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FACT SHEET: Military record of John McCain


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#1    Lt_Ripley

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 10:12 PM

what we do know about McCains military service.

FACT SHEET: Military record of John Sidney McCain III


Both McCain III’s father and grandfather were Admirals in the United States Navy. His father
Admiral John S. ”Junior” McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe - later commander of
American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. His grandfather
John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.
McCain III, like his father and grandfather, also attended the United States Naval Academy.
McCain III finished near the bottom of his graduating class in 1958.( -------------- actually bottom 1 %)


McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft

1 - Student pilot McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus
Christi Bay while practicing landings.
2 - Pilot McCain III lost another plane two years later while he was deployed in the
Mediterranean. ”Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines
which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the
son of an admiral.
3 - Pilot McCain III lost number three in 1965 when he was returning from flying a Navy
trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain III radioed, ”I’ve got
a flameout” and ejected at one thousand feet. The plane crashed to the ground and
McCain III floated to a deserted beach.
4 - Combat pilot McCain III lost his fourth on July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to
the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk combat pilot. While waiting his turn for takeoff, an
accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain Jr’s. plane. He escaped from the burning
aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft,
and threatened to sink the ship.
5 - Combat pilot McCain III lost a fifth plane three months later (Oct. 26, 1967) during his
23rd mission over North Vietnam when he failed to avoid a surface-to-air missile. McCain
III ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently
parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. After being pulled from the lake by the North
Vietnamese, McCain III was bayoneted in his left foot and shoulder and struck by a rifle
butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.


1973 New York Daily News labeled POW McCain III a “PW Songbird”

On McCain III’s fourth day of being denied medical treatment, slapped, and threatened with
death by the communist (they were demanding military information in exchange for medical
treatment), McCain III broke and told his interrogator, ”O.K., I’ll give you military information if you
will take me to the hospital.” U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former
POW John McCain.

It was then that the communist learned that McCain III’s father was Admiral John S. McCain,
the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific. The Vietnamese rushed McCain III to
Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable
for U.S. POWs.

By Nov. 9, 1967 (U.S. government documents) Hanoi press was quoting McCain III describing
his mission including the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the
order of which U.S. attacks would take place.
While in still in North Vietnam’s military hospital, McCain III gave an interview to prominent
French television reporter Francois Chalais for a series titled Life in Hanoi. Chalais’ interview with
McCain III was aired in Europe.
Vietnamese doctors operated on McCain’s Leg in early December, 1967.
Six weeks after he was shot down, McCain was taken from the hospital and delivered to a
U.S. POW camp,
In May of 1968, McCain III allowed himself to be interviewed by two North Vietnamese
generals at separate times.” May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain
In August 1968, other POWs learned for the first time that John McCain III had been taken
prisoner.
On June 5, 1969, the New York Daily News reported in a article headlined Reds Say PWSongbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral, “ . . . Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of
United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having
bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since
being taken prisoner . . .” The Washington Post explained McCain III’s broadcast: “The English-
Language broadcast beamed at South Vietnam was one of a series using American prisoners. It
was in response to a plea by Defense Secretary Melvin S. Laird, May 19, that North Vietnam treat
prisoners according to the humanitarian standards set forth by the Geneva Convention.”
In 1970, McCain III agreed to an interview with Dr. Fernando Barral, a Spanish psychiatrist
who was living in Cuba at the time.
The meeting between Barral and McCain III (which was photographed by the Vietnamese)
took place away from the prison at the office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations in
Hanoi (declassified government document). During the meeting, POW McCain sipped coffee and
ate oranges and cakes with the Cuban.
While talking with Barral, McCain III further seriously violated the military Code of Conduct by
failing to evade answering questions ”to the utmost of his ability” when he, according government
documents, helped Barral by answering questions in Spanish, a language McCain had learned in
school. The interview was published in the in January 1970.

McCain III was released from North Vietnam March 15, 1973

In 1993, during one of his many trips back to Hanoi, McCain asked the Vietnamese not to
make public any records they hold pertaining to returned U.S. POWs. McCain III claims, that
while a POW, he tried to kill himself.

McCain III was awarded “medals for valor” equal to nearly a medal-and-a-half for each
hour he spent in combat


For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded
McCain III, the son of famous admirals, a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished
Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a
dozen service medals.
“McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former
chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam
since the 1973 fall of Saigon.
“Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continued, “that equals to about a medal-and-a-half for
each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more
than 7,000 hours in combat
and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure
a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how
many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.”
For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and
biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed
to gloss over his failures as a pilot and his collaborations with the enemy to become America’s
POW-hero presidential candidate.


For more information: www.againstmccain.com www.usveterandispatch.com

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccai...word%5B1%5D.pdf

Edited by Lt_Ripley, 04 July 2008 - 10:16 PM.


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Posted 04 July 2008 - 10:22 PM

We get it You don't like the Republicans, Bush or John McCain... Most of us agree with you.

