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Posted 22 September 2008 - 07:31 PM

devilmaycare on Aug 16 2008, 03:07 PM, said:

There isn't a crux of being. Some will play your mind games and some simply won't or can't. Besides, starting a thread with a question but pretending to know all the answers is very boring indeed. If your posts were simple and to the point many would be more curious. The multiple paragraphs, anecdotes, & references are much too detailed to offer any truth to anyone in particular. Everything's everything's everything doesn't say much at all. I understand what you said but you cannot explain all that as having a crux. And you didn't explain anything either. You may surely lead a horse to water but it doesn't work that way.
I rather like "to be or not to be...". That in itself is straightforward and would gather better responses. You are akin to asking why is there a universe at all? Is is just is is just indulging in yourself.
Purpose is not a creation but more of a desire or need. People do not create anything, not even themselves. We intend, desire, want, build, make, destroy, uphold, grasp, etc etc etc. Create?  Haven't seen that.



Soulular Travel is held within Time and can be equated with a ride at the theme park or a walk through Disneyland. This realm is full of temptation permeated with constant movement toward potential chaos. (Chaos is but unperceived unity). Its opposite is even more expansive in potential. Timelessness is the reality of this existence with Time being the dream or illusion of Godhood.   Eternity is the all-encompassing essence of the Totality (One with no second). It is the generative order or implicate unity. Mentality is multi-purposed, multifaceted, and multidimensional and can be manifest anywhere within the broadcast as a jiva.  

In thought finality, Mind is the Totality. Mind rides the expressed Light but is not reliant upon it.   Light is capable of creating the universe in illusion as a virtual reality, what some call the moirι arena or matrix. God is Mind...and Mind issues forth in God's motion -- The Enigmni. Mind moves from nothing toward everything and back via programmed feedback. Mind is the experience of existence whereby all creativity is found in a catalytic state of reinvention. It is a constancy of change. There is nothing faster than Mind, then comes Light.   Because Mind is present with Light they appear as one...they are two, but light is the expression of the Mind -- the broadcast.   One is God the other is His Means -- the Holy Spirit...the mover -- the absolute, ultimate unknowable...Enigmni.  

The First Logos or Creation is the Son; the Word catalyzes ideas into existence in sequence. The Word is REASON.   Mind is first cause with no last. ? Last is an illusion of Time, which moves as a linear aspect generated in Timelessness. Linearity can be accompanied by dimensionality.   Increased dimensionality adds complexity and solidity to Time for those who ride the Light. The more complex, and the more coherent, the hotter is the form.   Mind is not affected by any of its creations, but its creations are affected by each preceding creation that manifests in evolutional sequence.   Feedback created naturally by Mind and Light is essential to coherent knowing of each preparatory creation.   Each structural dimension created amplifies congruence, Empathy, or Love and Knowing. 137 are the number of Creation.  

Beings or mind-segments, which are attracted by each amplifying and complex organizational level, will localize in sequential fashion, from the smallest atomic structure to the most complex becoming dissipative structures of unlimited possibilities.   Thus is the spiral of creation, the climb to amplified bemanship.   Mind is uniformly everywhere, everything, and Eternal.   Mind is the atmosphere of be-ness.   Humanity is represented by a multitude of structural levels animated by total mentality within holo-faceted soulular bodies.   Light creates the illusion of body and its programs of DNA supply the variety.   Mind selects the product based on cause and consequence.   Mind is God.   Man is a part of God.   God is the Whole. There is nothing else.  




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Posted 27 September 2008 - 01:54 AM

Orion von Koch on Jun 5 2008, 12:31 AM, said:

What is the Crux of Being here in Time/Space??? Why Be??? What is being other than knowing you are able to think??? Why do we seek to protect the thinking form from destruction after it has thought something? What is thinking but reviewing actions to maintain the vehicle for future leveraging of the elementals of existence? Why must one be here? We seem to examine our being to become more. As we become more our vehicle erodes. As time passes the vehicle no longer can sustain the means of thinking and we slowly pass into the void. Others pick up our thoughts and and carry parts of it forward and it goes on and on. But is this only an illusion? There seems to be a distant thinker in the mix —one that drives our very being from the darkness. It is like a program that determines exactness and procedure for leveraging the elements of this information packed realm we call living. There seems to be a lot of automatic means of moving us through this realm of being. The thinking part of us seems to be in for a ride. We ride the light of this realm where everything is automatically moving into new data constantly. There is no going back under the same conditions, only forward where change is taking place with new aspects to ponder with our mind or our thinking part of this experience. Our future depends upon a proper or positive process of determining what aspects to use in the mix of past data for future leveraging of trends and conditions. The Crux of being seems to depend upon something that maintains some form of constancy that we can maintain the information float in a burgeoning echelon over the chaos potential. If chaos can rise, we are destroyed or move to a higher echelon of existence or thinking in a new environment. It is all information manipulation on our part and that of the system within which we dwell. It is always becoming.

