[kidchaos]

The Maharaja on Jun 3 2008, 11:59 PM, said:

1./ A mature "American" university teacher would choose something more intellectual than that,
2./If your a american why do you need other people to tell you how to fix your error's? you should know this already
3./I might still be young be i dare say that im more profesional than you for instance i don't make up false stories to get attention on the internet
4./I am asian i know about the Aswang myth if you had all the equipment that you claim laptops, ect you should have proof

1. Ok. The name Kidchaos is far inferior to the name The Maharaja. Sorry for my lack of creativity.
2. Ok. I need people to tell me my mistakes in order for me to fix them, review them. It would be blind pride to say I did not make any mistakes. And id be a fool to say im a perfect American. And again, it’s not "a American" but you need to edit that to "an American". Subject verb agreement.
3. Ok. I envy your youth and I accept your view of you being more professional than I am. It’s your right to say so and I respect that.
4. Ok. If you read, I did say I was not prepared for that experience, my fault. I still don’t have proof. I am now desperate to prove this because I need to know, and my personal research has almost exhausted my finances. I am posting this on the net not to gain "popularity" as you say but to know what people who know about this knows. To see what I may have overlooked. To learn what books do not teach. To view how others view the situation, from critic, believer, and skeptics.

Pls there is really no need to target me on this. I am not the topic. But I appreciate your post, thank you.

This post has been edited by kidchaos: 04 June 2008 - 01:26 AM

[kidchaos]

j_19n on Jun 3 2008, 11:00 PM, said:

Well im also from Philippines and i was born in the city. Personally i never had an experience about it. But most of the people and elders from provinces that i met was telling me same stories about those creepy entities. Some are saying that aswang can be a shapeshifter from a human to cat, bird(TIKTIK), dog, snake etc. Some are saying they are just like us but they act differently they don't socialize so much and once they spotted a funeral, they don't blink their eyes, they just keep staring all day long untill they could sneak the dead body and suck their blood or steal their body organs .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aswang

Yes, that is true. That seems to be part of the common lore in your country. Even the beautiful beaches of Boracay has their share of this. But there is an inconsistency on the lore. About the Tiktik, some say that it is not the Aswang itself while others claim it to be.

I can not say if i did really hear that distinct noise that this Tiktik should have made (it was suppposed to make a tiktik kind of sound) on that night, you see if you try something sort of an experiment and being baised as a skeptic it is really easy to disregarding things that should have been obvious. And now i'm not so sure.

I do not want to have to go thru all of that again, not without any military or the national guards present with me.


Yes there is something sort of ghoulish about this Aswang like what you said, but i found out that there is another sort of Supernatural entity that is a counter part of "ghouls" in your country. Most of the times these two supernatural entities are mixed up in the stories. But im a foreigner in your country, so what do i know other than what old books
and stories your country men would tell me? You may be right on this one, i never pursuited this considering that point of view. Thanks.

I do not want to have to go thru all of that again, not without any military or the national guards present with me.

[jedsterg]

Another name for the Aswang besides Tik Tik is Wak Wak. did you hear anything of that sort? could you try to explain what the sound that you heard was like, could you compare it to any known animals for example?

Another monster that gets confused with the aswang alot is the Mananangal, they say its a woman with half a body who flies with her organs hanging out or something. im not too familiar with the legend behind it but people normaly refer to the aswang and the mananangal as the same thing in their stories.

[The Maharaja]

kidchaos on Jun 4 2008, 01:22 AM, said:

1. Ok. The name Kidchaos is far inferior to the name The Maharaja. Sorry for my lack of creativity.
2. Ok. I need people to tell me my mistakes in order for me to fix them, review them. It would be blind pride to say I did not make any mistakes. And id be a fool to say im a perfect American. And again, it’s not "a American" but you need to edit that to "an American". Subject verb agreement.
3. Ok. I envy your youth and I accept your view of you being more professional than I am. It’s your right to say so and I respect that.
4. Ok. If you read, I did say I was not prepared for that experience, my fault. I still don’t have proof. I am now desperate to prove this because I need to know, and my personal research has almost exhausted my finances. I am posting this on the net not to gain "popularity" as you say but to know what people who know about this knows. To see what I may have overlooked. To learn what books do not teach. To view how others view the situation, from critic, believer, and skeptics.