Surely there must be other news you can post that does not involve John McCain, Iraq, and Bush.

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 01:26 AM

Atheist God on Jul 4 2008, 05:22 PM, said:

We get it You don't like the Republicans, Bush or John McCain... Most of us agree with you.

Surely there must be other news you can post that does not involve John McCain, Iraq, and Bush.


You mean there is something MORE important than the US election? pushaww...

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 01:39 AM

ninjadude on Jul 4 2008, 08:26 PM, said:

You mean there is something MORE important than the US election? pushaww...


I'm not saying the election is not important.... I just have mud slinger fatigue when it comes to the candidates.

Seriously who cares.

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 01:51 AM

Atheist God on Jul 4 2008, 06:22 PM, said:

We get it You don't like the Republicans, Bush or John McCain... Most of us agree with you.

Surely there must be other news you can post that does not involve John McCain, Iraq, and Bush.


oh I did. it just gets passed up.

Edited by Lt_Ripley, 05 July 2008 - 01:52 AM.


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Posted 05 July 2008 - 02:13 AM

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21 WAYS TO BE A GOOD DEMOCRAT
December 30, 2007

capitalism_socialism 1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.

2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

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4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

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11. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

12. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

13. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, and A.G. Bell.

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Ready to vote???



Yeah, McCain is far from perfect... but I still have waaaaaay too many working brain cells to vote Dem.

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 02:26 AM

IamsSon on Jul 4 2008, 09:13 PM, said:

Yeah, McCain is far from perfect... but I still have waaaaaay too many working brain cells to vote Dem.


Yet not enough to realize that regardless of who you vote for your still voting in a face man who ain't gonna represent you because they're both equally corrupt.

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 02:39 AM

A choice between a man who refused early release from a POW Camp because he felt loyalty and responsibility towards his men, or one who has spent the last 20 years learning that God will support any action against the white man... hmmm, really difficut.  Not.

"But then with me that horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?" - Charles Darwin, in a letter to William Graham on July 3, 1881

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 02:43 AM

IamsSon on Jul 4 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

A choice between a man who refused early release from a POW Camp because he felt loyalty and responsibility towards his men, or one who has spent the last 20 years learning that God will support any action against the white man... hmmm, really difficut.  Not.


That's the past this is the present: Both men make all decisions now not based on what people want but what special interest groups want. Both are just as corrupt as one another and regardless of who gets elected policy making will be the same and America will still continue to tank.

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 06:25 AM

but I thought the swiftboating of John Kerry was a bad thing?


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Posted 05 July 2008 - 06:33 AM

IamsSon on Jul 5 2008, 03:13 AM, said:

Yeah, McCain is far from perfect... but I still have waaaaaay too many working brain cells to vote Dem.


If you actually had any you wouldn't take part in this farce.

I am not a man, merely a parody of one.


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Posted 05 July 2008 - 06:40 AM

bathory on Jul 5 2008, 01:25 AM, said:

but I thought the swiftboating of John Kerry was a bad thing?


Like John Kerry John McCain is no longer that man before he entered the political arena... A local politician once told me that everyone who enters politics goes into it with the best of intentions then realize they can't make the difference they want to and just go with the flow.

Anyone who makes it that far in a presidential race are picked by special interest groups thus that's who gets all the money.

I have no doubt that John McCain used to be a good guy but it's not the case now.

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 06:49 AM

So not one positive thing could be found in the fact sheet? Not even one?

McCain isnít in the navy anymore, and therefore is not seeking a promotion to Admiral. Since retiring from the navy, McCain has spent about 26 years in congress.

Since McCain is running for president, and not seeking a navy promotion, perhaps the focus should be less on a military career that ended 27 years ago, and more on his public service career that has been ongoing for 26 years.


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Posted 05 July 2008 - 09:48 AM

nice source btw

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mar08/mccain_manchurian.htm

McCain is not only a fraud, but he's also a communist sleeper agent brain washed by the soviets to destroy the world...

also note that the above link is found on the front page of Ripley's source

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/


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In an echo of the attacks from the 2000 South Carolina primary that dealt a critical blow to Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign, a new flyer says the Arizona senator is a traitor.

It says that when he was a POW, McCain was a “Hanoi Hilton songbird” who collaborated with the enemy.

But it provides scant evidence to back up this claim and it is strongly contradicted by many other accounts reviewed by PolitiFact: interviews with other POWs, an author who has written a McCain biography and the senator’s own accounts.

Robert Timberg, author of John McCain: An American Odyssey , who has interviewed many POWs who served with McCain, said there’s no evidence that he ever collaborated with the North Vietnamese. “I’ve never known of any occasion in which Sen. McCain provided the North Vietnamese with anything of value,” Timberg said.


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Posted 05 July 2008 - 02:31 PM

For anyone interested, here's a link to the George Washington University that gives a recap of his life's timeline and political career.

McCain Timeline

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