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#16    seax

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Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:41 AM

Hello puridalan,

Hope you are well.  

I'm a little confused, but please elaborate a little more on living in more than one plane.  

I am not familiar with that theory.

When I refer to death, I mean of the physical body--I believe the soul goes on to it's intended destination.  

Thank you for your response.  I look forward to your explanation.


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Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:47 AM

The physical body is 'gone' in some manner yes, but the soul can still sit there. Most assume that you will go straight to heaven or hell or in some 'direction' But I know that it isn't true you hope that it happens, but many of us are still clueless as when we were alive to when we are dead. We want to believe that once we are dead everything makes sense and BOOM perfecto. No, we still have our questions after death, we still have our emotions attached, we still feel. We feel happy, sad, angry...we feel that when we are dead.

The term irony and oxymoron (condtradictories in general) are my favorite words because they explain this so wonderfully

You've ever heard the saying death=life

Well it's because they do, some people have to find themselves in different times and places that means in death, in life or many other lives or deaths

The other planes refers to 'ghosts' being on a higher plane and having mediums to 'talk' with them in order to 'hear' them, but they are not as far as humans would like to imagine, just has heaven or something of that nature must be 903490234 light years away...sometimes the closeness of the situation boggles the mind, thus we like to spread it out to make it appear larger than it is.

But if simplicity is the key to life, than wouldn't you think it would change the shape? ha-ha


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Posted 08 June 2008 - 01:21 PM

Hello Puridalan,

I see what you are saying now, thanks for the explanation.  I have often wondered, how ghost or spirits could exhist if you either go to heaven or hell.  I have always heard some people have unfinished business or they just refuse to move on.  I have never been in contact with a medium, I have seen one apparition that scared the hell out of me, or I am assuming that is what it was, anyway it scared the hell out me.  Mom always told me if I was a bad boy the devil would get me, so maybe I had a warning!  Thanks for the post.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 01:03 PM

I suggest you guys read the following: SECRET TEACHINGS OF ALL AGES by Manly P. Hall and THE TEMPLE OF MAN by R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz. They both can give one a viewpoint on existence that transcends reality and allows you to move in and through the gnostic consciousness of a reality that must be your next university experience.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 04:56 PM

someoldguy on Jun 7 2008, 11:21 AM, said:

The crux, as in the essence?

According to Eastern religions, it's consciousness or awareness.  Eastern religions also make a distinction between the thinking mind and consciousness or awareness, with the thinking mind being on a lower plane.

It's easy to prove really.  Though it may be hard to do every time, we can sometimes be in such a state of awareness that we can observe our own thoughts.  (That's basically what meditation is about in Eastern religions.)  But the ultimate question is then:  Who is it that observes the thoughts?


Crux = the very point of all data that relates to our conscious state of knowing we are here. If it were easy we would be much more advanced. I fear most of us suffer from Manly P. Hall's analysis of Complex Ignorance.


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Posted 14 July 2008 - 03:37 AM

Orion von Koch on Jun 4 2008, 11:31 PM, said:

What is the Crux of Being here in Time/Space??? Why Be??? What is being other than knowing you are able to think??? Why do we seek to protect the thinking form from destruction after it has thought something? What is thinking but reviewing actions to maintain the vehicle for future leveraging of the elementals of existence? Why must one be here? We seem to examine our being to become more. As we become more our vehicle erodes. As time passes the vehicle no longer can sustain the means of thinking and we slowly pass into the void. Others pick up our thoughts and and carry parts of it forward and it goes on and on. But is this only an illusion? There seems to be a distant thinker in the mix —one that drives our very being from the darkness. It is like a program that determines exactness and procedure for leveraging the elements of this information packed realm we call living. There seems to be a lot of automatic means of moving us through this realm of being. The thinking part of us seems to be in for a ride. We ride the light of this realm where everything is automatically moving into new data constantly. There is no going back under the same conditions, only forward where change is taking place with new aspects to ponder with our mind or our thinking part of this experience. Our future depends upon a proper or positive process of determining what aspects to use in the mix of past data for future leveraging of trends and conditions. The Crux of being seems to depend upon something that maintains some form of constancy that we can maintain the information float in a burgeoning echelon over the chaos potential. If chaos can rise, we are destroyed or move to a higher echelon of existence or thinking in a new environment. It is all information manipulation on our part and that of the system within which we dwell. It is always becoming.