The Crux of Being involves a multifaceted means of existence. Each part interacts with its other parts. We are parts of the whole that must be present in order to interact and perceive existence. Otherwise we do not exist. Yet, we are one collective and parts of us lose our vehicles but our knowledge interweaves with the knowledge of our other parts. We should love one another as we love ourselves for the other is us.

Damn you write much stuff... I get a headach just by reading it.  huh.gif
Say kid, you should have put some markers (smileys) to make it easier to read or shorten down your question instead of all the mumbeling between... alien.gif

Anyways, the answer to your simple question.
Nothing is and nothing is not, in other word we exist for existence to be so we can learn the litle of existing as this. We wanted to feel so we became. That is why we exist and why we are. You think as I did when I was 4 years old (gesh). Try to take it easy kid.  grin2.gif


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Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:35 PM

Set the Fallen on Sep 26 2008, 08:54 PM, said:

Damn you write much stuff... I get a headach just by reading it.  huh.gif
Say kid, you should have put some markers (smileys) to make it easier to read or shorten down your question instead of all the mumbeling between... alien.gif

Anyways, the answer to your simple question.
Nothing is and nothing is not, in other word we exist for existence to be so we can learn the litle of existing as this. We wanted to feel so we became. That is why we exist and why we are. You think as I did when I was 4 years old (gesh). Try to take it easy kid.  grin2.gif


Embryo, the more subtle, oblique and ineffable wisdom and knowledge is, the less suited is the cerebral intelligence to it and the more it will react against it. R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz taught that to me. You may position your informal fallacy or non sequiturs as you will, but I know whereof you speak. Embryo (or thing). Not that one is, but that whereby Is, is.

Cheers,
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 06:06 PM

I love these guys...

Narcissistic theorist and their findings are usually targeted to your "rights" and your feelings about existence within our national experience of liberty.  Notice the word "your."  Most of the psychology used to back up the politically correct (P C) strategy utilized most by the liberally-oriented factions of our democracy are based on "Freudian" Psychology. (Sigmund Freud, 1856-1939, was the founder of Psychoanalytic movement). Freud's influence via his theories of neuroses and leveraging via sexuality (normal and abnormal) gradually gained favor among the politically minded and intellectual elite because of its power to mentally manipulate and interface with the human psyche.   His works, such as Civilization and its Discontents, (1930) had immense impact on the modern strategy of social engineering via politically correct propaganda.

Freud's audacity of leveraging sex into the open gave extroverts just the tools they needed for their social reinforcement.  Now his socially accepted theory   seems to reinforce the self aspects rather than living with society through Love (though they have attempted to destroy the meaning of that word too).

Freud's theories break down the linkage between the "me"(self) and the "object" (other - all of life outside, the "me") perception of being.  With today's emphasis on me-ism, self-esteem, self-realization self-actualization and the emotional/feeling paradigm that is currently a topic of conversation, our nation faces the prospects of total division through narcissistic elitism.  Now lawyers are aligning with the psychoanalytic movement and making new laws as they collude their way into higher and higher government positions.  With every person out for themselves, what hope is there for a nation of people to face financial hardship and emotional challenge by accepting responsibility for their government, themselves and their families.  Without social character and morals, a nation dies.  In view of the programming we are getting on the propaganda machine (the national media elite), is it any wonder why gangs, crime, drugs, graft, divorce, child abuse, and on and on...is it any wonder, why our national character needs a new point-of-view?

Danah Zohar, in her book The Quantum Self, reflects on the power of narcissism as built upon by Freudian Psychology and how it can destroy human psyche if inculcated into a reason for behavior.  This foray into liberal thinking (victimization) seems to sidetrack a being's positive pathway toward human development.  She suggests that the liberalism which saw its amplification in the 1960s was and is a result of the Freudian instruction and theory of being, found so prevalent at most major universities then and now.  Zohar states that:

"The consequent selfishness, shallowness, alienation, and downright unhappiness of all these cosseted individuals (1960s self-awareness movement) are familiar concerns to many of us in our daily lines.  The sad irony here is that in a culture that lays so much stress on the individual, his own sense of personal worth and power is so diminished.  As many psychologists have noted, narcissism is more about self-hatred than self-love, and is commonly associated with feelings of emptiness, worthlessness, personal disintegration, and pent-up rage.  These symptoms are the source of a great deal of social tension and personal pain, and have generated a whole popular literature that includes books like Lasch's THE CULTUURE OF MARCISSISM and more recently, Allan Bloom's THE CLOSING OF THE AMERICAN MIND.  Both describe in graphic detail the side effects of too much emphasis on what I would call the particle (as opposed to wave - physics) side of our being."

