[crystal sage]

http://www.theliving..._Images_08.html

COSMIC SECRETS
The Enigmas on Earth
Impact Craters on Earth
Impact Craters
Africa

[cormac mac airt]

crystal sage on Jul 24 2008, 08:57 AM, said:

http://www.theliving..._Images_08.html

COSMIC SECRETS
The Enigmas on Earth
Impact Craters on Earth
Impact Craters
Africa

Interesing picture but, for the sake of argument, assuming you're talking about ancient civilizations created by us (Homo Sapiens) how many of these date to the last 250,000 years?

cormac

[crystal sage]

cormac mac airt on Jul , 01:47 AM)

[cormac mac airt]

Actually I've since answered my own question. From the sites shown on your map of Africa, only two date to within the last 250,000 years. Amguid, Algeria at under 100,000 years and Tswaing, South Africa at around 220,000 years.

Your China quote and link would include Homo Habilis and Homo Erectus in the mix, but show no evidence of civilizations destroyed by comets. Neither does the quote on Caral.

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A chopping tool found in Pakistan dates to 2 million years ago, earlier than the earliest hominid remains, the Homo species "Narmada Man," (250,000 years ago). Early anatomically modern Homo sapiens are first seen in Sri Lanka about 34,000 years ago.

This would appear technically incorrect by the writer, as the earliest hominids 2 million years ago included Homo Habilis, A. Africanus and A Afarensis. If meaning the easliest member of the genus Homo, then both Homo Habilis and Homo Erectus would be included. There may have been early anatomically modern Homo sapiens in Sri Lanka, however the Herto finds in Africa, at 160,000 years far pre-date them.

cormac

[crystal sage]

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Comets 'are born of fire and ice'

http://news.bbc.co.u...ure/4801968.stm

The high-temperature minerals discovered in the Stardust samples are not oddities.

They appear to be abundant, having been found in about one in four of the particles examined so far.

One of these minerals known as forsterite, which condenses at temperatures in excess of 1,120C, has been detected in a comet before.

But other minerals found in the Stardust samples resemble so-called calcium-aluminium inclusions (CAIs), which form at even higher temperatures.

"This raises as many questions as answers. We can't answer them all just yet," said Stardust co-investigator Dr Mike Zolensky.

Longer distances

There are two main possibilities currently being considered to explain the finding.

If the high-temperature minerals formed at the centre of our solar nebula, the molten droplets could have been blasted out to the cold outer region by powerful magnetised jet called the X-wind.

http://www.spacetoday.net/Summary/3243
Water ice spotted on surface of comet

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http://sm3a.gsfc.nas...ssages/417.html
ice comets frequently striking the Earth's atmosphere and swiftly vaporizing into water vapor. As I recall, the size of these comets averaged somewhere in the 15 to 20 ton range and entered the atmosphere at 20 to 30 times per minute, on average. The article stated that, over a period of about 10,000 years, these comets would contribute enough water to the planet to cover the surface of the Earth to a depth of about one inch and, over the 4.5 billion year history of this planet, the ice comets could account for all of the water found on Earth. Some articles I read at that time about these ice comets even postulated that primitive forms of life may have arrived at Earth being born across space in a frozen state via these ice comets

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http://www.abc.net.a.../11/1411266.htm

The comet that a metal probe recently smashed into had a powdery surface, the US space agency says.

This explains the cloud of matter left by last week's impact into comet Tempel 1, NASA says.

"[This indicates] an immense cloud of fine powdery material was released when the probe slammed into the nucleus of comet Tempel 1 at about 10 kilometres per second," say scientists from the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory at Pasadena, near Los Angeles.

"The major surprise was the opacity of the plume the impactor created and the light it gave off," says mission chief investigator Professor Michael A'Hearn, of the University of Maryland.

"That suggests the dust excavated from the comet's surface was extremely fine, more like talcum powder than beach sand. And the surface is definitely not what most people think of when they think of comets - an ice cube."

http://www.scienceda...80103153222.htm




Comets are called "dirty snowballs", which implies there is a certain amount of rocky material at their centre which could provide a shield for travelling DNA, Gary said.

[crystal sage]

http://www.geocities...2/coscon15.html

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The MELBOURNE SUN (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia), August 25, 1954 issue, carried an article titled "THE NEW SATELLITES", which stated: "Two meteors (asteroids?) had become satellites of the earth and WERE REVOLVING WITH IT 400 to 600 miles out in space, the latest issue of the American Magazine 'AVIATION WEEK' said yesterday. The magazine said that the discovery of the satellites threw the air force into confusion this summer. Alarm over the sightings ended only after they had been identified as natural rather than manmade." Another possibility may be that they were both 'engineered' natural objects such as hollowed-out asteroids taken from the asteroid belt. The simultaneous arrival of two large asteroids, combined with the fact that both took up a geo-synchronous (synchronized with the revolving of the earth and positioned always over a particular geographical location) orbit, would be an incredible coincidence indeed.