The Crux of Being involves a multifaceted means of existence. Each part interacts with its other parts. We are parts of the whole that must be present in order to interact and perceive existence. Otherwise we do not exist. Yet, we are one collective and parts of us lose our vehicles but our knowledge interweaves with the knowledge of our other parts. We should love one another as we love ourselves for the other is us.


"Why" is simply not a fruitful question and one that is totally a human construct; a clumsy one at that dependent upon the crude understanding of the world language has subjected us to: one premised on subject - object differentiation and in which states seemingly preceed other states and are taken to be "causally" linked.

The rest of this stuff about thinking and the erosion of our vessel, the stuff about others picking up parts of it -you should look into "memes".

Perhaps biological/evolutionary paradigms can be applied to the very notion of information and ideas likened to animals inhabiting an ecosystem of thought and architectonics


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Posted 14 July 2008 - 05:32 PM

puridalan on Jun 8 2008, 12:29 AM, said:

I think you are forgetting that the 'human being' can reside on many different planes all at the same time. As if you see that the aura is not just one blob, but several different layers all communicating with eachother whether we are aware of it or not, most only seeing the one shell or condensed version rather than all of the different pieces. They may be 'located' differently, but are all working at the same time and so it may seemed as if you learned 'nothing in that life' but it's that you've already aquired the knowledge and always continue to learn that it can cause 'confusion', which ironically states clarity itself...am I making any sense?

It's not as if you are dead and everything is clear, death is still another part of life in which us 'ghosts' will continue to question our selves, it is rather the parts of the few moments in which we 'truely live' to we see so clearly as if we were dead


The Crux of Being involves a multifaceted means of existence. Each part interacts with its other parts. We are parts of the whole that must be present in order to interact and perceive existence. Otherwise we do not exist. Yet, we are one collective and parts of us lose our vehicles but our knowledge interweaves with the knowledge of our other parts. We should love one another as we love ourselves for the other is us.

The Holo-gestalt Paradigm — The Crux of Being and Becoming

Thus the theory of the leveraging of mentality held within all elementals of physical existence that pervades all the universe/s known and unknown, which means that all is wide open and readily available to the cursor of mentality. Holo means that there is a holographic representation and method to discerning in total the means of projecting a realm into existence via the elements and principles of Deity. Gestalt references the aspect of the All of mentality, which permeates all known parts of being here in Time/Space. A paradigm is a system in which some elementals can function in some order and fashion which gives said system an identity. Thus a Holo-gestalt Paradigm is used herein as a means of discerning self-knowledge of selfhood and its participants in what we discern as Life. This life then can be identified as a holographic means of creating the totality of existence in a realm that knows its parts and can feedback over these parts to the degree that all connected (direct or indirect) participants know the degree of interface for all elementals held in this massively expansive yet minuscule environ that supports being and becoming of mind along with the generation of information to be used in support of existence. It is the Crux of Being.  



Edited by Orion von Koch, 14 July 2008 - 05:40 PM.


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Posted 15 July 2008 - 03:58 PM

What is the point of being here in time/space? To be and to become. To move to a higher level. To step forward from a point of being only a YOU to becoming Gestalt or the OTHER. To reach out and join the universe and learn to love one another. To investigate and grow by learning all we can about existence here in this realm. One should be in awe of just being here. Every second that ticks by gives us a chance to become more by learning something new. One should expose themselves to new and beneficial knowledge that amplifies our mentality to higher levels of wisdom. It is the seeking that expands and gives us more. If we suffer in this pursuit it is all the more powerful in that we know all sides of the equation of quantification. If one learns the number 137 they will know the universe.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 08:01 PM

