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Posted 29 August 2008 - 05:13 PM

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There's that darned "Perhaps" word.

Yeah, I put that there because it is arguable that Clinton, Richardson, Paul, and Kucinich have/had equal/better plans in the same field.

I suppose Hillary did have a better social policy; She did less religious pandering then Barack, and she wasn't gang-pressed into voting for FISA. Other then that, they are pretty equal on social issues.

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 05:13 PM

Charles Krauthammer
Friday, August 29, 2008; Page A15

Barack Obama is an immensely talented man whose talents have been largely devoted to crafting, and chronicling, his own life. Not things. Not ideas. Not institutions. But himself.

Nothing wrong or even terribly odd about that, except that he is laying claim to the job of crafting the coming history of the United States. A leap of such audacity is odd. The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments -- bearing even fewer witnesses.

When John Kerry was introduced at his convention four years ago, an honor guard of a dozen mates from his Vietnam days surrounded him on the podium attesting to his character and readiness to lead. Such personal testimonials are the norm. The roster of fellow soldiers or fellow senators who could from personal experience vouch for John McCain is rather long. At a less partisan date in the calendar, that roster might even include Democrats Russ Feingold and Edward Kennedy, with whom John McCain has worked to fashion important legislation.

Eerily missing at the Democratic convention this year were people of stature who were seriously involved at some point in Obama's life standing up to say: I know Barack Obama. I've been with Barack Obama. We've toiled/endured together. You can trust him. I do.

Hillary Clinton could have said something like that. She and Obama had, after all, engaged in a historic, utterly compelling contest for the nomination. During her convention speech, you kept waiting for her to offer just one line of testimony: I have come to know this man, to admire this man, to see his character, his courage, his wisdom, his judgment. Whatever. Anything.

Instead, nothing. She of course endorsed him. But the endorsement was entirely programmatic: We're all Democrats. He's a Democrat. He believes what you believe. So we must elect him -- I am currently unavailable -- to get Democratic things done. God bless America.

Clinton's withholding the "I've come to know this man" was vindictive and supremely self-serving -- but jarring, too, because you realize that if she didn't do it, no one else would. Not because of any inherent deficiency in Obama's character. But simply as a reflection of a young life with a biography remarkably thin by the standard of presidential candidates.

Who was there to speak about the real Barack Obama? His wife. She could tell you about Barack the father, the husband, the family man in a winning and perfectly sincere way. But that takes you only so far. It doesn't take you to the public man, the national leader.

Who is to testify to that? Hillary's husband on night three did aver that Obama is "ready to lead." However, he offered not a shred of evidence, let alone personal experience with Obama. And although he pulled it off charmingly, everyone knew that, having been suggesting precisely the opposite for months, he meant not a word of it.

Obama's vice presidential selection, Joe Biden, naturally advertised his patron's virtues, such as the fact that he had "reached across party lines to . . . keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists." But securing loose nukes is as bipartisan as motherhood and as uncontroversial as apple pie. The measure was so minimal that it passed by voice vote and received near zero media coverage. .........................

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 08:32 PM

Incorrigible1 on Aug 29 2008, 01:13 PM, said:

Charles Krauthammer
Friday, August 29, 2008; Page A15

Barack Obama is an immensely talented man whose talents have been largely devoted to crafting, and chronicling, his own life. Not things. Not ideas. Not institutions. But himself.

Nothing wrong or even terribly odd about that, except that he is laying claim to the job of crafting the coming history of the United States. A leap of such audacity is odd. The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments -- bearing even fewer witnesses.

When John Kerry was introduced at his convention four years ago, an honor guard of a dozen mates from his Vietnam days surrounded him on the podium attesting to his character and readiness to lead. Such personal testimonials are the norm. The roster of fellow soldiers or fellow senators who could from personal experience vouch for John McCain is rather long. At a less partisan date in the calendar, that roster might even include Democrats Russ Feingold and Edward Kennedy, with whom John McCain has worked to fashion important legislation.

Eerily missing at the Democratic convention this year were people of stature who were seriously involved at some point in Obama's life standing up to say: I know Barack Obama. I've been with Barack Obama. We've toiled/endured together. You can trust him. I do.

Hillary Clinton could have said something like that. She and Obama had, after all, engaged in a historic, utterly compelling contest for the nomination. During her convention speech, you kept waiting for her to offer just one line of testimony: I have come to know this man, to admire this man, to see his character, his courage, his wisdom, his judgment. Whatever. Anything.

Instead, nothing. She of course endorsed him. But the endorsement was entirely programmatic: We're all Democrats. He's a Democrat. He believes what you believe. So we must elect him -- I am currently unavailable -- to get Democratic things done. God bless America.

Clinton's withholding the "I've come to know this man" was vindictive and supremely self-serving -- but jarring, too, because you realize that if she didn't do it, no one else would. Not because of any inherent deficiency in Obama's character. But simply as a reflection of a young life with a biography remarkably thin by the standard of presidential candidates.