[The Spartan]

CS...other than man made satellites in orbit around earth, you are claiming that asteroids have become the new satellites.
The link is a ufo mishmash thingy....care to give us a link to the aviation weekly or more reliable sources???

[crystal sage]

Da Verminator on Aug 6 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

CS...other than man made satellites in orbit around earth, you are claiming that asteroids have become the new satellites.
The link is a ufo mishmash thingy....care to give us a link to the aviation weekly or more reliable sources???

http://www.lpi.usra....98/pdf/1954.pdf
http://science.nasa....1oct_hermes.htm


http://www.tulane.ed...204/impacts.htm



http://en.wikipedia..../Clyde_Tombaugh



Clyde Tombaugh (left) discussing search for near-Earth satellites with Dr. Lincoln LaPaz (right), 3 March 1954. Photo from Albuquerque Journal

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By May 1954, Keyhoe was making public statements that his sources told him the search had indeed been successful, and either one or two objects had been found.[15] However, the story didn't really break until August 23, 1954, when Aviation Week magazine stated that two satellites had been found only 400 and 600 miles out. They were termed "natural satellites" and implied that they had been recently captured, despite this being a virtual impossibility. The next day, the story was in many major newspapers. Dr. LaPaz was implicated in the discovery in addition to Tombaugh. LaPaz had earlier conducted secret investigations on behalf of the Air Force on the green fireballs and other unidentified aerial phenomena over New Mexico.

LaPaz vehemently denied his involvement in the search, although the New York Times reported on August 29 that a source close to the project said that the story was true and LaPaz was indeed involved, in fact had been the one to spot and identify the objects as natural rather than artificial satellites. The same source denied the search had anything to do with flying saucers.[16]

However, both LaPaz and Tombaugh were to issue public denials that anything had been found. The October 1955 issue of Popular Mechanics magazine reported:

"Professor Tombaugh is closemouthed about his results. He won't say whether or not any small natural satellites have been discovered. He does say, however, that newspaper reports of 18 months ago announcing the discovery of natural satellites at 400 and 600 miles out are not correct. He adds that there is no connection between the search program and the reports of so-called flying saucers."[17]

At a meteor conference in Los Angeles in 1957, Tombaugh reiterated that his four year search for "natural satellites" had been unsuccessful.[18] In 1959, Tombaugh was to issue a final report stating that nothing had been found in his search.

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nterest in UFOs

Tombaugh was probably the most eminent astronomer to have reported seeing Unidentified Flying Objects and to support the Extraterrestrial hypothesis. On August 20, 1949, Tombaugh saw several UFOs near Las Cruces, New Mexico. He described them as six to eight rectangular lights, stating:

"I doubt that the phenomenon was any terrestrial reflection, because... nothing of the kind has ever appeared before or since... I was so unprepared for such a strange sight that I was really petrified with astonishment."[6]

A similar shocked response has been reported by many other who claim to have seen mysterious aerial objects.

Another sighting by Tombaugh a year or two later while at a White Sands observatory was of an object of -6 magnitude, four times brighter than Venus at its brightest, going from the zenith to the southern horizon in about 3 seconds. The object executed the same maneuvers as in Tombaugh's first sighting.[7]

Tombaugh was also later to report having seen three of the mysterious green fireballs, which suddenly appeared over New Mexico in late 1948 and continued at least through the early 1950s. Despite this, the final report of Project Twinkle — see external link — claimed that he "... never observed an unexplainable aerial object despite his continuous and extensive observations of the sky."

In 1956 Tombaugh had the following to say about his various sightings:

http://www.answers.c.../clyde-tombaugh "I have seen three objects in the last seven years which defied any explanation of known phenomenon, such as Venus, atmospheric optic, meteors or planes. I am a professional, highly skilled, professional astronomer. In addition I have seen three green fireballs which were unusual in behavior from normal green fireballs ... I think that several reputable scientists are being unscientific in refusing to entertain the possibility of extraterrestrial origin and nature."[8]

Shortly after this in January 1957, in an Associated Press article in the Alamogordo Daily News titled "Celestial Visitor's May Be Invading Earth's Atmosphere," Tombaugh was again quoted on his sightings and opinion about them.

"Although our own solar system is believed to support no other life than on Earth, other stars in the galaxy may have hundreds of thousands of habitable worlds. Races on these worlds may have been able to utilize the tremendous amounts of power required to bridge the space between the stars..."

Tombaugh said he has observed celestial phenomena which he could not explain, but has seen none personally since 1951 or 1952. "These things, which do appear to be directed, are unlike any other phenomena I ever observed. Their apparent lack of obedience to the ordinary laws of celestial motion gives credence."[9]

http://www.ufobc.ca/...exopolitics.htm






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[The Spartan]

CS.....i went through all the links you gave above.
You still have not given any link to support the hollowed out asteroid satellites as indicated in your post before the previous one.
Most of the links talk about near earth passage of asteroids, but not asteroids moving around the earth in a fixed orbit.