Zohar's words then take us into a direction that humanity could have embraced rather than the Freudian way, with the theories of Freud's colleague, Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961).  The great Swiss psychiatrist's works seem to not only comprehend Freud's theories but go beyond and then back to the ancient traditions as well.  Jung's works in analytic psychology included the total being and his/her relationship to the universe.  His studies of consciousness and spirituality reminds me of the work of the ancient Bodhisattva (he, who has attained the All), the Buddha-Gautama.  In the same vein, his work also parallels the fresh new ideas of today's modern physicists.  Jung even predicted that nuclear physics and consciousness would someday merge in a kind of transcendental discipline not unlike Danah Zohar's more recent theories of the quantum self.  Jung, and later Zohar, saw the relationships between psyche and its influence on matter -- "for how otherwise could it (mind) move (leverage) matter?"

Quantum Psychology – A Coherent Theory of Being?

Danah Zohar, F. David Peat, -- plus many other awakening scientists of the present reality are perhaps on to discovering the crux of human existence by focusing on the "light" of quantum mechanical processes.  Zohar's model of existence in the human consciousness is that the brain has two interacting systems.  Coherency (synchronized jiggling of cell molecules) is accomplished with the Bose-Einstein condensate, which she associates with achieving levels of consciousness via the communication linkage of biophoton activity.  The second is a computer-like linkage to the individual neurons of the brain.  It is a quantum mechanical model.  She believes that this dual system acts as one unit giving us our view on reality without the need of a supernatural realm for science to have to address.  Perhaps she is on to at least how we interface with the laws of nature or the consequence of God's Being.

Peat, a physicist/philosopher, has written extensively on "be-ness" in this reality we call life.  In his book, The Philosopher's Stone, (1991), he plunges as deep as Zohar, Bohm, and others into the development of verbal and mathematical tools that interface with the Laws of Nature.  He reinforces the interconnectedness of the universe via mind and matter and like the ancients, retells how the very atoms (pixels?) that constitute manifest existence, communicate via photons (radiation) in a conscious-like flux of movement.  He too, sees the power of the eastern philosophies as they play off of western physics.  Peat also believes, as does the traditions of the ancients, that chaos is but unperceived order.  Perhaps his most interesting observations are stated below.  They seem to reinforce the old concept of Karma or the Laws of Consequence for we human participants.  Read:

Since the mind and body are deeply linked together, such a new wholeness will also spread to the body.  Holistic meaning can therefore link people at all levels, from the mental to the physical and between a person and nature.   Actions, conversation, decisions, and dreams emerge out of this resonance.  And clearly, synchronisity would be one manifestation of this new type of activity.  

We can also envision such outflowing of meaning at the cellular level (DNA).  Within such a dialogue is also the possibility that molecular transformation can become the appropriate response to an overall change in meaning within the environment.  

But disharmonious situations also exist in which the activity of a system is at odds with its surrounding environment.  For example, conflict and  division experienced by an individual can give rise to a very subtle form of damage to the brain.  Just as subtle structures in the brain can respond to the ever-changing field of meaning in which they are embedded, so, too, a person whose levels of meaning are incoherent and confused will develop a brain that becomes increasingly insensitive.  When mind and body are no longer in harmony, confused meanings enter the body and cause illness and disease.  The result is a muted response to life and even bizarre, destructive and violent behavior.

F. David Peat's assumptions are corroborated by the ancient traditions, and contemporary research.  Humans leverage their lives via deep seated causation that we must become aware of in order to better understand our reason for being.  It appears that all this is wrapped up in a picture that we are just standing too close to, in an attempt to see the whole.





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Posted 31 October 2008 - 05:28 AM

Orion von Koch on Oct 30 2008, 06:06 PM, said:

I love these guys...

Narcissistic theorist and their findings are usually targeted to your "rights" and your feelings about existence within our national experience of liberty.  Notice the word "your."  Most of the psychology used to back up the politically correct (P C) strategy utilized most by the liberally-oriented factions of our democracy are based on "Freudian" Psychology. (Sigmund Freud, 1856-1939, was the founder of Psychoanalytic movement). Freud's influence via his theories of neuroses and leveraging via sexuality (normal and abnormal) gradually gained favor among the politically minded and intellectual elite because of its power to mentally manipulate and interface with the human psyche.   His works, such as Civilization and its Discontents, (1930) had immense impact on the modern strategy of social engineering via politically correct propaganda.

Freud's audacity of leveraging sex into the open gave extroverts just the tools they needed for their social reinforcement.  Now his socially accepted theory   seems to reinforce the self aspects rather than living with society through Love (though they have attempted to destroy the meaning of that word too).

Freud's theories break down the linkage between the "me"(self) and the "object" (other - all of life outside, the "me") perception of being.  With today's emphasis on me-ism, self-esteem, self-realization self-actualization and the emotional/feeling paradigm that is currently a topic of conversation, our nation faces the prospects of total division through narcissistic elitism.  Now lawyers are aligning with the psychoanalytic movement and making new laws as they collude their way into higher and higher government positions.  With every person out for themselves, what hope is there for a nation of people to face financial hardship and emotional challenge by accepting responsibility for their government, themselves and their families.  Without social character and morals, a nation dies.  In view of the programming we are getting on the propaganda machine (the national media elite), is it any wonder why gangs, crime, drugs, graft, divorce, child abuse, and on and on...is it any wonder, why our national character needs a new point-of-view?

