Jump to content




Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries! Please sign in or create an account to start posting and to access a host of extra features.


- - - - -

Socialism?


  • Please log in to reply
44 replies to this topic

#16    BlindMessiah

BlindMessiah

    Telekinetic

  • Member
  • 7,066 posts
  • Joined:21 Dec 2007
  • Gender:Not Selected

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:27 PM

Neognosis on Aug 28 2008, 08:07 PM, said:

That's ridiculous. Jews and Muslmis will still be warring over territory, there will still be tension over oil prices, fundamentalists will still seek to impose their views on others.


You're missing the point. If we were helping each other, Jews and Muslims wouldn't be killing each other. That's my point. I understand this isn't going to happen, so of course it would seem naive. The point is, if everyone actually cared, it would only take a few weeks to fix the world. As for oil prices, we don't need oil. The technology exists to remove oil completely and turn to other energies. The powers that be don't want this however. As for pollution and your point on the FDA, in this hypothetical situation, people would forget about greed and take some pay cuts to not pollute and to further test their products to a point where you don't need an FDA. It would be a society built on trust, rather than conspiracies and lies. I didn't say this world would happen, I said if every single human acted on this notion today, it would. Think about the domino affect that would occur if every person were to not harm anyone for a week, and were to help two people. This won't happen today, but it can start. It can start with you and it can start with me.


#17    Neognosis

Neognosis

    Telekinetic

  • Member
  • 7,159 posts
  • Joined:12 Sep 2007
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:rochester, NY USA

  • Just try not to hurt anybody, ok?

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:32 PM

Quote

You're missing the point. If we were helping each other, Jews and Muslims wouldn't be killing each other. That's my point


I get your point. It's just a little bit too pie in the sky, lollipop and gumdrop unrealistic for me to let it slide.

You can't fix the world in a few weeks, even if people were helping other people. You're basically requiring a complete 180 on human nature. YOu might as well say nothing.

Quote

Think about the domino affect that would occur if every person were to not harm anyone for a week, and were to help two people.


You would need a lot more than helping two people to bring about the fantastical changes you are talking about.


#18    BlindMessiah

BlindMessiah

    Telekinetic

  • Member
  • 7,066 posts
  • Joined:21 Dec 2007
  • Gender:Not Selected

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:41 PM

Neognosis on Aug 28 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

I get your point. It's just a little bit too pie in the sky, lollipop and gumdrop unrealistic for me to let it slide.

You can't fix the world in a few weeks, even if people were helping other people. You're basically requiring a complete 180 on human nature. YOu might as well say nothing.

Obviously. It will take hundreds of years for this to become a reality even if people were to act now. However, it's easy to belittle and idea by comparing it to candy. I don't really understand your comment on me saying nothing. Could you elaborate?

Quote

You would need a lot more than helping two people to bring about the fantastical changes you are talking about.


Not true. Think about it mathematically. There are six billion people on this planet. If everyone helped two, twelve billion would get helped. Now think how much easier your life would be if every day no one worked against you, and two people helped you out. The world would start to see huge changes in weeks. First of all there would be no war. There would be no starvation. There would be no homeless. That could happen in a few weeks. We have the resources, we have the intelligence, all we need is the will and the discipline to act.


#19    Dixie-Girl

Dixie-Girl

    Alien Embryo

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 88 posts
  • Joined:09 Apr 2008
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisiana

  • "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life, son." -Dean Wormer-Animal House

    GEAUX TIGERS!!!!

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:45 PM

Neognosis on Aug 28 2008, 02:26 PM, said:

Where does it say that the gov't can levy an income tax?

Where does it say that the gov't CAN'T adopt universal health care? Where in the constitution does it say that the gov't is responsible for building and maintaining roads?

That's a poor argument, as in 2008 we do a lot of things that they didn't consider to include or exclude in the constitution.


Government run healthcare in Canada, France and Britian is failing. Why would it work here. If you've ever tried to get medical services in a VA Hospital or Clinic, you know what the future of American healthcare will be like under Obama. "Take a number please..."

Laissez les bon temps rouler!

#20    BlindMessiah

BlindMessiah

    Telekinetic

  • Member
  • 7,066 posts
  • Joined:21 Dec 2007
  • Gender:Not Selected

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:47 PM

Dixie-Girl on Aug 28 2008, 08:45 PM, said:

Government run healthcare in Canada, France and Britian is failing. Why would it work here. If you've ever tried to get medical services in a VA Hospital or Clinic, you know what the future of American healthcare will be like under Obama. "Take a number please..."


I think that has probably been exaggerated by Republicans. I have a friend who lives in Toronto and says he loves their health care system.

Edited by BlindMessiah, 28 August 2008 - 07:52 PM.


#21    Dixie-Girl

Dixie-Girl

    Alien Embryo

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 88 posts
  • Joined:09 Apr 2008
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisiana

  • "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life, son." -Dean Wormer-Animal House

    GEAUX TIGERS!!!!

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:48 PM

Quote

If all of us were to pursue success and use that to help the less fortunate, we can fix society.


Yes but who is less fortunte? A person who has a disability and can't work...of course. A person who is physically healthy but is used to being on the government dole? Hardly. That's where we go from a valid responsability to care for the less fortunate to socialism.

Didn't Hurrican Katrina teach us anything? The dark side of that city had a bright light upon it. We saw how the City of New Orleans had set up a welfare state and the people left behind were totally dependant....many still are to this day.




Laissez les bon temps rouler!