Pls there is really no need to target me on this. I am not the topic. But I appreciate your post, thank you.

Please believe me i'm not targeting you i'm simply pointing out the fact that your story has more holes in it than swiss cheese, this creates the impression that the story is a fabrication,
for example you said that you were not prepeared which is fair enough, but the "Korean students" and the professor brought laptop's yet failed to bring any recording devices, that seems very strange to me.
Any investigater regardless of his/her field always carries some form of recording device. Its the first rule of field work

This post has been edited by The Maharaja: 04 June 2008 - 06:17 PM

[Otterclaw]

Lovely read! I really enjoyed that, although it sent shivers up my spine. That would certainly be an experiance I would not wish to go through, but amazing all the same. The truely interesting cryptids seem to be the ones that get the least attention. (Anyone a little sick of Nessie, yet?)

Keep us posted, and if anyone has any other tales of it, do share!

[kidchaos]

The Maharaja on Jun 4 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

Please believe me i'm not targeting you i'm simply pointing out the fact that your story has more holes in it than swiss cheese, this creates the impression that the story is a fabrication,
for example you said that you were not prepeared which is fair enough, but the "Korean students" and the professor brought laptop's yet failed to bring any recording devices, that seems very strange to me.
Any investigater regardless of his/her field always carries some form of recording device. Its the first rule of field work

Thank you for the insight. i appreciate you pointing that out. Im sorry if you undestood it like that, what i meant to write is that i was the one with the laptop, prof JM didnt have a laptop, not that im aware of. I barely know those Korean kids. You are right, we should have brought recording devices. it's just that it all first came to me as a practical joke and i never took it seriusly. i bought my laptop due to the fact that i had to finish and polish the grades.
But really. thank you for pointing that out.

[kidchaos]

jedsterg on Jun 4 2008, 04:38 PM, said:

Another name for the Aswang besides Tik Tik is Wak Wak. did you hear anything of that sort? could you try to explain what the sound that you heard was like, could you compare it to any known animals for example?

Another monster that gets confused with the aswang alot is the Mananangal, they say its a woman with half a body who flies with her organs hanging out or something. im not too familiar with the legend behind it but people normaly refer to the aswang and the mananangal as the same thing in their stories.

yes. i have heard of the wakwak- i think that most of the people that calls this supernatural creature by this name are the people from the middle regions of the country. Visayas area. thought i need to read again on that fact. I am really sory about the sound, i cant compare is because i really doubt that i heard really anything at all that night. im still skeptical about it. but i think it was like a crow. Im not sure if crows fly or are active at night. are they?

The manananggal huh? hmm i have stumbles upon that lore and story several times as i interviewd people from the provinces, right now i chose to work in the northern part, LUZON area, because its more practical, last time i went to the VISAYA, i got my credit card maxed out and my checking account overdrafted. But going back to that mananangal thing, it does sound gruesome, to much that i really cant beleive it. but then again, what i have beleived in has been put to test lately. and you are right, there are similarities between the two supernatural beings.

This post has been edited by kidchaos: 05 June 2008 - 10:17 PM

[kidchaos]

Otterclaw on Jun 5 2008, 12:25 AM, said:

Lovely read! I really enjoyed that, although it sent shivers up my spine. That would certainly be an experiance I would not wish to go through, but amazing all the same. The truely interesting cryptids seem to be the ones that get the least attention. (Anyone a little sick of Nessie, yet?)

Keep us posted, and if anyone has any other tales of it, do share!

it was frightening... the last time i felt that scared was when i was still a kid and my dad was watching nightmare on elm street on tape as a late night movie...

[Max.L]

kidchaos on Jun 3 2008, 09:23 AM, said:

in 2006, January- I was invited as a spoke person for the National Historical Institute in the Philippines, more of a guest that a speaker, since all I did was give comments and ideas to local professors and educators. Then I was invited again at the University of the University for the same purpose. There I met Professor J.M. (I will hide his initials because that is the legal thing to do since I did not ask permission to mention his name in this letter) this fellow teaches and deans over at another university; Polytechnique University of the Philippines (PUP); the full six floor for the Arts Bachelor Of History was under his wing. (pls understand that I need to be limited in these information for legal reasons as well. This is where it all started.

