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#16    Dementia

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 10:48 PM

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My partner also told me of a forever burning jyoti at the Siva temple in Katmandu


as far as i know..that would be Jwala Devi temple in Jammu and kashmir. The godess is one of the 9 incarnations of the Devi...There exists an eternal flame in the temple which is situated on top of a mountain (like most famous indian temples). Legend has it..Akbar tried everything from pouring tons of water..to covering it with a solid iron lid to estinguish the flame..but failed to do so. It has been found that the area has a nice reserve of natural gas though  disgust.gif

Btw..ever tried Bhang?..its a hallucinatary drug which comes from the same plant cannabis saltvia (i think the male species of the plant)..its distrubuted as a prasaad (similar to holy water in christanity) on Mahashivratri (Shiva's night)..its ten times more potent than any pot you use  thumbsup.gif




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Posted 22 March 2004 - 11:31 PM

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.its ten times more potent than any pot you use


So is that how they wrote the story about atomic bombs???  huh.gif  


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Posted 23 March 2004 - 08:44 AM

Could be..but it would have been an awesome trip to come up with such a realistic description  laugh.gif

Btw...Carl Segan talks about how the pygmies in africa only cultivate Cannabis cause it helps them pass the longer hours that they have to wait while hunting for food. He goes on to say..primative man might have done the same..which would have led to cultivation of other crops too, and as an end..to civilization as we know it!


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Posted 23 March 2004 - 08:45 AM

Number one,
I do not smoke pot. Never have, nor do I ever intend to.
Number two, I do not experiment with hallucinogens or any other significant mind altering drugs. I do not like anything that alters my perception of reality. I have had bad experiences with this in the past, and would not like to revisit them.

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The temple is in KATMANDU. That would be in NEPAL. Not in Jammu and Kazhmir.
The name of the temple is Shree Pashupatinath temple original.gif

Sorry if I sound rude in the least. But certain things that were typed make me feel as if I am a novice when it comes to Hinduism..and I most certainly am not that original.gif

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Intimacy and affection, frozen. In this game of chance I forfit. A full hand of love with no counters. Like a moth with no flame to persuade me. Like blood in the rain running thin. While you stand on the inside looking in. Save me, inside looking in. Complete in the circle. Throw me a life line.
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Posted 23 March 2004 - 09:03 AM

The Holi that I did not play

The night before bhang-inebriated we sat round the embers of the tongues of fire that had reached for the skies but an hour ago. Some one inquired about the novel I was writing. Some one else asked me to narrate the story. I began enthusiastically and went on till somebody exclaimed: “Your heroine is too good to be true.” I stopped the narration as some odd apocalypse hit me. I went to the niche where I had placed the 2000 and odd pages written in long hand stored in some 20 notebooks got them out and returned to the embers and threw them all in and suddenly the tongues leapt briefly again to consume my work. As I looked at the winking red embers mocking at me, I felt the colours dry up within me. I walked into the darkness ignoring my worried friends and cried.

I never played Holi again.
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:::Siva Sarvagatam Prema, Param Satyam Para Siva:::

Sinking, caught up in a whirling motion. Such a strange sensation. The currents uncertain. Like sails of a mill, I spin. Like wheels that move in a circle while you stand on the bank, immune, all evasive..throw me a life line. Save me.
Intimacy and affection, frozen. In this game of chance I forfit. A full hand of love with no counters. Like a moth with no flame to persuade me. Like blood in the rain running thin. While you stand on the inside looking in. Save me, inside looking in. Complete in the circle. Throw me a life line.
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Posted 23 March 2004 - 09:29 AM

QUOTE (PrettyAndCorrupt @ Mar 23 2004, 08:45 AM)
Number one,
I do not smoke pot. Never have, nor do I ever intend to.
Number two, I do not experiment with hallucinogens or any other significant mind altering drugs. I do not like anything that alters my perception of reality. I have had bad experiences with this in the past, and would not like to revisit them.

Number three...