Danah Zohar, in her book The Quantum Self, reflects on the power of narcissism as built upon by Freudian Psychology and how it can destroy human psyche if inculcated into a reason for behavior.  This foray into liberal thinking (victimization) seems to sidetrack a being's positive pathway toward human development.  She suggests that the liberalism which saw its amplification in the 1960s was and is a result of the Freudian instruction and theory of being, found so prevalent at most major universities then and now.  Zohar states that:

"The consequent selfishness, shallowness, alienation, and downright unhappiness of all these cosseted individuals (1960s self-awareness movement) are familiar concerns to many of us in our daily lines.  The sad irony here is that in a culture that lays so much stress on the individual, his own sense of personal worth and power is so diminished.  As many psychologists have noted, narcissism is more about self-hatred than self-love, and is commonly associated with feelings of emptiness, worthlessness, personal disintegration, and pent-up rage.  These symptoms are the source of a great deal of social tension and personal pain, and have generated a whole popular literature that includes books like Lasch's THE CULTUURE OF MARCISSISM and more recently, Allan Bloom's THE CLOSING OF THE AMERICAN MIND.  Both describe in graphic detail the side effects of too much emphasis on what I would call the particle (as opposed to wave - physics) side of our being."

Zohar's words then take us into a direction that humanity could have embraced rather than the Freudian way, with the theories of Freud's colleague, Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961).  The great Swiss psychiatrist's works seem to not only comprehend Freud's theories but go beyond and then back to the ancient traditions as well.  Jung's works in analytic psychology included the total being and his/her relationship to the universe.  His studies of consciousness and spirituality reminds me of the work of the ancient Bodhisattva (he, who has attained the All), the Buddha-Gautama.  In the same vein, his work also parallels the fresh new ideas of today's modern physicists.  Jung even predicted that nuclear physics and consciousness would someday merge in a kind of transcendental discipline not unlike Danah Zohar's more recent theories of the quantum self.  Jung, and later Zohar, saw the relationships between psyche and its influence on matter -- "for how otherwise could it (mind) move (leverage) matter?"

Quantum Psychology – A Coherent Theory of Being?

Danah Zohar, F. David Peat, -- plus many other awakening scientists of the present reality are perhaps on to discovering the crux of human existence by focusing on the "light" of quantum mechanical processes.  Zohar's model of existence in the human consciousness is that the brain has two interacting systems.  Coherency (synchronized jiggling of cell molecules) is accomplished with the Bose-Einstein condensate, which she associates with achieving levels of consciousness via the communication linkage of biophoton activity.  The second is a computer-like linkage to the individual neurons of the brain.  It is a quantum mechanical model.  She believes that this dual system acts as one unit giving us our view on reality without the need of a supernatural realm for science to have to address.  Perhaps she is on to at least how we interface with the laws of nature or the consequence of God's Being.

Peat, a physicist/philosopher, has written extensively on "be-ness" in this reality we call life.  In his book, The Philosopher's Stone, (1991), he plunges as deep as Zohar, Bohm, and others into the development of verbal and mathematical tools that interface with the Laws of Nature.  He reinforces the interconnectedness of the universe via mind and matter and like the ancients, retells how the very atoms (pixels?) that constitute manifest existence, communicate via photons (radiation) in a conscious-like flux of movement.  He too, sees the power of the eastern philosophies as they play off of western physics.  Peat also believes, as does the traditions of the ancients, that chaos is but unperceived order.  Perhaps his most interesting observations are stated below.  They seem to reinforce the old concept of Karma or the Laws of Consequence for we human participants.  Read:

Since the mind and body are deeply linked together, such a new wholeness will also spread to the body.  Holistic meaning can therefore link people at all levels, from the mental to the physical and between a person and nature.   Actions, conversation, decisions, and dreams emerge out of this resonance.  And clearly, synchronisity would be one manifestation of this new type of activity.  

We can also envision such outflowing of meaning at the cellular level (DNA).  Within such a dialogue is also the possibility that molecular transformation can become the appropriate response to an overall change in meaning within the environment.  

But disharmonious situations also exist in which the activity of a system is at odds with its surrounding environment.  For example, conflict and  division experienced by an individual can give rise to a very subtle form of damage to the brain.  Just as subtle structures in the brain can respond to the ever-changing field of meaning in which they are embedded, so, too, a person whose levels of meaning are incoherent and confused will develop a brain that becomes increasingly insensitive.  When mind and body are no longer in harmony, confused meanings enter the body and cause illness and disease.  The result is a muted response to life and even bizarre, destructive and violent behavior.

F. David Peat's assumptions are corroborated by the ancient traditions, and contemporary research.  Humans leverage their lives via deep seated causation that we must become aware of in order to better understand our reason for being.  It appears that all this is wrapped up in a picture that we are just standing too close to, in an attempt to see the whole.

