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#16    Incorrigible1

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 01:58 AM

ninjadude on Jul 29 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

I don't hate Grandpa. I dislike him. I don't want him to be president for a lot of reasons. I do, in fact, feel that his age IS an issue. Both physically for the rigors of being president and for his beliefs living in the ancient past. Bigot maybe. Like saying something derrogatory about blacks, not so much. You may not agree. But that's how I see it. And I'm ooooolllddd myself.

Good gawd, I tend to think "Grandpa" is the better candidate, but regardless, you'll not catch me bashing and making ridiculous statements about BHO. One needn't tear down one candidate to make the other more seemingly desirable. Nor does one have to berate "cons" in every posting about the differences between candidates (I'm referring to Ripley).

Geez, tell us the good qualities of the candidate of your choice, that's admirable. But to needlessly and wrongly tear down the opponent merely makes you look rather childish.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 04:49 AM

Incorrigible1 on Jul 29 2008, 08:58 PM, said:

you'll not catch me bashing and making ridiculous statements about BHO.


That's good but not the usual case of many who post here and certainly my opnions about McCain are not so ridiculoous. He is very old. I never want a repeat of Regan faltering in the last years and ceding control to others. We need a president who leads. Older people ARE more suceptible to health problems that aflict the elderly. He is elderly. He is 71. Health problems at his age can occur rapidly with little to no warning. Just look at Ted Kennedy (or my own mother - she was 72). McCain's mind already seems to be going. The verbal faux pas are accumulating to the point that either he has a real problem or the simple stress of the campaign is getting to him and he is not even president. Finally he just seems to be living in the past rather than the present. IMO.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 07:47 PM

AROCES on Jul 29 2008, 09:41 PM, said:

You are wasting your time with me again, just a reminder. wink2.gif

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 10:13 AM

ninjadude on Jul 29 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

That's good but not the usual case of many who post here and certainly my opnions about McCain are not so ridiculoous. He is very old. I never want a repeat of Regan faltering in the last years and ceding control to others. We need a president who leads. Older people ARE more suceptible to health problems that aflict the elderly. He is elderly. He is 71. Health problems at his age can occur rapidly with little to no warning. Just look at Ted Kennedy (or my own mother - she was 72). McCain's mind already seems to be going. The verbal faux pas are accumulating to the point that either he has a real problem or the simple stress of the campaign is getting to him and he is not even president. Finally he just seems to be living in the past rather than the present. IMO.

Verbal faux pas? How about knowing what it is youre going to say, a quote from obama: "uhh..ehhh.ahhh, uhhhh..ummmm" Could it be that he is always at a loss for words because in the face of one crowd or another, he does not know what they may want to hear and scrambles for a position, then flip flops on it later? I think so. If you want a man to lead as much as you are touting it, id rather the man know where he stands on issues and policies, rather than make it up as he goes along. I think age is a beneficial factor, considering the experience that comes with it.

And as far as living in the past... Cant say i see what you mean. Unless of corse you are against drilling for oil so that we may actually become energy independant, rather than energy *******ed as obama would have us. (edit I used the word r etarded correctly and it still gets starred out. go figure)

Quit watching mainstream news ie: MSN, NBC..etc Those news conglomorates are clearly biased, considering their campaign contributions for the democrat party outnumber their contributions to the republican party 100 to 1. Dont believe me? Now you think, if someone gives money to a campaign, its because they want them to win... How could you possibly be fair in reporting, if you have an agenda?

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 06:03 PM


Obama has never "scrambled" for a position or flip flop as readily as you rant about. His positions on issues are long, detailed and available on his website. He speaks about them constantly. In fact you're actually describing McCain. His position varies depending on who he is talking to. If he's talking to gays - he's pro gay. IF he's talking to the religious right - he hates gays. I could go on an on. In fact his campaign recently has started "correcting" his positions after he's made them publicly. He repeatedly does not know that czechoslovakia is not longer a country. He repeatedly can't tell the difference between shia and sunni. He is living in the cold war in his mind. In fact, based on statements he made today, he just has a "war" mentality when referring to domestic problems in New York City.

I'm not against drilling for oil and Obama is not either. Considering that we already have huge tracts of land that are available NOW for drilling and are NOT being drilled - your whole republican argument for drilling is ludicrous.  Why not rant at the oil companies for not drilling in existing leases?



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Posted 02 August 2008 - 07:04 PM

ninjadude on Aug 2 2008, 07:03 PM, said:

Obama has never "scrambled" for a position or flip flop as readily as you rant about. His positions on issues are long, detailed and available on his website. He speaks about them constantly. In fact you're actually describing McCain. His position varies depending on who he is talking to. If he's talking to gays - he's pro gay. IF he's talking to the religious right - he hates gays. I could go on an on. In fact his campaign recently has started "correcting" his positions after he's made them publicly. He repeatedly does not know that czechoslovakia is not longer a country. He repeatedly can't tell the difference between shia and sunni. He is living in the cold war in his mind. In fact, based on statements he made today, he just has a "war" mentality when referring to domestic problems in New York City.

I'm not against drilling for oil and Obama is not either. Considering that we already have huge tracts of land that are available NOW for drilling and are NOT being drilled - your whole republican argument for drilling is ludicrous.  Why not rant at the oil companies for not drilling in existing leases?


Frankly, I don't like either one . . . . from a nation of 300 million people, this is the best we can do?