Sorry if I sound rude in the least. But certain things that were typed make me feel as if I am a novice when it comes to Hinduism..and I most certainly am not that original.gif

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The temple is in KATMANDU. That would be in NEPAL. Not in Jammu and Kazhmir.
The name of the temple is Shree Pashupatinath temple original.gif


Like i said, i thought you were talking about the temple in kashmir....i did not know about the one in Nepal...and i stand corrected original.gif

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But certain things that were typed make me feel as if I am a novice when it comes to Hinduism..and I most certainly am not that original.gif


If for any reason i did make you feel that way, im extremely sorry sad.gif
I dont consider myself an expert or knowladgable about hinduism in anyway..but what iv written so far is true to what iv read and heard. For me Hinduism which is practiced today, is a very corrupt form. It preaches relegious intollerance..and outdated social evils. Hinduism is in no way like that..but has been detoriating for a long time. Buddhism was a reaction to the oppresion caused by the bhramin priests during the Gupta period..sadly, we dont have anything of that sort happening today.




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Posted 23 March 2004 - 09:33 AM

I have practiced Hinduism for about..hmm..two years now.
I cannot even BEGIN to imagine the corruption of Hinduism in India as India is the third most corrupt nation on the Asian continent (which breaks my heart because I love India dearly.)

I got into a conversation once with a self proclaimed Hindu who stated that the varnas indicated racial superiority..when anyone educated on Hinduism knows different..just goes to show that anything can be twisted and corrupted.

I dont think Hinduism is as corrupt as Islam..but if things like no education keep going on in India..it will get that way sad.gif

There are so many things that can be taken out of context in Hinduism because it is so multifaceted...
From it, I personally have learned of peace. It has definatly been my savior.

:::Siva Sarvagatam Prema, Param Satyam Para Siva:::

Sinking, caught up in a whirling motion. Such a strange sensation. The currents uncertain. Like sails of a mill, I spin. Like wheels that move in a circle while you stand on the bank, immune, all evasive..throw me a life line. Save me.
Intimacy and affection, frozen. In this game of chance I forfit. A full hand of love with no counters. Like a moth with no flame to persuade me. Like blood in the rain running thin. While you stand on the inside looking in. Save me, inside looking in. Complete in the circle. Throw me a life line.
Save me.

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Posted 23 March 2004 - 10:08 AM

Im abit rusty on my history..but The Rig Veda does talk about the caste system. However it does not preach racial superiority.
The Indian society was too be divided into 4 general catagory's or castes which was decided according to the type of work the person did. This caste system was hierarchial in nature too.

Kshatriya's
This was the warrior class..all kings,generals,soldiers,etc..belonged to this, and their basic duty was protection. They were given the highest position because of the very basic function they preformed.

Brahmins
They were the custodian of hindu religion..duties included performing religious rites and ceremonies. They were the educated class and were the means for mere mortals and the gods.

Vaishaya's
The merchant class

Shudra's
They performed duties which included scavenging, disposing dead bodies, and agricultre

This caste system was not at all rigid, and one could move up in the oder..that is it wasnt heirdiatary in nature..one's job decided his caste.

But as time went by..this system became rigid..and the brahmins became the most powerful amoung all the 4. Scholars like Manu..came and made laws which maintained the brahmical supermacy and in talked about female insubordination..a pointed to be noted is..till now females were considered to be equal to men in every sense. Now the caste system became heirdiatry,..and you could not move out of your caste whatever duty you performed.

This was one of the major reasons for the degenration of Hinduism..Things seem really bad also cause of the way it has been politicised by politicians. They talk about Hindu superiority not because they believe in it..but because they know they can get the maximum number of votes by doing this.
The situation might sound bad..but India still remains one of the most secular country's in the true sense of the word.


Seems to me..i have hijacked this thread in a way..considering it began as a simple query about the dwarikanath temple in dwarka  whistling2.gif  


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Posted 04 April 2004 - 03:14 AM

interesting though.