You political nonsense is just that nonsense. If what you spouted was true Europe wouldn't have higher living, educational and health standards and lower rates of crime, alcoholism and drug abuse as Europe is far more liberal than the US and far less sexually repressed (which is probably part of America's problem)

The second part is quite interesting with there are bits that need to be addressed however.

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Perhaps she is on to at least how we interface with the laws of nature or the consequence of God's Being.

Since there is 0 evidence of a god how do you do that exactly? That would be an instant jump out of science.

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Since the mind and body are deeply linked together,
They are not linked so much as the same thing. The mind is a result of electro-chemical reactions in the brain. Remove some ones brain and you'll notice the stop thinking. stop brain chemistry and you stop thinking and stop brain bioelectrics and you stop thinking. All these things are pretty terminal.
I think Zonah makes a massive mistaken assumption with her idea's on SQ as well. Since she clearly has not looked into other primates (especially chimp's and gorilla's) if she thinks that such ideals as stated on her website related to humans only.

Also reality does not play out to the idea of Karma. No matter what anyone claims it is quite obvious that some despicable people have success while some very good people have an extremely hard life. Karma is a nice concept but if you apply to reality you would have to have some seriously warped ideas to believe it.

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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:19 PM

Mattshark on Oct 30 2008, 11:28 PM, said:

You political nonsense is just that nonsense. If what you spouted was true Europe wouldn't have higher living, educational and health standards and lower rates of crime, alcoholism and drug abuse as Europe is far more liberal than the US and far less sexually repressed (which is probably part of America's problem)

The second part is quite interesting with there are bits that need to be addressed however.

Since there is 0 evidence of a god how do you do that exactly? That would be an instant jump out of science.
They are not linked so much as the same thing. The mind is a result of electro-chemical reactions in the brain. Remove some ones brain and you'll notice the stop thinking. stop brain chemistry and you stop thinking and stop brain bioelectrics and you stop thinking. All these things are pretty terminal.
I think Zonah makes a massive mistaken assumption with her idea's on SQ as well. Since she clearly has not looked into other primates (especially chimp's and gorilla's) if she thinks that such ideals as stated on her website related to humans only.

Also reality does not play out to the idea of Karma. No matter what anyone claims it is quite obvious that some despicable people have success while some very good people have an extremely hard life. Karma is a nice concept but if you apply to reality you would have to have some seriously warped ideas to believe it.


Talk to any citizen of Europe and you will find a deep resentment over what is about to happen. Too many folks moving in to use their system. We are headed to oblivion.

By the by, the evidence for a God is inherent within existence. Some are so preoccupied with their own reality, they just cannot get past the scope of being here. I report home every night.

Edited by Orion von Koch, 02 November 2008 - 10:21 PM.


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Posted 02 November 2008 - 10:23 PM

We live in defining times where the future and science fiction are blurred out over the time/space continuum. We call this FutureTime. It is a period existing almost as a dreamscape filled with surrealistic images of trends and conditions that are spinning out at chaotic speeds. It is a time where reality and dreams suggest the third realm of imagination manifestation through creative ideation.

Such a chaos of concepts was once unperceived (unseen) by mankind but now it is reconstituting as order or unity at a higher level of existence and we are beginning to see it for what it is. Now, humanity is on the threshold of visualizing Future/Time as a startling reality while it concurrently dovetails with AncientPast to present a vision of human duration. We are in a state of intellectual and spiritual limbo that marks an Age or a World of Being transcending on to create the Omega Age.

This pronouncement, regarding a period or a state of being, is not announced flippantly for the gravity of the situation is ominous in scope when one considers the destiny of sentient beings. Its very ascendancy suggests that we have reached a watershed in human development and turning back is not an option. From this point on, life as we once knew it will never be the same. The age of ignorance has passed.

We beings communicate on the intellectual fly at speeds some call Instant Messaging or IM. The web of networks spread at geometric rates all over the Earth informing and amplifying knowledge and data to augment the global psyche. There are few secrets and much strategy to work the data of business and be-ness anywhere over the face of the planet. Such a rampant flux and reflux of thought globules is unprecedented in this age but there is increasing evidence that it is a reflection of ancient knowledge and wisdom given to us long ago, but was lost in hoary ages past.

The very complexity of Life's physical makeup suggests design and genetic manipulation of a program few of us did anything but take (the human genome) for granted. The very essence of DNA played through the complexity of Quantum Physics and amplified by Nanotechnology, Holography and Virtual Reality, suggests laws and genetic engineering far more advanced than any simplistic happenstance of evolution. To get where we are now, required help.

For many of us who are now discovering the Truths of Alternate History anterior to the well-worked-out company-line of academia and touted by the almost daily discovery of new elements to the puzzle of existence -- the dawning of FutureTime is readily apparent. Though only a few thousand can see this gestalt reality at present, its embellishment is spreading like wildfire in the background of the generative order.

