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Poll: Who's your Choice for President of the USA? (114 member(s) have cast votes)

Who's your Choice for President of the USA?

  1. Barack Obama (D - IL) (48 votes [42.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.11%

  2. John McCain (R - AZ) (37 votes [32.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.46%

  3. Ralph Nader (3 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  4. Bob Barr (3 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  5. Other (please note) (23 votes [20.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.18%

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#46    Mr Honeybadger

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 02:14 PM

MindFire on Jul 29 2008, 01:33 AM, said:

I will be writing in Ron Paul, thank you.


That's probably what I will end up doing too.

I was giving Bob Barr a chance. But the more I read about his past voting record, the less I like him.  ( Patriot Act, Defense of Marriage Act, War on Drugs, flip-flopping on Global Warming )

Bob Barr is no Ron Paul.





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Posted 30 July 2008 - 04:59 PM

I voted mccain. as will I in the election as well.    by looking at the poll both seem to be a a tie.  I find that kinda interesting.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:56 PM

Startraveler on Jul 23 2008, 07:12 AM, said:

What flip-flops would those be?


Here's another one. During a Democratic presidential debate in July 2007 Obama was asked "would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?" To which Obama replied "I would."

Then,three weeks ago,he said he would meet with Iranian leaders "only if it can advance the interest of the United States"

So Obama lied when he said he would meet Iranian leaders without precondition.

Full story here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4999088&page=1


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 10:09 PM

I am stuck here and I really don't know which way I will vote.

Is anyone representing the paranormal socialist party? Maybe I vote for them.


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Posted 30 July 2008 - 10:33 PM

supercar on Jul 30 2008, 04:56 PM, said:

Here's another one. During a Democratic presidential debate in July 2007 Obama was asked "would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?" To which Obama replied "I would."

Then,three weeks ago,he said he would meet with Iranian leaders "only if it can advance the interest of the United States"


soo you want him to go "party" with world leaders just for the fun of it? I'm not sure there is any precedent for that - well except maybe Bush.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 03:44 AM

supercar on Jul 30 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

Here's another one. During a Democratic presidential debate in July 2007 Obama was asked "would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?" To which Obama replied "I would."

Then,three weeks ago,he said he would meet with Iranian leaders "only if it can advance the interest of the United States"

So Obama lied when he said he would meet Iranian leaders without precondition.

Full story here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4999088&page=1


Thats the great big bombshell the anti-Obama crowd has?



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Posted 31 July 2008 - 03:55 AM

I have to go with McCain. I pray to god that joke called Obama isn't elected. What we need now in the US is a good president, too bad none are running. What we don't need is another Jimmy carter.


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Posted 31 July 2008 - 04:14 AM

Plainbob13 on Jul 30 2008, 10:55 PM, said:

I have to go with McCain. I pray to god that joke called Obama isn't elected. What we need now in the US is a good president, too bad none are running. What we don't need is another Jimmy carter.

Agreed.

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Posted 31 July 2008 - 02:15 PM

Plainbob13 on Jul 30 2008, 09:55 PM, said:

I have to go with McCain. I pray to god that joke called Obama isn't elected. What we need now in the US is a good president, too bad none are running. What we don't need is another Jimmy carter.


Hmm, I like the comparison.
Good point Bob.
imo.



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Posted 01 August 2008 - 05:58 AM

obama. I wish all voters would have had to put their nics up to follow the numbers. I wonder how many have voted more than once with different nics .


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Posted 01 August 2008 - 08:37 AM

Lt_Ripley on Aug 1 2008, 05:58 AM, said:

obama. I wish all voters would have had to put their nics up to follow the numbers. I wonder how many have voted more than once with different nics .


Cant you just accept that half of the people in this UM thread doesnt support Obama?

EDIT: Oops, half meaning that split 50/50 between McCain and Obama.

Edited by Claizen, 01 August 2008 - 08:38 AM.


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Posted 01 August 2008 - 04:39 PM

supercar on Jul 30 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

Here's another one. During a Democratic presidential debate in July 2007 Obama was asked "would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?" To which Obama replied "I would."

Then,three weeks ago,he said he would meet with Iranian leaders "only if it can advance the interest of the United States"

So Obama lied when he said he would meet Iranian leaders without precondition.

This is such nonsense.  Your argument depends on what "without precondition" means.  In order for this to be a "lie," it would have to mean something like "any reason or rationale whatsoever."  In the context of the actual debate, seemed pretty clear to me that "precondition" meant some kind of actions or concessions made by these governments to appease us in one way or another; as if the President meeting with them would be some kind of cookie we would give them for being good.  And Obama stated his opposition to that kind of "diplomacy."  He went into some detail to clarify his position, but people don't tend to pay any attention, would rather get their information from like-minded spin doctors, rather than go to the source.  The phrase "only if it can advance the interest of the United States" simply means, "Hey, look, I'm not an idiot, okay?"

Even your article conceded that what's going on is merely a shift in "tone."  Extra, extra!  Obama is guilty of emphasising different aspects of his policies for different audiences!  Call out the National Guard, he must be the Antichrist!!!  sleepy.gif


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Posted 01 August 2008 - 07:28 PM

Claizen on Aug 1 2008, 04:37 AM, said:

Cant you just accept that half of the people in this UM thread doesnt support Obama?

EDIT: Oops, half meaning that split 50/50 between McCain and Obama.


hhhmmm no. because on past posts and issues the democrat opinion has always polled higher.


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Posted 02 August 2008 - 02:15 AM

Lt_Ripley on Aug 1 2008, 07:28 PM, said:

hhhmmm no. because on past posts and issues the democrat opinion has always polled higher.

People do have changes of heart.  And just because someone is a democrat that doesn't make a vote for Obama mandatory.


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Posted 02 August 2008 - 02:17 AM

Wickian on Aug 1 2008, 09:15 PM, said:

People do have changes of heart.

I did today, after hearing the Ludacris song. Now, I'm voting for Obama!              (NOT!)

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