Hinduism's something I've read verry little on.  I know of the dieties and thheir roles but that's about it.  

Though I find Polytheastic religions more realistic in the long run than monotheastic ones.

Though I'm a warrior by heart and find it hard to think that God or the Gods would make woman (Which I am) weaker than man in order to make use servants to them..

I mean Women bring us into the world (mother) and I don't know about you, but I've learned from more women then men in my life which in Wiccan beliefs one of the ones you learn from is the crone (Elder woman).  

oops went ot.  Sorry.  *Sheepish grin*  

Though you have to admit, most of the art for Hindu gods and goddesses are beautiful.  it's hard to remember Shiva is the destroyer when he has such a pretty face.

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Posted 04 April 2004 - 06:25 AM

Shiva is only a destroyer in the trimurti point of view. For Shiva's devotees, he is pretty much teh God of everything. And we should remember that death and destruction in Hinduism is sacred. It is something hard to comprehend for westerners that is too familiar with Christian concept of Satan.

Hindu, just like any other relligion with such complexity, is vulnerable to corruption, and I found what you reported from India to be really sad.

About female, role, we should remember that the Gods of trimurti has no power without their female counterparts, namely Saraswati, Lakhsmi, and Parvati/Uma. Also Hindhu is not entirely polytheistic, as a lot of Hindus devote to mainly one God. Also the concept of the Ultimate makes it closer to monotheistic worldview.


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Posted 04 April 2004 - 06:43 AM

True, but Hindu has many gods... that's why I said it that way... I didn't mean disrespect.

And so you know... I happen to try to follow more Native American views than the typical 'westerner'

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Posted 04 April 2004 - 07:00 AM

I found something interesting... when we talk about Hindu, the discussion remains polite and civilized. The hard line atheists restrain from attacking posts. But if the subject is Christianity, the thread quickly turn into a heated debate and then locked grin2.gif ... an unexplained phenomena? tongue.gif Anyway.. I found this from a travel agent

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Dwarka is one of the four holiest Hindu pilgrimage sites and is closely related to the Krishna legend. Legend has it that it was here that Lord Krishna set up his capital after his flight from Mathura. It dates back to 16th Century. The Dwarkanath temple is a tall five-storey spire supported by 60 columns. Archaeological excavations have revealed that there were five earlier cities at the site.

Another old temple here is the Nageshwarlinga Temple, one of 12 of the Jyotirlingas of Lord Shiva. It is one of the 4 principal dham yatras of Hinduism. Dwarka is one of the 4 principal dham yatras of Hinduism, the others being Puri, Badrinath-Kedarnath and Rameshwaram. It ranks with Ayodhya, Banaras, Mathura, Gaya, Kanchipuram and Ujjain among the holiest temple cities of India. Dwarka was the home of Lord Krishna, who moved to this pretty coastal town with the entire Yaduvanshi clan to set up capital.

Marine excavations off the Dwarka coast have revealed important evidences of 4 ancient cities, which probably includes the Dwarawati of the Krishna lila. In the 15th century, Dwarka was a major sea port. Today, it is not only a major pilgrimage but a pleasant spot for a beach holiday.


Pay attention to the last paragraph.

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Posted 04 April 2004 - 06:02 PM

Krishna is a reincarnation of Vishnu.
Vishnu is father of Brahma.
Brahma rides a swan.

Sorry I'm going off the subject here!!!

This temple which holds Krishna is off the coast of Dwarka, right?

If you really want to know more about it, maybe you should go there and visit him yourself. ANd only one priest is allowed in twice a day? If he doesn't let you in, maybe you should ask him/her about it, I'm sure he/she'll tell you.

The cost of visiting this place?

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Marine excavations off the Dwarka coast have revealed important evidences of 4 ancient cities, which probably includes the Dwarawati of the Krishna lila. In the 15th century, Dwarka was a major sea port. Today, it is not only a major pilgrimage but a pleasant spot for a beach holiday.


Maybe you could have some fun there too ^.^






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