The ancient shamanistic concept of a god who always spoke in symbols to our mentality said, "Can you see what I am showing you?" It meant that every act and every instant of our life was part of a multifaceted broadcast of attributes of related meanings imbedded in potential acts and events that could result in positive or negative consequences for us all. We were given the mind to see this but few have turned on the light. Due to the sequences of events and actions, we are now all forced to look at the consequences of our lives. It is time we moved beyond ourselves to the realm of the collective.

The spike of time is rapidly approaching where we will all know that this event of the snake biting its tail will complete the cycle and the reality of our existences will be put on display. The wars we fought were in reality over issues common to all of us, but were manipulated by greed and guilt to amplify the self over the all. There has always been but one truth…and there is no religion higher than Truth. The record of history is nature (Physics or God) and its book is open for all to read. Though there are many bifurcations to this arrow of time/space, one knows if he/she truly knows himself or herself.

With all the life experiences many of us have been subjected to, and all we have watched in our fellow human beings…it is easy to see our destiny rushing toward a final fulfillment of purpose. We are almost there.




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Posted 03 November 2008 - 01:35 AM

Orion von Koch on Nov 2 2008, 10:19 PM, said:

Talk to any citizen of Europe and you will find a deep resentment over what is about to happen. Too many folks moving in to use their system. We are headed to oblivion.

By the by, the evidence for a God is inherent within existence. Some are so preoccupied with their own reality, they just cannot get past the scope of being here. I report home every night.

Erm I'm English and my GF is Germany and I live in the UK and I don't know ONE single person with that idea. In fact in general, the consensus in Europe is that America needs to become more liberal. But nice try. Btw you have about 90% of a continent hear wishing Obama luck in the election and laughing at Sarah Palin. Next time you talk about Europe I'd actually learn some facts first lad.

And no you are absolutely wrong. That is not evidence. There is 0 evidence for god, the world around is not evidence and you are instantly into the realms of pseudo-science when you use god in scientific work. Hence creationism is pseudo-science. You wouldn't know science if it hit you in face.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 03:09 PM

Mattshark on Nov 2 2008, 07:35 PM, said:

Erm I'm English and my GF is Germany and I live in the UK and I don't know ONE single person with that idea. In fact in general, the consensus in Europe is that America needs to become more liberal. But nice try. Btw you have about 90% of a continent hear wishing Obama luck in the election and laughing at Sarah Palin. Next time you talk about Europe I'd actually learn some facts first lad.

And no you are absolutely wrong. That is not evidence. There is 0 evidence for god, the world around is not evidence and you are instantly into the realms of pseudo-science when you use god in scientific work. Hence creationism is pseudo-science. You wouldn't know science if it hit you in face.


Would you tell me if you have read Manly P. Hall and R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz? My Friends in Europe own galleries and bookstores and communicate with many who are somewhat deep. I am sorry if you think I am out of sorts with your paradigm of life, but alas — there are those who think differently and if you do not come from a Gnostic background, I can understand why you would have no data to consider anything I say. Suffice to say, there are those who are thinking elsewhere.

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Humanity -- all of us, when not intellectually controlled by a political force, have yearned to understand what the experience of existence truly is about. Those of us who are deep thinkers have gone to great lengths and even put our own lives up for collateral in order to find the answers to what our purpose is here in Time/Space. Many of us have this feeling that somewhere in our distant past lurks the thread to our knowledge of the beginning or the constancy of Soulular Travel.

History speaks of this ancient tragedy -- where Humanity went through some gargantuan trials and tribulations while on this planet. Something happened to geologically position our kind on distant shores with distinct memories of a more glorious period in erased history. The Hindu Vedas report such distant catastrophe, as does almost every tribal tradition of mankind. The wise men or priesthood of every culture or religion of man speaks of a way of life that is filled with the Mystery Teachings of human existence. There have been savants who seemed to know what being here is/was all about. It is almost as if they knew through some unknown source of wisdom that there is a purpose and a means of traveling life as a special being…the Soul rides the Light.

All the ancient greats, from Socrates to Newton seemed blessed with knowledge. Some were very special. An Example: his fellow believers called this man God and Son of God. He was deep and introspective and studied the dictates of divinity from his youth on into his manhood. He left his family to go into the unknown parts of the earth to learn from wise men the decrees of the old laws of existence. He was also said to be under the influence of Divine inspiration.

He studied the secret traditions of Moses the lawgiver of Israel and later instructed his disciples in all manner of religious understanding. After wandering about to try to find the knowledge of Divine wisdom he sought to establish his ministry upon earth. He gathered around him a small community of sincere and dedicated believers and instructed them in his fashion of godly insight. Unfortunately he was regarded askance by the members of the area's residences.

Because he was outspoken and dedicated to his religion and studies, he suffered personal enmity. Later he came under attack from the authorities of the area and viscous propaganda was perpetrated against him. Without warning these people descended upon the little group of buildings in his compound and burned it to the ground. All were killed at Crotona, a Dolan colony in southern Italy in 590 BC. Thus, the great works of Pythagoras were destroyed. His knowledge included the ancient secrets of the Jews, Essenes, Hindus, Chaldeans, Babylonians, Greeks, Brahmins, and the Vedic Traditions. He has been called the first philosopher and tradition says that he coined the term philosopher -- one who is attempting to find Wisdom through Love.

