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Post icon  Posted 26 February 2004 - 05:46 AM

Minsden Chapel, in Hertfordshire, was built in the 14th century, but by the 18th century had fallen into a state of disrepair, and was abandoned in 1738, when masonry started falling during a wedding.

In the early part of the 20th century, historian Reginald Hine made a deal to lease the old ruin, from the church, for the remainder of his lifetime. Such was his love and protective attitude toward the ruin, that he issued a dire warning to all tresspassers.

His warning was, that he would, `...proceed against them with the utmost rigour of the law and after my death and burial, I will endeavour in all ghostly ways to protect and haunt it's hallowed walls.' In 1949 he was buried in the chapel ruins, and his grave now lies beneath the undergrowth.

Naturally, the chapel has a ghost, a phantom monk that ascends a long-since missing staircase. His appearance is preceeded by the old abbey's bells, also long-since gone, and as he climbs the spectral staircase, mournful music can be heard.

In 1907, a photographer, T.W. Latchmore took a photograph of the ruins, and claimed to have captured the spectral monk on film. But did he?

Below, Latchmore's photograph...

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 05:47 AM

And a close up.

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 11:36 AM

Hi Cuffy original.gif I am sceptical. It looks like a picture of what someone in 1907 thought the ghost should look like.

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 11:40 AM

I can't even make it out I'm afraid Cuffs......which way is it facing ????

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 11:45 AM

Hi Cuffy

Apparently it was also a favourite spot of Peter Underwoods and apart from the monk there is also the sound of distant music and if i remember a little girl has been seen. oh an the site has been apparently used by Occult groups but that would not be suprising.
Funnily I am planning to go to Minsden Chapel soon if anyone is interested, once the weather gets better. Just to see for myself what the fuss is about and if there is a need for any.

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 07:40 PM

More info about Minsden Chapel:

As long ago as 1690 Minsden was reported to be 'totally ruinated, stripped, uncovered, decayed and demolished' but Reginald Hine, the Hertfordshire historian, leased the ruins for his lifetime ad cautioned 'trespassers and sacrilegious persons take warning, for I will proceed against them with utmost rigour of the law and after my death and burial, I will endeavour, in all ghostly ways, to protect and haunt its hallowed walls'. After Hine's tragic death his wife made of the ruins a memorial to her husband and the picturesque walls and arches seem to have been rescued from oblivion at the eleventh hour.

Minsden is traditionally associated with Alice Perrers, mistress of King Edward III, who is charged with stealing her royal lover's rings while he was on his deathbed. She infatuated the old king by 'occult spells' manufactured by her physician who was regarded as a 'mighty sorcerer' but eventually he was arrested on a charge of confecting love philtres and talismans.

All Hallows Eve, the night when ghosts are reputed to hold sway and be able to return and be visible, is the night of the years when Minsden's ghosts manifest and there are many stories of horses and dogs behaving as though they see or sense something invisible to their human companions as they climb towards Minsden Chapel on that night. Elliott O'Donnell told Peter Underwood that one All hallows Eve he heard sweet music here and thought he caught a glimpse of a white-robed figure standing in one of the archways.

It seems that the ghostly manifestations usually begin with the tolling of the lost bells of Minsden and as the sounds die away the figure of a monk is seen under the ivy-covered arch on the south side. Walking with bowed head he silently walks up steps no longer visible and disappears. After a moment the strains of sweet music fill the airbut almost as soon as the hearer is aware of the sounds they cease and all is quiet again.

Reginald Hine gave Peter permission to spend the night at Minsden one All HAllows Eve and on this occasion Peter heard music, but saw nothing.
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Posted 26 February 2004 - 08:51 PM

It has a certain monkish mien, but I'm sure somewhwere it was revealed as a fake.

Hine, who had had a close association with Minsden, detailed a somewhat alarming encounter with another ghost, and had a distinctly odd death.

Underwood did visit the site on the appropriate night, but saw nothing of the monk. The ghost hunter caught a transient snatch of music, while his brother, nearby, heard nothing.

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 09:30 PM

QUOTE (Daughter of the Nine Moons @ Feb 26 2004, 11:36 AM)
Hi Cuffy original.gif I am sceptical. It looks like a picture of what someone in 1907 thought the ghost should look like.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on the picture.

Thanks everyone. grin2.gif It is an interesting place, and despite the dodgy picture, I still think it possible that the stories of the monk could have a truth to them.

Lottie, you must take some snaps. Who knows...

Thistle, here is the `ghost' outlined. Casting a shadow, by the look of it. wink2.gif

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 09:35 PM

Ta Cuffy, now that I've seen it I have to agree with Lottie......all it's missing are some chains to rattle. whistling2.gif .

Nice story all the same though and Lottie........take the camera please.....we live in hope lol

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 09:39 PM

QUOTE (thistle1 @ Feb 26 2004, 09:35 PM)
Ta Cuffy, now that I've seen it I have to agree with Lottie......all it's missing are some chains to rattle. whistling2.gif .

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I wonder where all that chain-rattling stuff originates from?
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Posted 26 February 2004 - 10:06 PM

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Punishment for wickedness I presume. Weighed down by chains, the links of which were forged in life. w00t.gif

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 10:57 PM

QUOTE (Agent_21 @ Feb 26 2004, 10:06 PM)
Punishment for wickedness I presume. Weighed down by chains, the links of which were forged in life. w00t.gif

I think that might be it, actually. thumbsup.gif Along the same lines as Jacob Marley in A Christmas Carol?
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Posted 26 February 2004 - 11:00 PM

Yes, Marley's ghost. There is supposed to be a chained monk in the grounds of Buckingham Palace, btw.

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Posted 27 February 2004 - 06:49 AM

*runs into thread*

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IT'S A GREAT BIG FAT HAIRY FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 27 February 2004 - 08:57 AM

QUOTE (Agent_21 @ Feb 26 2004, 11:00 PM)
There is supposed to be a chained monk in the grounds of Buckingham Palace, btw.

There is ?????.....Well come on then A21 .....spill the beans.....you can't just say things like that and then leave us in suspense

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