ireland and traditions concerning their occupation of the Pacific range from Tahiti to New Caledonia to New Zealand.


Edited by crystal sage, 22 May 2008 - 10:59 PM.





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