The Western World and the Americas were built upon the foundations of the great religions of the past. Those who were attempting to find the secrets of human existence as our scientists do today built that distant past — but they went further. Yet, all great and small persons who tried to wax eloquent in the state of Divinity have had their problems with the local government/s. The great Pythagoras was crucified and burned; Hypatia's body was dismembered; Jacques de Molay, consumed in flames; Savonarola, burned in the square of Florence; Galileo, forced to submit on bent knees; again, and again persons who sought to enlighten the world, have met their deaths and had their works destroyed.

Even now, Buddha, Christ and all the other more modern religious icons have their revered lives and teachings daily reinforced in our collective minds across the globe. What is the source of all this deep thinking that says that humanity is indeed something very special? From where does the root of all our hopes flourish forth into fruit? Does it start with the flooding of the earth or the end of an Ice Age? It has been said that the source of the knowledge of who and what we are lies inside of our very being. Could the key to our beginnings be found in the fact that we are conscious of our very existence? Does the fact that we think and are able to reason give us the clue to the why we are here? All the ancient practitioners of wisdom indicate that we must know ourselves to know the secret doctrines of the root of mankind.

Logic and reason coupled to the Scientific Process has driven many men to view life in secular tones…a method that seems to put blinders on beings who cannot ask the ultimate or base questions of Why. The root source questions have always been left out of the equations…that seem to address parts of a whole that few want to deliver proper credence or ultimate points-of-departure. The ancients thought with all their facilities and we think with our silly self-loving singular point of departure. We are half-right or left.

We are half of what we could be and there are some here that drive that point home with each and every attempt to wax eloquent with a half-loaded mentality. I have been where you are now and all I can do is shake my head for you kick and scream with no burden of payment. Suffering broadens the soulular traveler with amplified consciousness.

As a retired university educator and administrator who has spent countless hours in deep discussion with many colleagues with ages of knowledge, and a former political columnist to boot, I feel I do have some qualifications to speak my words. I know there is a God because I once was like you.

NOT THAT ONE IS, BUT THAT WHEREBY IS, IS.

Edited by Orion von Koch, 03 November 2008 - 03:14 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2008 - 09:42 PM

Orion von Koch on Nov 3 2008, 03:09 PM, said:

Would you tell me if you have read Manly P. Hall and R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz? My Friends in Europe own galleries and bookstores and communicate with many who are somewhat deep. I am sorry if you think I am out of sorts with your paradigm of life, but alas — there are those who think differently and if you do not come from a Gnostic background, I can understand why you would have no data to consider anything I say. Suffice to say, there are those who are thinking elsewhere.

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

Humanity -- all of us, when not intellectually controlled by a political force, have yearned to understand what the experience of existence truly is about. Those of us who are deep thinkers have gone to great lengths and even put our own lives up for collateral in order to find the answers to what our purpose is here in Time/Space. Many of us have this feeling that somewhere in our distant past lurks the thread to our knowledge of the beginning or the constancy of Soulular Travel.

History speaks of this ancient tragedy -- where Humanity went through some gargantuan trials and tribulations while on this planet. Something happened to geologically position our kind on distant shores with distinct memories of a more glorious period in erased history. The Hindu Vedas report such distant catastrophe, as does almost every tribal tradition of mankind. The wise men or priesthood of every culture or religion of man speaks of a way of life that is filled with the Mystery Teachings of human existence. There have been savants who seemed to know what being here is/was all about. It is almost as if they knew through some unknown source of wisdom that there is a purpose and a means of traveling life as a special being…the Soul rides the Light.

All the ancient greats, from Socrates to Newton seemed blessed with knowledge. Some were very special. An Example: his fellow believers called this man God and Son of God. He was deep and introspective and studied the dictates of divinity from his youth on into his manhood. He left his family to go into the unknown parts of the earth to learn from wise men the decrees of the old laws of existence. He was also said to be under the influence of Divine inspiration.

He studied the secret traditions of Moses the lawgiver of Israel and later instructed his disciples in all manner of religious understanding. After wandering about to try to find the knowledge of Divine wisdom he sought to establish his ministry upon earth. He gathered around him a small community of sincere and dedicated believers and instructed them in his fashion of godly insight. Unfortunately he was regarded askance by the members of the area's residences.

Because he was outspoken and dedicated to his religion and studies, he suffered personal enmity. Later he came under attack from the authorities of the area and viscous propaganda was perpetrated against him. Without warning these people descended upon the little group of buildings in his compound and burned it to the ground. All were killed at Crotona, a Dolan colony in southern Italy in 590 BC. Thus, the great works of Pythagoras were destroyed. His knowledge included the ancient secrets of the Jews, Essenes, Hindus, Chaldeans, Babylonians, Greeks, Brahmins, and the Vedic Traditions. He has been called the first philosopher and tradition says that he coined the term philosopher -- one who is attempting to find Wisdom through Love.