Who was there to speak about the real Barack Obama? His wife. She could tell you about Barack the father, the husband, the family man in a winning and perfectly sincere way. But that takes you only so far. It doesn't take you to the public man, the national leader.

Who is to testify to that? Hillary's husband on night three did aver that Obama is "ready to lead." However, he offered not a shred of evidence, let alone personal experience with Obama. And although he pulled it off charmingly, everyone knew that, having been suggesting precisely the opposite for months, he meant not a word of it.

Obama's vice presidential selection, Joe Biden, naturally advertised his patron's virtues, such as the fact that he had "reached across party lines to . . . keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists." But securing loose nukes is as bipartisan as motherhood and as uncontroversial as apple pie. The measure was so minimal that it passed by voice vote and received near zero media coverage. .........................



I don't care what Charles Krauthhamer has to say. He's a neo-con, a member of the PNAC, and I don't like him.

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Posted 29 August 2008 - 08:34 PM

IrishAidan on Aug 29 2008, 03:32 PM, said:

I don't care what Charles Krauthhamer has to say. He's a neo-con, a member of the PNAC, and I don't like him.

I took the liberty to quote him merely to lopsidedly balance the constant liberal far left postings rampant here. Of course you're not required to read Krauthammer. In a nutshell, he states Obama has not really done anything to hang his hat upon.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 02:14 AM

Incorrigible1 on Aug 29 2008, 11:13 AM, said:

Charles Krauthammer
Friday, August 29, 2008; Page A15

Barack Obama is an immensely talented man whose talents have been largely devoted to crafting, and chronicling, his own life. Not things. Not ideas. Not institutions. But himself.


Strong words from a supporter of a man whose entire campaign has been based on his heroism in being a POW and his reputation as a "maverick". You were saying, Charles?

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Nothing wrong or even terribly odd about that, except that he is laying claim to the job of crafting the coming history of the United States. A leap of such audacity is odd. The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments -- bearing even fewer witnesses.


In what lunatic land was he living? Virtually all the reports I've read suggest that Obama really helped put down old fears, along with the Clintons' help - hence the 8-10 point bounce.

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When John Kerry was introduced at his convention four years ago, an honor guard of a dozen mates from his Vietnam days surrounded him on the podium attesting to his character and readiness to lead. Such personal testimonials are the norm. The roster of fellow soldiers or fellow senators who could from personal experience vouch for John McCain is rather long. At a less partisan date in the calendar, that roster might even include Democrats Russ Feingold and Edward Kennedy, with whom John McCain has worked to fashion important legislation.


It's easy to praise John Kerry after your buddies distorted and lied about his record to get a rich-b****-draft-dodger in office, eh, Charles?

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Eerily missing at the Democratic convention this year were people of stature who were seriously involved at some point in Obama's life standing up to say: I know Barack Obama. I've been with Barack Obama. We've toiled/endured together. You can trust him. I do.


Aside from his family, you mean. And Dick Durbin, the senior senator. And colleagues from his state legislature days.

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Hillary Clinton could have said something like that. She and Obama had, after all, engaged in a historic, utterly compelling contest for the nomination. During her convention speech, you kept waiting for her to offer just one line of testimony: I have come to know this man, to admire this man, to see his character, his courage, his wisdom, his judgment. Whatever. Anything.

Instead, nothing. She of course endorsed him. But the endorsement was entirely programmatic: We're all Democrats. He's a Democrat. He believes what you believe. So we must elect him -- I am currently unavailable -- to get Democratic things done. God bless America.


She pointed out that he's much better than the alternative - something which I suspect McCain will do at his convention.

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Clinton's withholding the "I've come to know this man" was vindictive and supremely self-serving -- but jarring, too, because you realize that if she didn't do it, no one else would. Not because of any inherent deficiency in Obama's character. But simply as a reflection of a young life with a biography remarkably thin by the standard of presidential candidates.


Obama's never made pretensions that his main qualifications lie in experience.

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Who was there to speak about the real Barack Obama? His wife. She could tell you about Barack the father, the husband, the family man in a winning and perfectly sincere way. But that takes you only so far. It doesn't take you to the public man, the national leader.

Who is to testify to that? Hillary's husband on night three did aver that Obama is "ready to lead." However, he offered not a shred of evidence, let alone personal experience with Obama. And although he pulled it off charmingly, everyone knew that, having been suggesting precisely the opposite for months, he meant not a word of it.

Obama's vice presidential selection, Joe Biden, naturally advertised his patron's virtues, such as the fact that he had "reached across party lines to . . . keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists." But securing loose nukes is as bipartisan as motherhood and as uncontroversial as apple pie. The measure was so minimal that it passed by voice vote and received near zero media coverage. .........................


Is he going to do this with every colleague who got up and supports Barack Obama? Not that it would surprise me coming from Charles Krauthammer.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 04:05 AM

Guardsman Bass on Aug 29 2008, 09:14 PM, said:

Charles Krauthammer)


The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments -- bearing even fewer witnesses.