[cladking]

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This suffocating drought has been scientifically verified, by the way.

This drought may have been insignificant to the drought
which resulted from the expansion of the Sahara 3200-
3000 BC, at least in Egypt.

The earlier drought didn't stop the unification of Egyypt
but the later one caused its dissolution?

It appears a great deal is being made of very little inform-
ation.

[kmt_sesh]

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This drought may have been insignificant to the drought
which resulted from the expansion of the Sahara 3200-
3000 BC, at least in Egypt.

Not just Egypt but all of North Africa. It's what created the Sahara. Can you imaging being a person living out in fertile savanna that's undergoing rapid desertification? It could not have been pretty. Of course it took generations, so it's not like one moment there's lush grassland and the next a sea of scorching sand, but you get the idea. That's why we have prehistoric sites like Nabta Playa far out in what's now barren, inhospitable desert--far back in prehistoric times places like these were probably quite pleasant.

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The earlier drought didn't stop the unification of Egyypt
but the later one caused its dissolution?

I haven't been following this discussion closely so I'm not up to date, but this reminds me of the First Intermediate Period in ancient Egypt. Usually the Nile Valley was one of the most fertile and prosperous regions in all of Africa, but drought struck toward the end of the Old Kingdom. Within a hundred years the river was not flooding and crops had failed. It had to have been dismal. There are stories from the genre known as Lamentations about how the Nile became a trickle. Lush and fertile locations like the Fayoum had dried up. This mini-desertification struck the whole of the Near East and contributed to the collapse of other empires, like the Akkadians. The Egyptians were fortunate to have been able to spring back.

[crystal sage]

Da Verminator on Aug 6 2008, 11:22 PM)

[crystal sage]

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http://www.lonympics...k/asteroids.htm
Asteroids, also called minor planets or planetoids, are a class of astronomical object. The term asteroid is generally used to indicate a diverse group of small celestial bodies that drift in the solar system in orbit around the Sun. Asteroid (Greek for "star-like") is the word used most in the English literature for minor planets, which has been the term preferred by the International Astronomical Union; some other languages prefer planetoid (Greek: "planet-like"), because it more accurately describes what they are. In late August 2006, the IAU introduced the term "small solar system bodies" (SSSBs), which includes most objects thusfar classified as minor planets, as well as comets. At the same time they introduced the term dwarf planet for the largest minor planets. This article deals specifically with the minor planets that orbit in the inner solar system (roughly up to the orbit of Jupiter). For other types of objects, such as comets, Trans-Neptunian objects, and Centaurs, see Small solar system body.

Hundreds of thousands of asteroids have been discovered within the solar system and the present rate of discovery is about 5000 per month. As of March 3, 2007, from a total of 368,650 registered minor planets, 152,554 have orbits known well enough to be given permanent official numbers. Of these, 13,627 have official names. The lowest-numbered but unnamed minor planet is FV1; the highest-numbered named minor planet (other than the dwarf planet Eris) is Haigneré.
Current estimates put the total number of asteroids above 1 km in diameter in the solar system to be between 1.1 and 1.9 million. The largest asteroid in the inner solar system is 1 Ceres, with a diameter of km. Two other large inner solar system belt asteroids are 2 Pallas and 4 Vesta; both have diameters of ~500 km. Vesta is the only main belt asteroid that is sometimes visible to the naked eye (in some very rare occasions, a near-Earth asteroid may be visible without technical aid; see 99942 Apophis).

[crystal sage]

This theory has come to my attention again..

Still think it is valid to account for the rise and falls of various historical and mythological civilizations..

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The copper or orichalcum at Lake Superior was high grade which isn't as abundant. And the possibility of writing being spured by Atlantis comes from the first migration of people trying to escape the catastrophe around 3500 BC. , just when writing was 'miraculously' introduced to the ancient Egyptians. THe Taurid meteor shower comes twice a year, once in summer and once in fall. This shower along with the passing asteroid Encke-Oljato caused havoc on Earth each time it passed, starting around 3500 BCE with the first pass, the second pass about 1000 years later, and eventually dying out in the third and final destruction of Atlantis near 1000 BCE. This comet along with the Taurid meteor shower bombarded the world, (proven scientifically) and according to astrologers could have definitely caused the destruction worldwide. Every culture in the world relays the story of the Comet as a serpent from heaven or fire from heaven. This comet and the Taurid caused the end of Bronze Age. Also proven historically, astronomically, and geologically.

Besides, if you hop onto the stream via boat, it takes you directly to the eastern seaboard of America. It wasn't that difficult to get home eitheras it worked the same way coming home, so technically it wasn't that difficult at all.

[Mattshark]

crystal sage, on 30 August 2009 - 12:58 AM, said:

This theory has come to my attention again..

Still think it is valid to account for the rise and falls of various historical and mythological civilizations..

Anything is valid for mythological civilisations, that's the joy of fiction.

Genetics show that such a migration never happened.