I have been reading a book about the Christian Kabbalah. It really seems to be opening up a vast new range of information that seems to suggest that the Sefirot or Tree of Life is a means of conveying the Light holographically, ergo much more sophisticated than holography, into the reality we experience as beings here. Anyway, If anyone wants to read this book It is called Gnosis of the Cosmic Christ by Tau Malachi. It sure is powerful.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 01:10 PM




hi orion,

this thread is very thought provoking. may i ask if you can share any more titles of books that share the angle of this thread. or just of an interesting spiritual nature. i love digging around in spirituality.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:28 PM

Sureley when you examine everything in enough detail, eveything becomes pointless. I mean why not just have nothing exist at all, why bother, would that not solve everything? There are many lines I have heard such as "only in death can you find peace" and the like. Basically change = conflict, but life = change. Death is no change, non existence and oblivion. (If you don't belive in any afterlife that is)
People always say that society is advancing, but what to? What purpose? To become God? To become the ultimate dominance over the universe?
I'm definateley just venting here. But is the very fact that we question our existence proof that we exist? Characters in a book might question their existence, yet there is no denying that they are just words on pages. So what if we are something similar? The whole "I think therefore I am" thing is very good, but does thought proove existence?

Ah what a pointless post.

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 06:53 AM

Gunmunky on Jul 28 2008, 09:28 PM, said:

Sureley when you examine everything in enough detail, eveything becomes pointless. I mean why not just have nothing exist at all, why bother, would that not solve everything? There are many lines I have heard such as "only in death can you find peace" and the like. Basically change = conflict, but life = change. Death is no change, non existence and oblivion. (If you don't belive in any afterlife that is)
People always say that society is advancing, but what to? What purpose? To become God? To become the ultimate dominance over the universe?
I'm definateley just venting here. But is the very fact that we question our existence proof that we exist? Characters in a book might question their existence, yet there is no denying that they are just words on pages. So what if we are something similar? The whole "I think therefore I am" thing is very good, but does thought proove existence?

Ah what a pointless post.


If you don't believe in God or spirituality, there is no point.  And if you don't believe in God, then I have to ask--why not?  There's not a single reason you can list that justifies saying "There is no God".  Without fail, if someone claims that there's no such thing as God they're just being ridiculous.  Now on the other hand if someone says they don't know if God exists, that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say.  In my opinion, it also means they should devote their lives to the search for God because that's the only possibility that will give a life real meaning.  But on the other hand, if you just want to kill time for the rest of your life and not bother thinking about things like that, that's your choice as well.  Personally though, I think our lives do have meaning.

And solving all problems by negating all existence is like removing a thorn in your toe by cutting off the entire foot.  




Remember, we are all just acting out a grand old game here, where we agree to forget who we really are, that in the remembering, that we may find each other again, and know that we are One. That All of Life, is One.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 05:25 AM

To live and propogate life, thus increasing the potentialities of the universe and  denying entropy for as long as possible. After that, what ever you desire/choose/want it to be.
Being sentient beings( which includes the ability to imagine, and create that which we can imagine), we create purpose, not only for ourselves, but for all the universe around us with which we interact.

Edited by Mr Walker, 04 August 2008 - 05:28 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 08:07 PM

There isn't a crux of being. Some will play your mind games and some simply won't or can't. Besides, starting a thread with a question but pretending to know all the answers is very boring indeed. If your posts were simple and to the point many would be more curious. The multiple paragraphs, anecdotes, & references are much too detailed to offer any truth to anyone in particular. Everything's everything's everything doesn't say much at all. I understand what you said but you cannot explain all that as having a crux. And you didn't explain anything either. You may surely lead a horse to water but it doesn't work that way.
I rather like "to be or not to be...". That in itself is straightforward and would gather better responses. You are akin to asking why is there a universe at all? Is is just is is just indulging in yourself.
Purpose is not a creation but more of a desire or need. People do not create anything, not even themselves. We intend, desire, want, build, make, destroy, uphold, grasp, etc etc etc. Create?  Haven't seen that.

Edited by devilmaycare, 16 August 2008 - 08:13 PM.

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