The Western World and the Americas were built upon the foundations of the great religions of the past. Those who were attempting to find the secrets of human existence as our scientists do today built that distant past — but they went further. Yet, all great and small persons who tried to wax eloquent in the state of Divinity have had their problems with the local government/s. The great Pythagoras was crucified and burned; Hypatia's body was dismembered; Jacques de Molay, consumed in flames; Savonarola, burned in the square of Florence; Galileo, forced to submit on bent knees; again, and again persons who sought to enlighten the world, have met their deaths and had their works destroyed.

Even now, Buddha, Christ and all the other more modern religious icons have their revered lives and teachings daily reinforced in our collective minds across the globe. What is the source of all this deep thinking that says that humanity is indeed something very special? From where does the root of all our hopes flourish forth into fruit? Does it start with the flooding of the earth or the end of an Ice Age? It has been said that the source of the knowledge of who and what we are lies inside of our very being. Could the key to our beginnings be found in the fact that we are conscious of our very existence? Does the fact that we think and are able to reason give us the clue to the why we are here? All the ancient practitioners of wisdom indicate that we must know ourselves to know the secret doctrines of the root of mankind.

Logic and reason coupled to the Scientific Process has driven many men to view life in secular tones…a method that seems to put blinders on beings who cannot ask the ultimate or base questions of Why. The root source questions have always been left out of the equations…that seem to address parts of a whole that few want to deliver proper credence or ultimate points-of-departure. The ancients thought with all their facilities and we think with our silly self-loving singular point of departure. We are half-right or left.

We are half of what we could be and there are some here that drive that point home with each and every attempt to wax eloquent with a half-loaded mentality. I have been where you are now and all I can do is shake my head for you kick and scream with no burden of payment. Suffering broadens the soulular traveler with amplified consciousness.

As a retired university educator and administrator who has spent countless hours in deep discussion with many colleagues with ages of knowledge, and a former political columnist to boot, I feel I do have some qualifications to speak my words. I know there is a God because I once was like you.

NOT THAT ONE IS, BUT THAT WHEREBY IS, IS.

Oh joy, more esoteric pseudo-scientific nonsense.

You have shown your self to be a liar before and you certainly wouldn't know university level research and scientific standard in the face. Unlike you I am actually in the field of science and know what is sub-standard for a university.

Guess what (using your tack) I know there is not a god, what a lovely paradox. Feel free to back up you religious ideals for science. Maybe you string out a few more lies and answers more questions with meaningless babble.

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Posted 03 November 2008 - 09:55 PM

Orion von Koch on Jun 4 2008, 11:31 PM, said:

What is the Crux of Being here in Time/Space??? Why Be??? What is being other than knowing you are able to think??? Why do we seek to protect the thinking form from destruction after it has thought something? What is thinking but reviewing actions to maintain the vehicle for future leveraging of the elementals of existence?


I've wondered about this.  I firmly and completely "believe in" evolution but sometimes I wonder about why a "survival of the fittest" exists at all?  Why do we care whether we live or die?  (to be honest, part of this line of questioning comes from the fact that I'm related to a deeply disturbed mental patient who honestly DOESN'T care if he lives or dies).

This is one of the things that makes me believe we are part of a greater whole and/or maybe a Deity exists.  I've come to think that our will to live is a tiny reflection of the fact that the universe loves existing or at least it has some sort of compulsion to exist.  



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Posted 04 November 2008 - 07:11 AM


A long question......WITH  a short answer

WE ARE SENT AS SHEEP AMONGST THE WOLVES......THE POWER OF FREE WILL SHALL SET YOU FREE...

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Posted 04 November 2008 - 07:17 AM

Siara on Nov 3 2008, 10:55 PM, said:

I've wondered about this.  I firmly and completely "believe in" evolution but sometimes I wonder about why a "survival of the fittest" exists at all?  Why do we care whether we live or die?  (to be honest, part of this line of questioning comes from the fact that I'm related to a deeply disturbed mental patient who honestly DOESN'T care if he lives or dies).

This is one of the things that makes me believe we are part of a greater whole and/or maybe a Deity exists.  I've come to think that our will to live is a tiny reflection of the fact that the universe loves existing or at least it has some sort of compulsion to exist.


For questions opens up the mind to endless possibilities.......we cannot exist without questioning everything.....But if we know the answer will we only then be satisfied with it....


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Posted 05 November 2008 - 08:54 AM

Fabulousa on Nov 4 2008, 01:17 AM, said:

For questions opens up the mind to endless possibilities.......we cannot exist without questioning everything.....But if we know the answer will we only then be satisfied with it....


Will we???



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Posted 05 November 2008 - 09:03 AM

Orion von Koch on Nov 5 2008, 08:54 AM, said:

Will we???



Doubt that because the only time people are satisfied is when they know too much.....then its too late





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