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Posted 02 August 2008 - 07:05 PM

Expatriate on Aug 2 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

Frankly, I don't like either one . . . . from a nation of 300 million people, this is the best we can do?


Sad isn't it.


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Posted 02 August 2008 - 08:25 PM

-Scratch- on Jul 29 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

i fear the public is massively ignorant to anything but what the biased news media tells them.


-Scratch- on Aug 2 2008, 06:13 AM, said:

How could you possibly be fair in reporting, if you have an agenda?


Sort of like... Fox news?

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 08:45 PM

you see teej, one would have to watch fox news, and then every other news broadcast to have a full and fair view on this election.
The problem i was pointing out which you so graciously avoided was the fact that ALL major mainstream media has contributed to one side of this election, causing a bias in their reporting. Which would fit their agenda of altering your opinion even if you do watch or read both sides.

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I'm not against drilling for oil and Obama is not either. Considering that we already have huge tracts of land that are available NOW for drilling and are NOT being drilled - your whole republican argument for drilling is ludicrous. Why not rant at the oil companies for not drilling in existing leases?
The problem with the existing leases, is that oip companies already know how much oil is in those reserves, and the manpower to extract those amounts is more than the reserves are worth. That is to say, yes there is oil in existing land leases, but not enough to make an impact on our energy crisis.  
What obama is against is offshore drilling, where the reserves are far larger, much more worth an effort.  Not to mention the fact, that oil seepage alone, along the california coast puts into the ocean as much oil as the exxon spill in the arctic over a period of 5 years. Drilling, and using that oil would effectively stop that seepage by relieving pressure. We already have platforms out there and have the drills set, which itself has relieved enough pressure to have slowed the seepage process. It had been far worse in the past.

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 09:30 PM

-Scratch- on Aug 2 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

you see teej, one would have to watch fox news, and then every other news broadcast to have a full and fair view on this election.
The problem i was pointing out which you so graciously avoided was the fact that ALL major mainstream media has contributed to one side of this election, causing a bias in their reporting. Which would fit their agenda of altering your opinion even if you do watch or read both sides.


I just find it interesting that someone who claims to understand the bias of each and every news station seems to have views that fall exactly in line with perhaps the most biased of them all.  Maybe it's just coincidence, but I'm willing to bet you wouldn't have such a problem with all this "unfair" media coverage if there were more stations that did fall in line with your views.  It's impossible to report news without a bias, just the act of reporting (or not reporting) represents a bias towards a particular candidate or issue.  If you understand this, then get over it and continue forming your own opinions (which is what I was doubting in my first reply).

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Posted 02 August 2008 - 09:58 PM

Teej on Aug 2 2008, 04:30 PM, said:

I just find it interesting that someone who claims to understand the bias of each and every news station seems to have views that fall exactly in line with perhaps the most biased of them all.

Please tell me you realize the inherent bias in CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, PBR, and college faculties across the nation. Please tell me you don't just believe in one network's commentary slant (not its news, but its commentary).

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 12:01 AM

Teej on Aug 2 2008, 03:30 PM, said:

I just find it interesting that someone who claims to understand the bias of each and every news station seems to have views that fall exactly in line with perhaps the most biased of them all.  Maybe it's just coincidence, but I'm willing to bet you wouldn't have such a problem with all this "unfair" media coverage if there were more stations that did fall in line with your views.  It's impossible to report news without a bias, just the act of reporting (or not reporting) represents a bias towards a particular candidate or issue.  If you understand this, then get over it and continue forming your own opinions (which is what I was doubting in my first reply).

I havent claimed anything, i provided a link to a story where a reporter investigated campaign contributions and the media, and formed an opinion from the results of the investigation.
Theres nothing to "get over" seeing as i simply responded to your post, and am doing so again.

Frankly, i would see a bias in any other way and most likely point it out, considering that i like to be well informed and not 'fed' what someone else wants me to know.
True, my opinions fall in line with republican ideas. But thats only because i believe in the responsibility the individual, Not overwhelming government 'help', which are issues at the core of each party respectively.  GOP=Government Opposition Party, Democrat= bigger government.  Which is why the system should work, but unfortunately isnt always fair.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 12:19 AM

-Scratch- on Aug 2 2008, 07:01 PM, said:

True, my opinions fall in line with republican ideas. But thats only because i believe in the responsibility the individual, Not overwhelming government 'help', which are issues at the core of each party respectively.  GOP=Government Opposition Party, Democrat= bigger government.  Which is why the system should work, but unfortunately isnt always fair.

"But thats only because i believe in the responsibility of the individual, Not overwhelming government 'help' "

The same applies for me, but the Republican regime of the past eight years have flown entirely in the face of that notion. None too many spending bills have been vetoed, and, without meaning to impugn drunken sailors, well, you get my point.

Sadly, I see very little difference between the two parties.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 12:25 AM

Lt_Ripley on Jul 29 2008, 12:19 PM, said:

July 28, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama 48%, McCain 40%
No further gains for Obama in latest update

PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama's lead over John McCain has settled back slightly to a 48% to 40% margin among registered voters in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 25-27.

Gallup Daily: McCain, Obama Remain Tied
Each receives 44% of vote in latest update
August 2, 2008
Barack Obama and John McCain each receive 44% of the vote in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking presidential trial heat of nationwide registered voters. This is the second consecutive day the candidates have been exactly tied.

http://www.gallup.com/tag/Election%2B2008.aspx

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 01:48 AM

Well, whatever.

All I know is the 40% of those polled should be ashamed of themselves.

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