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#1    Gazz

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 03:09 PM

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When will this insanity end?

I can't believe that my own country is
at war with islamic terrorists and seek
nothing less than wiping them from the
face of Earth.

Meanwhile on the other hand we (the USA)
Are demanding that the Israelis sit at
the table and make peace with these same Islamic terrorists.

Who the hell are we to tell them how they
should or should not defend themselves?

Maybe Bush should live by his own rule
given to the Israelis and sit down for
peace discussions with Osama Bin Laden?

I say the Israelis should be free to
defend themselves anyway they choose,
if that means bulding a wall around
their tiny nation so be it!

REMOVED line, taken out of context,
meant to make a bold point and failed.

We cannot dictate to Israel when we are
doing exactly what they want to do to
defend their own nation.

Who the hell are we to think that our
cause in this "war on terror" is somehow
better or more just than theirs?

No wonder so much of the world is growing
to hate the USA, Hell I can't even
understand our international positions
anymore.

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Edited by Gazz, 24 February 2004 - 01:40 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2004 - 03:43 PM

I cant believe some people are dumb enough to believe their god would want them to blow themselves up and take out innocent people with them . Were does it say anything about this in the koran ?  huh.gif  

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 04:58 PM

Gazz, you might be right, but you shouldn't call them animals. They are humans as well  whistling2.gif

Xeno, jihad is written in the Koran. It is not holy war as those terrorists preach to the suicide bombers, but it means 'to strive'. In fact if you use 'holy war' as the translation for jihad, a lot of quran sentences will not make any sense.

Muslims may not start a war, it is unholy and it is written in the Koran.

Each time they kindle the fire of war, Allah extinguishes it. They rush about the earth corrupting it. Allah does not love corrupters.

War is justified, but only for self defence (so they are allowed to kill US soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan, but not in the US)

Fight in the Way of God against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. God does not love those who go beyond the limits.

And may be one of the misused verse:

Jihad against the disbelievers with your hands and tongues.

So if you put 'strive' as jihad, it sounds more like what Christian evangelists are doing right now.


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Posted 22 February 2004 - 05:47 PM

  exactly what I meant , I was referring to why would these people believe their god would want this . I already knew what the koran says ( but thanks anyway for posting it ) It doesnt say in the koran to go blow yourself up to obtain 72 virgins ... do al quaeda terrorists even read their own religious text ? huh.gif  WTF ? tongue.gif  

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 06:09 PM

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Meanwhile on the other hand we (the USA)
Are demanding that the Israelis sit at
the table and make peace with these same
Islamic animals.


You mean like how they use tanks to run over refugee camps and stuff like that? huh.gif Yeah that's...really socking it to the...terrorists as you put it disgust.gif

The Israeli government's actions make me sick...but at the very least, terrorist activity from Palistine is just that...terrorist activity...the atrocities commited by the Israelis is actually carried out by the approval and order of their government.

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 06:24 PM

I am sorry if I have offended anyone
with my post, I gave in to my own anger
and frustration, and it made me call
a whole culture of humanity animals.

That was wrong and totally unfair.

I am in some ways simpathetic to the
Palistinians, I just have a hard time
with our own US leadership dictating
to the Israelis how they should handle
their own threats of terrorism while
the USA is in an all out war with the
same radical Islamic elements.

I do not believe all Muslims are bad.
and if I gave that impression I am really
sorry.

I think the enemy is on both sides in
any conflict... and that enemy is always
pure evil lust to kill.

Gazz

Edited by Gazz, 22 February 2004 - 06:25 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2004 - 07:29 PM

Hey Gazz, don't kick yourself too hard. Every religion has a radical faction that will bastardize the teachings to suit thier purpose. The christians have done it, the Jewish faith has done it (not very often) and muslims have done it. The problem is when you get a leader like OBL, who can convince others that His interpatation of the Koran is the correct one, then you get suicide bombers that are willing to die for what they believe.

My question has always been "what if....?"  What if they are all wrong and there is no God, no afterlife, no nothing except death. I'd be pretty pissed off to find I blew myself up for no reason.