After my appearance in PUP the good professor gave me a contract for 3 years to teach at both universities which he was greatly affiliated with which I delightfully signed, then he introduce me to the countries local history and folklore, he claims that in his own words "old world demons and monsters still exist". Naturally there was a small debate between us. Then out of my rumbunctiosness, I told him we should do an investigative study on that since he was so sure about this. It was a bluff because I got the idea that he was joking or simply testing my mantle as a professional. To my dismay it was not.

I went back to the states by Feb. to teach and file a leave with my university and by June I went back to teach in the Philippines. From June to August, I never heard of the investigative study that I proposed with professor J.M. In early September was when he approached me, I have already forgotten about it altogether, he said that we will do not need to go far for this little experiment, he said that it was within the next city, which he said was at least an hour drive away. I agreed. We would go to this residential house by 7:00 pm and would spend the night there. I was poorly prepared, I did not take him seriously, and he picked me up at my condominium unit with me carrying a lap top. in his SUV there were other people that I later learned as students in PUP and were Koreans. He gave us some papers to read regarding our subject, an "ASWANG". the paper included references from religious books and folklore. It was described on those texts and my impression was it was their local version of vampires and boogeyman crossbreed. It said that it had a taste for pregnant women, fetuses, old dying people, and babies. It was utter nonsense to me at first. we arrived at a residential subdivision in Quezon City; the village is strangely enough named. "TEACHER'S VILLAGE". it was near the U.P. and to note, U.P also has a village next to this one. the village name was given to it by a previous president Ferdinand Marcos to teachers. (the rest is history on this topic). The house was owned by a family of 3, they were well-off. it was a 1 floor house. their daughter was pregnant. A student of professor J.M. I never got the connection, nor did I understood why we stayed there, I just went along with what I presumed was a practical Joke by the Prof. Past around 11 pm we were discussing and sharing views about ancient beliefs in the supernatural and possible scientific explanation to this, the discussion was long, it was mostly a dialogue between me and the prof with the 2 Korean nodding heads once in a while, we spoke English most of the time because I do not understand the local language, Korean nor Filipino. The talks went on till 2 am. the professor was showing a video of cult practices and ethnical shamanism in the country, all historical and documentation in nature which he was incorporating to the topic which was the ASWANG.

Then it came, at 2am, the professor turned down the audio and demanded us to keep silent and to listen, he wanted us to hear. and we heard, to me it was a crowing of some sort of bird, like a giant crow or a macaw.
The professor said that it was the TIKTIK, he claims that to local folklore these were familiars (assistants) or accomplices to the ASWANG. I thought him crazy. then a loud crash on the roof top, then heavy footsteps, walking from here to there. it was a cat it need to weight an at least 100 lbs to make such a ruckus on galvanized iron roofing. it was walking from left to right, back and front, you could count the steps made which is unbelievable, it took only like 5 steps from the far left end of the roofing to the other end, compared to what I can do which is at least 20 long strides. and it took at lease 3 steps from back to front. me being a normal 6 feet American would do this with8 long strides. I wasn’t afraid, not yet. after a couple of more rounds of it walking around. we heard the most agonizing scratching that I ever heard, I imagine that it was trying to claw its way thru. if you run a blunt knife at a mirror, you multiply that sound3 folds. then it stopped. next was the most horrifying thing I had ever. The whole roof was booming! it was trying to pry the roof above our heads! and the roof, as galvanized as it shook to the core. I didn’t know what to think, it was no way possible. I was thinking this was a prank, over and over again. a few more hours the neighbors turned their houses lights on and went out to investigate with flash lights and butcher knifes and the likes, we could see them out the house. they were calling at the owner of the house with language I didn’t understand, but you’d pick up the word "Aswang" repeated. I didn’t realized I was afraid until I ran out of the house, I later found out that the Koreans ran with me and also professor J.M. There surrounded by the locals who were doing a not so bad English welcomed me and tried to explain the situation, they said that this has been going on for a week now as they noticed. by 4 the local cops arrived, tried to pacify everyone in the area, I kept quiet, (trust me, if you’re a foreigner in a foreign land it’s always best to keep quiet and let the locals do their business). I learned from the local informant people that this would be the 3rd report that they had connected to this house and incident, saying that it was first thought that a burglar was trying to get into the house. later that morning I checked the house and that’s when I found that the roof was galvanized G.I. steel. I also learned from the locals and their folklore that this was a common thing among houses that sheltered pregnant women, newly born, or old dying people.

