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Family Innocent in Jonbenet Ramsey Murder


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#16    BishopRyan

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 07:44 PM

Just because some DNA doesn't match I think its a little rediculous to completely ruled out the parents being involved. I'm sure they had something to do with it and having a third party involved doesn't seem unreasonable either.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:16 AM

View PostThe Unseen, on 10 July 2008 - 09:22 PM, said:

I dont care who did the crime,I still blame the parents because if they didnt dress her like they did  and not have done that stupid fashion show or what ever you call it that little girl would still be alive,I blame her parents for putting her in that situation.They did all that just to make money off her and now shes dead.Parent fault, noone elses.

What if the crime was never motivated by fashion shows, pedophilia, or anything to do with JonBenet?  You do realize that the Ramseys were quite wealthy and certainly did not need to make money off their daughter?


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:23 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 10 July 2008 - 09:30 PM, said:

QUOTE (theghost @ Jul 10 2008, 03:22 PM)
I dont care who did the crime,I still blame the parents because if they didnt dress her like they did  and not have done that stupid fashion show or what ever you call it that little girl would still be alive,I blame her parents for putting her in that situation.They did all that just to make money off her and now shes dead.Parent fault, noone elses.


Well the person that killed her might have a little blame in this as well  style_emoticons/default/wink2.gif  but I do agree no parent should put there kids through these kinds of gong shows.

I suppose you think it wrong for parents to enroll their children in ballet, figure skating, and gymnastics competition as well?   Patsy Ramsey was a pageant queen.  It is not unusual for parents to enroll their children in avocations of which they are already familiar.   It is, however, wrong to so callously blame the Ramseys for the death of their daughter when you have no idea what really happened.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:38 AM

View PostJustNormal, on 11 July 2008 - 07:06 AM, said:


I dont think we will ever know what happened to that little doll or who molested and killed her. SO many things are wrong with this case.

Beginning with the lead investigators leaping way too prematurely to a particular conclusion and then making the second biggest mistake in crime investigation, to wit, trying to force the evidence to conform to the premature conclusion.   Sometimes a little objective contemplation of the most obvious evidence can go a long way toward clarification.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:42 AM

View PostSig Turner, on 08 November 2012 - 03:23 AM, said:

I suppose you think it wrong for parents to enroll their children in ballet, figure skating, and gymnastics competition as well?
I dunno, are people judged solely on their looks and how much like an adult they can look in ballet or Gymnastics?
I don't know what the exercise, health and mental flexibility benefits of child pageants are either.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:05 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 08 November 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

I dunno, are people judged solely on their looks and how much like an adult they can look in ballet or Gymnastics?
I don't know what the exercise, health and mental flexibility benefits of child pageants are either.

I suppose they are judged according to whatever criteria are important in pageants.  I really do not know.  It's not exactly my area.   Does it really matter?   Wouldn't a pedophile be just as attracted to places where children engage in figure skating, ballet, gymnastics, or even the monkey bars at the local playground?

It is beyond cruel to blame this crime on Patsy Ramsey just because she engaged her daughter in a pastime which she herself enjoyed.  Child pageantry may seem like an odd hobby to the uninvolved or the disinterested.  However, some people think that there is something immoral about midget football.  It all depends on perspective and personal experiences.   Bear in mind that boardwalk baby pageants and Easter parades are not exactly all that unusual, nor is there something especially creepy or immoral about them.  And yet these are also forms of child pageantry.   It is unfortunate that this petty issue has been a source for so much distraction and unwarranted accusation.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:33 AM

Not at all unusual - in America. Those of us on the outside look at the phenomena and go "riiight", and are inherently mistrustful of the Ramseys because of the way pageants are percieved by us as unsual and paedobaiting.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:56 AM

Yes they dressed her up, but they loved  her the same as any other  parent loves their children and to be a
accused of her death  for so many years, well that has just gotta be hell.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

After reading all the comments so far, one thing is plain to see. There is still a high-charged emotional flow from everyone about this case. JonBenet was a very pretty little girl, and what happened to her was unfortunate, and perhaps we will never know who did it. But she will never be forgotten. And I have never heard of "touch DNA" but what a leap in technological forensics we have had since her murder. Because of the strong emotional flow her murder invokes in people working on this case, perhaps one day we will bring the killer to justice.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:15 PM

I have always thought it odd that they said it was the Ramsey's fault because they dressed her up or she was a pagent girl.  Pedofiles are attracted to children and if the child looks like an adult wouldnt that be a turn off for them ?
I've never thought it had anything to do with the makeup and dresses.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:56 PM

I still think someone in that family knows the truth. I think all of the Child Beauty Pageants need to be baned. Look at the Honey Boo Boo that child is nothing but a brat.


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:13 AM

View Postthewild, on 08 November 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

After reading all the comments so far, one thing is plain to see. There is still a high-charged emotional flow from everyone about this case. JonBenet was a very pretty little girl, and what happened to her was unfortunate, and perhaps we will never know who did it. But she will never be forgotten. And I have never heard of "touch DNA" but what a leap in technological forensics we have had since her murder. Because of the strong emotional flow her murder invokes in people working on this case, perhaps one day we will bring the killer to justice.

I'm pretty charged up after getting banned at so many internet forums that purport to specialize in crime sleuthing, just because I had a theory that the "Ramseys Did It" fanatics could not overcome.  It is disgusting to witness the depths to which so many people will descend in order to maintain that John and Patsy Ramsey killed their own daughter.  It's like some some perverse religion. Never mind the sanctity of such Western ideals as "freedom of speech and press."  These Bolsheviks would sooner burn you at the stake then allow you to posit a defensible argument that someone other than the Ramseys were responsible for the death of JonBenet.

Why is it so important to these lunatics that the Ramseys did it?  One forum, which I will only identify as WS banned me several years ago within a week of me posting my theory, and then locked up the entire thread so that further discussion (even in my absence) was not possible.  Another forum, which I will identify only as JQ, actually took down their entire JonBenet Ramsey sub-forum after banning me, thus negating any trace or reference to my theory on their entire forum.   Thankfully, a message board associated with Turner Broadcasting (no relation) merely banned me but did have the grace to leave my theory open for examination and critique (at least so far).  

What the hell is wrong with these people?  Would it really be so horrible if John and Patsy Ramsey did NOT kill their own daughter?

Edited by Sig Turner, 09 November 2012 - 02:15 AM.


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:57 AM

The killer was probably someone who regularly attended the fashion shows. Hope the authorities could pull lists of everyone who attended, or videos of crowd sweeps, then try to match up the dna.


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:32 AM

Not a specialist poster on this case but I have never believed the parents or any member of the family killed JB.


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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:59 PM

I seem to recall that the ransom note was in Patsy's handwriting on their stationary. Am I correct on this?

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