PLEASE NOTE. I am not knocking anyones beliefs. I have my own. I just asked a What If question.

But it is a very sad state of affairs that people are willing to kill others to make a point.  


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Posted 23 February 2004 - 01:52 AM

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I blew myself up for no reason.


sucks for them . They actually did blow themselves up for no reason , even assuming the islamic faith is the correct one they have a bad interpretation of the koran ... they would be punished for blowing up innocents in the afterlife !  tongue.gif  laugh.gif  tongue.gif  

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 04:36 AM

So long as the Irsealis continue to commite their acts of genocide against the Palistinian people, murdering thousands including children to make living space (a concept Hitler made famous) for Isreali settlers, we cannot claim that it is outragous for the Palistinians to defend themselves. The Palistines use bombs, the Isleasis use death camps(a concept Hitler made famous),tanks and missles, both kill military and civilian targets, why should one be condemned a terrorist and not the other simply because his method of killing is less technolgically advanced.

The Iseali's are the ones occupying another country and massacaring its people, who have every right to defend themselves.

Do not compare the Palistinian fight to liberate their country from a vicious tyranical oppressor with Bin Laden who commits acts of terror against civilians in countries which have no quarrel with his nation because of some insane religious belief.

By supporting the "building a wall around their tiny nation" your supporting them retaining the land seized in their invasion of their neigbourss and by supporting the "bombing the Palistinians into oblivion" you are supporting the complete annihalation of a people who have done nothig to warrant the attack and occupation of their fascist neighbour. The acts you voice your support for are no different that had Hitler wiped out the entire populations of the nations who fought against his occupation of their nations in WW2.

Edited by Talon S., 23 February 2004 - 04:44 AM.

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 05:39 AM

One more thing, US is not fighting against muslim extreemist. Saddam Hussein is a secular leader, not a fundamentalist.


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Posted 23 February 2004 - 07:00 AM

Gazz,

   with your first post, i agree with 99% percent of everything you said there (1% because no one is perfect).


Jews have taken sh** for 2000 years and now they're defending themselves and everyone dissaproves of it. Remember when the peace treaty was on for a few months and guess who broke it, the Palistinians so who's the aggressor

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 07:12 AM

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with your first post, i agree with 99% percent of everything you said there (1% because no one is perfect).


Jews have taken sh** for 2000 years and now they're defending themselves and everyone dissaproves of it. Remember when the peace treaty was on for a few months and guess who broke it, the Palistinians so who's the aggressor


Your completely ignoring the fact that the Isreali's invaded Palistane, subjegated its people and started placing them in camps. If Hitler had taken you over in WW2 and begun placing you in camps would you not resist?

Am I the only person who read the line "bombing the Palistinians into oblivion" which is giving the go ahead on an act of genocide.

Dowdy and Gozz, you should ashamed of yourselves. NOTHING makes genocide acceptable, and if you think it is then you should go back to Nazi Germany where your attitudes belong.

Your beleifs show nothing but contempt for human life, civil rights, the priniciples men and women died fighting the Nazi's for, and over whelming racism against the Palastinian people.

Edited by Talon S., 23 February 2004 - 07:13 AM.

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 07:22 AM

I mean your arguement seems to be, kill all Palistines we sort out Isreals' problems.... hmmm didn't Hitler think killing all Jews would sort out Europe's economic problems too?

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 07:28 AM

There does seem to be an amazing lack of education as to what's actually going on over there dontgetit.gif I remember this exact same debate started in other forums I've been to, and so many people thought it was a great idea to just nuke Palistine, and kill every man woman and child living there...

Doesn't anyone remember that it's their country? And the land was literally stolen from them to set up the Israili state in the first place huh.gif  

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 07:32 AM

well killing all the palestinians or killing all the jews would actually sought things out:P but as that is unrealistic, i say pushing for peace is the only thing possible, the Palestinians are jut going to have to accept the Jews aren't going to move out, and the Jews are going to have to realise that they aren't helping the cause with their little plans which scream irony.  





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