I and Prof J.M. are in good terms, though im still not convinced regarding that incident about the Aswang. This is my last year here in the Philippines and I plan to do further research on this. I went back to Roanoke last May to bid my love ones and colleague goodbye.

You see the reason as to why I never made this official.
I went back last week to settle my finances with my bank. Obviously this endeavor that im working on is causing me great financial lost. Im have been researching, investigating this all over this country and has found nothing more than tell-tale signs, stories and folklore as good as the next town can offer.
If you know anything about this or has something to share, your hypothesis and comments is greatly appreciated.

Without photos or videos or anything , this could just story could just be made up

[kidchaos]

(SG)Max on Jun 7 2008, 03:24 PM, said:

Without photos or videos or anything , this could just story could just be made up

true. its all my fault, i should have taken the man seriusly but i didnt. and thats the depressing part. thats one reason im hell bent to learn everything i can about the subject, to prove that it might even exist, i have so far invested so much on this reasearch, find other accounts or reports of this and with that i would be able to tell everyone that what i experienced, what everyone there experienced was real, and that i am sane for wasting so much of my lifes saving on this hunt.

but i have good news. A Law professor at the PUP (Polytechnique University of the Philippines) has told me that there was a case related to the ASWANG that was recorded in a local regional court in the province of DUMAGUETE, the rough story on this was that a woman was filled with charges of multiple kidnaping and infanticide, claiming that she was an ASWANG. Gruesome as every ASWANG story is. Its either that or she is absolutely insane. Once i get this regional case report in my hands i will further investigate on this and check if she had been checked with MENTAL CONDITIONS for MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS or other medical inquiries that was done to her. for the record i had to pay $1,200 my contact just to send that report to me. I already sent the payment yesterday, ETA would be this friday. i will post what i find here. that was not an easy money to shell out but it is worth the risk, i have shellled out more than that for the remainder of my stay here in this country. I must be really mad to do that but it has been done.
Im sure my banker is ganna go hay-wire again for this transaction. But im an old man, so foolishness is forgivable, and i dont have that much time on earth to live with anyways.

pls if you have any information about the ASWANG, or any story that you could share, or any idea no matter how vague pls post. who knows, i might be overlooking an information that is already in front of me.

This post has been edited by kidchaos: 11 June 2008 - 01:22 AM

[lil gremlin]

dont know how this slipped under my radar for so long,great story, great thread.

id go for myth.....clearly a powerful one. Sounds like a very interesting place to be.

[kidchaos]

lil gremlin on Jun 13 2008, 12:23 AM, said:

dont know how this slipped under my radar for so long,great story, great thread.

id go for myth.....clearly a powerful one. Sounds like a very interesting place to be.

thanks lil grem. long time no see.

[vboytan]

Man, those things are creepy. I actually thought about trying to fight one in face to face combat. But after hearing about what it did to the roof, forget it!
Also try checking out the mananangal.

[mnemeion]

Well, I didn't know anyone would be interested in this. So here goes.

A tiktik is a bird that makes that sound when an Aswang is nearby.

A wakwak is a different being, said to roam the rice fields and forests. It is human-like beast, with a weird posture, where the head is between the legs, then chases people to eat them.

Aswang is a human who transforms into this flying giant beast that eats humans(sick,elderly,baby,pregnant/dying). Supposedly has a head of a dog or a wolf, hairy, can fly, has supernatural powers.

As a local, I've head of numerous accounts right here on our neighborhood. BTW, the Teachers Village is not that far away from ours, just an hour away.