In what lunatic land was he living? Virtually all the reports I've read suggest that Obama really helped put down old fears, along with the Clintons' help - hence the 8-10 point bounce.

Incorrigible1)

Pshh! "All the reports you've read." Heh! "8-10 point bounce." Hah! McCain's people prepared for a 15 point post-convention bounce. You're rather humorous.




It's easy to praise John Kerry after your buddies distorted and lied about his record to get a rich-b****-draft-dodger in office, eh, Charles?

Incorrigible1)

Are you talking about 2004's campaign versus John "I served in VietNam" Kerry? And what were those lies? That Kerry exaggerated his VietNam exploits? His bandaid Purple Heart, in which he wounded himself? Please document the lies you claim, Guardsman Bass.





Obama's never made pretensions that his main qualifications lie in experience.

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The experience (or lack thereof) the freshman senator from Illinois has had in (less than) his first term?




Is he going to do this with every colleague who got up and supports Barack Obama? Not that it would surprise me coming from Charles Krauthammer.

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Krauthammer's blog was mentioning just how few were able to mention Obama's actual accomplishments. Yo, said:


The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments -- bearing even fewer witnesses.



In what lunatic land was he living? Virtually all the reports I've read suggest that Obama really helped put down old fears, along with the Clintons' help - hence the 8-10 point bounce.

QUOTE (Incorrigible1)
Pshh! "All the reports you've read." Heh! "8-10 point bounce." Hah! McCain's people prepared for a 15 point post-convention bounce. You're rather humorous.




It's easy to praise John Kerry after your buddies distorted and lied about his record to get a rich-b****-draft-dodger in office, eh, Charles?
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Are you talking about 2004's campaign versus John "I served in VietNam" Kerry? And what were those lies? That Kerry exaggerated his VietNam exploits? His bandaid Purple Heart, in which he wounded himself? Please document the lies you claim, Guardsman Bass.





Obama's never made pretensions that his main qualifications lie in experience.
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Th, said:


The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments -- bearing even fewer witnesses.



In what lunatic land was he living? Virtually all the reports I've read suggest that Obama really helped put down old fears, along with the Clintons' help - hence the 8-10 point bounce.

QUOTE (Incorrigible1)
Pshh! "All the reports you've read." Heh! "8-10 point bounce." Hah! McCain's people prepared for a 15 point post-convention bounce. You're rather humorous.




It's easy to praise John Kerry after your buddies distorted and lied about his record to get a rich-b****-draft-dodger in office, eh, Charles?
QUOTE (Incorrigible1)
Are you talking about 2004's campaign versus John "I served in VietNam" Kerry? And what were those lies? That Kerry exaggerated his VietNam exploits? His bandaid Purple Heart, in which he wounded himself? Please document the lies you claim, Guardsman Bass.





Obama's never made pretensions that his main qualifications lie in experience.
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The experience (or lack thereof) the freshman senator from Illinois has had in (less than) his first term?




Is he going to do this with every colleague who got up and supports Barack Obama? Not that it would surprise me coming from Charles Krauthammer.

QUOTE (Incorrigible1)
Krauthammer's blog was mentioning just how few were able to mention Obama's actual accomplishments. Yo, said:


The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments -- bearing even fewer witnesses.



In what lunatic land was he living? Virtually all the reports I've read suggest that Obama really helped put down old fears, along with the Clintons' help - hence the 8-1, said:


The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments -- bearing even fewer witnesses.



In what lunatic land was he living? Virtually all the reports I've read suggest that Obama really helped put down old fears, along with the Clintons' help - hence the 8-10 point bounce.

Incorrigible1)

Pshh! "All the reports you've read." Heh! "8-10 point bounce." Hah! McCain's people prepared for a 15 point post-convention bounce. You're rather humorous.
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In what lunatic land was he living? Virtually all the reports I've read suggest that Obama really helped put down old fears, along with the Clintons' help - hence the 8-10 point bounce.

Incorrigible1)

Pshh! "All the reports you've read." Heh! "8-10 point bounce." Hah! McCain's people prepared for a 15 point post-convention bounce. You're rather humorous.
icize Krauthammer, yet he's the messenger, pointing out your emperor is wearing few clothes.



Edited by Incorrigible1, 30 August 2008 - 04:37 AM.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 08:54 AM

Jesus Christ. Fix those bloody quote tags, then I'll respond to you.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 09:00 AM

Guardsman Bass on Aug 30 2008, 04:54 AM, said:

Jesus Christ. Fix those bloody quote tags, then I'll respond to you.



LOL.

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Posted 02 September 2008 - 01:30 PM

Rosewin on Aug 26 2008, 02:47 PM, said:

lollin @ fox news

I doubt the protest will reach the levels of the 1960s. We had a whole counter culture among the youth then. Today the youth is strictly part of the consumer culture which means they are products of corporations...the same as the presidents.

Well it just did. Delegates at the Republican National Convention been attacked,  harrassed, their bus been thrown bricks and bottled at, their eyes sprayed with some substance, one delegate was hurt, car windows smashed, tires slashed.



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