#22    BlindMessiah

BlindMessiah

    Telekinetic

  • Member
  • 7,066 posts
  • Joined:21 Dec 2007
  • Gender:Not Selected

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:51 PM

Dixie-Girl on Aug 28 2008, 07:48 PM, said:

Yes but who is less fortunte? A person who has a disability and can't work...of course. A person who is physically healthy but is used to being on the government dole? Hardly. That's where we go from a valid responsability to care for the less fortunate to socialism.


*ahem* If everyone pursued success and helped the less fortunate, the physically healthy person you named would be doing so.



#23    Dixie-Girl

Dixie-Girl

    Alien Embryo

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 88 posts
  • Joined:09 Apr 2008
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisiana

  • "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life, son." -Dean Wormer-Animal House

    GEAUX TIGERS!!!!

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:51 PM

BlindMessiah on Aug 28 2008, 02:47 PM, said:

I think has probably been exaggerated by Republicans.



On the VA Clinic and hospital thing I'm speaking from personal experience. My husband is a disabled vet. I promise you, I'm being kind. A hospital stay for us was a nightmare.

My husband's family in Canada spend hundreds of dollars traveling back to the US when they need surgery or really anything other than cough syrup. In a government run system, when you need urgent surgery, you're placed on a waiting list...it can be many months long.

Laissez les bon temps rouler!

#24    BlindMessiah

BlindMessiah

    Telekinetic

  • Member
  • 7,066 posts
  • Joined:21 Dec 2007
  • Gender:Not Selected

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:53 PM

Dixie-Girl on Aug 28 2008, 07:51 PM, said:

On the VA Clinic and hospital thing I'm speaking from personal experience. My husband is a disabled vet. I promise you, I'm being kind. A hospital stay for us was a nightmare.

My husband's family in Canada spend hundreds of dollars traveling back to the US when they need surgery or really anything other than cough syrup. In a government run system, when you need urgent surgery, you're placed on a waiting list...it can be many months long.


I edited the post you replied to...


#25    Dixie-Girl

Dixie-Girl

    Alien Embryo

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 88 posts
  • Joined:09 Apr 2008
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisiana

  • "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life, son." -Dean Wormer-Animal House

    GEAUX TIGERS!!!!

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:54 PM

BlindMessiah on Aug 28 2008, 02:51 PM, said:

*ahem* If everyone pursued success and helped the less fortunate, the physically healthy person you named would be doing so.



"IF" they did. I'm talking about people who walk into my office every day wanting a mortgage to buy a home and they're getting $3,000 in social security disability because they have asthma and 5 kids.

Laissez les bon temps rouler!

#26    BlindMessiah

BlindMessiah

    Telekinetic

  • Member
  • 7,066 posts
  • Joined:21 Dec 2007
  • Gender:Not Selected

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:55 PM

Dixie-Girl on Aug 28 2008, 08:54 PM, said:

"IF" they did. I'm talking about people who walk into my office every day wanting a mortgage to buy a home and they're getting $3,000 in social security disability because they have asthma and 5 kids.


That's fine. But you brought that up in regards to my hypothetical. I'm not excusing their actions. However, in my post, I was speaking idealogically.


#27    Dixie-Girl

Dixie-Girl

    Alien Embryo

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 88 posts
  • Joined:09 Apr 2008
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisiana

  • "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life, son." -Dean Wormer-Animal House

    GEAUX TIGERS!!!!

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:57 PM

BlindMessiah on Aug 28 2008, 02:47 PM, said:

I think that has probably been exaggerated by Republicans. I have a friend who lives in Toronto and says he loves their health care system.


Well, we can't argue this point if we're hearing different things.

I did however read an article recently about how pregnant women in Canada are being flown to US hospitals because there's just no room and not enough staff back home. I wish I knew where that article was. I'll try to find it.

Laissez les bon temps rouler!

#28    Neognosis

Neognosis

    Telekinetic

  • Member
  • 7,159 posts
  • Joined:12 Sep 2007
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:rochester, NY USA

  • Just try not to hurt anybody, ok?

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:57 PM

Quote

I think that has probably been exaggerated by Republicans. I have a friend who lives in Toronto and says he loves their health care system.


That's what Dixie does. She IS one of those repubicans exaggerating things and painting an innacurate picture.

By the way, the VA hospital system you are using as a basis for your conclusion had its funding cut.....but not by democrats.


#29    Dixie-Girl

Dixie-Girl

    Alien Embryo

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 88 posts
  • Joined:09 Apr 2008
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisiana

  • "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life, son." -Dean Wormer-Animal House

    GEAUX TIGERS!!!!

Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:58 PM

BlindMessiah on Aug 28 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

That's fine. But you brought that up in regards to my hypothetical. I'm not excusing their actions. However, in my post, I was speaking idealogically.



Would be nice woudn't it? Sorry if I misread that post.

Laissez les bon temps rouler!

#30    Dixie-Girl

Dixie-Girl

    Alien Embryo

  • Member
  • Pip
  • 88 posts
  • Joined:09 Apr 2008
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisiana

  • "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life, son." -Dean Wormer-Animal House

    GEAUX TIGERS!!!!

Posted 28 August 2008 - 08:00 PM

Neognosis on Aug 28 2008, 02:57 PM, said:

That's what Dixie does. She IS one of those repubicans exaggerating things and painting an innacurate picture.

By the way, the VA hospital system you are using as a basis for your conclusion had its funding cut.....but not by democrats.



There's no need to get testy. I'm not exagerrating or making up anything. Why would I waste my time on nonsense like that? Everything I say I know to be true or I wouldn't say it.

No matter who cut funding, if you think that same fate would be avoided if our health care were suddenly run by the government, you're fooling yourself. My God, the government has botched our social security system and we're going to hand our healthcare over to them? No thanks.

Laissez les bon temps rouler!




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users