My personal experience is when me and my cousin from the city where having a drink in our terrace. Our house was elevated since the neighborhood was once a vast, hill forest. It was around eleven, we were tipsy then but not drunk. From the terrace you could see the vast number of houses below. It was very dark, the night was very quiet, and there was not a bit of wind. I finished my bottle so I made fun of him by scaring him, telling him ghost stories about our place. Then I stopped because this scary feeling came over me. My cousin also stopped laughing, I could see in his face he felt it too. Then the silence of the night was broken by the barking of dogs from far away. The barkings was from our far right, then the barks kept coming closer and closer to us, making a half circle towards us, at a very fast rate, until it got so close my cousin jumped of the chair and ran into our house. (Its funny how city people say these things aren't real, but then something happens and they run away like children.) It was a very scary feeling, but I waited a few moments where the barkings stopped a few houses away from ours before I myself ran inside.

There are many story about sightings, like the loud scratchings and walking sounds on the roofs. There is one particular story about an aswang attack in our neighborhood that is true that even the police know about this, since they were the ones who found the body the next morning. What happened was there was a woman, I can't remember if she was pregnant. She was walking in the middle of the night, then she started screaming "ASWANG! ASWANG!" and shouted for help. But the screech of the Aswang was much louder, which of course horrified the people. That is why they did nothing. All through the night they could hear the young woman's screams, until finally it stopped. The relatives of the woman moved away, and then no one talked about this unless asked.

Also, there was an incident last year in Sapang Palay(Swamp Fields) about a couple of kids playing under a mango tree around dusk, when suddenly a big creature from the top of a tree swooped down, grabbed a child, then flew away. The news spread, until finally a TV show investigated it, they were said to be psychics doing psychic stuff to haunted places, telling the stories, then trying to exorcise them away. So these paranormal crew visited the rural area. There was a crowd where they parked, and as soon as they came out of the van, you could see through their faces they were scared like hell. A couple of walks and interviews to the kids then the Head of the psychics called their crew to leave and drove away fast. After a few kilometers away, the leader explained that he had spoken to the leader of the Aswang telephatically, explaining why one of them took a child. They eat humans only on their rituals and festivals, and defended that if humans ate pigs and cows, why was it wrong that they ate humans. The leader explained that the reason he fled was because there were a number of aswangs hiding behind the crowd, and that he was only concerned for his crew, since it was getting dark. That village is thirty minutes away from our house.

Another show featured another alleged aswang family in the famous Siquijor. The host was in the pulic market asking questions, and since he was famous, he was crowded by fans. The people were mostly telling stories, not details, and when one was about to spill, everyone went silent as a lamb. The host was confused at the silence, so one farmer whispered to him, "One of them is watching us." The camera looked around for suspicious people and found no one. At the end of the show, they showed the supposed house of the aswang family.

For anyone who is looking for any research or interviews about Aswangs, there was a thesis conducted by an undgrad student from LaSalle University. The story goes that there was a man with his daughter living in a hut deep in the secluded forest(I forgot where) almost a hundred years ago. I also forgot the details but what happened was the father after finding out his daughter was an aswang, he drew his bolo(large dagger or small sword) and struck her in the neck. Now, the interviewer visited the hut and found a young girl living there. The student asked her permission for an interview, she said it was okay. Recorded on a tape, the girl told the story of about her father, explaining how she got her scar on her neck. When the student realized this, he quickly finished the interview and left just before nightfall. When he presented his thesis to the panel, everyone was shocked, except the student, to hear the low barking of a dog after every question of the student.

Another interesting story I heard was about a man in the Northern province. The man's wife left him and went to the mountains without saying why. So the husband asked his wife's relative to follow her. So the relative guided him to the mountains into a cave deep in the Northern Mountains. Inside the cave there was a deep and dark hole where a large and old rope lay hanging. Both of them climbed down the rope. The man was shocked to see a large village underground, and there seemed to be a festival. He found his wife there, along with many people who was said to have weird faces, especially the eyes. Seeing the place, the man realized what she was and where he had gone into. The story goes that the wife asked him if he would like to stay with her, the man said no. But the man asked if she would stay with him above, she said yes. The wife's father objected at first but later agreed at the condition that the man would bring pigs every once in a while to the guide. The man agreed and was then taken up along with his wife.

A warning to those who seek the Aswangs. They alwaysknow when someone is looking for them. That is how they survived. It's all about learning how to co-exist.

[vboytan]

Is it possible to meet one and make peace w/ it? Maybe even become a friend?

Are they born like that, or were they human once?

Do you know any anti aswang stuff?

Lol, are any of you an aswang?