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#1    Incorrigible1

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 07:24 AM

Do you favor increased fuel prices to spur/encourage further alternative fuel sources?

I ask because I've encountered (I believe) such thought, here on this forum.

Do you favor increasing gasoline prices to spur the necessity for alternative fuels?

Simple question, and your reasoning welcomed. No need for another dumb poll!

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 07:27 AM

Incorrigible1 on Aug 30 2008, 03:24 AM, said:

Do you favor increased fuel prices to spur/encourage further alternative fuel sources?

I ask because I've encountered (I believe) such thought, here on this forum.

Do you favor increasing gasoline prices to spur the necessity for alternative fuels?

Simple question, and your reasoning welcomed. No need for another dumb poll!


No. And Obama won't raise fuel prices.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 07:47 AM

IrishAidan on Aug 30 2008, 02:27 AM, said:

No. And Obama won't raise fuel prices.

Like he has a real choice in the matter. Directly.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 07:51 AM

Incorrigible1 on Aug 30 2008, 03:47 AM, said:

Like he has a real choice in the matter. Directly.


Well, not directly, but I dun think he'll propose it. Do you?

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 08:00 AM

IrishAidan on Aug 30 2008, 02:51 AM, said:

Well, not directly, but I dun think he'll propose it. Do you?

Has any president? No.



Just what are your expectations? Geez, there's a president. You know, that person doesn't set fuel prices. Right?


Edit: Sometimes I can't help wonder younger generations expectations. We live in a free market. No one sets prices.

Edited by Incorrigible1, 30 August 2008 - 08:02 AM.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 08:05 AM

Incorrigible1 on Aug 30 2008, 04:00 AM, said:

Has any president? No.



Just what are your expectations? Geez, there's a president. You know, that person doesn't set fuel prices. Right?


Edit: Sometimes I can't help wonder younger generations expectations. We live in a free market. No one sets prices.


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Edited by IrishAidan, 30 August 2008 - 08:10 AM.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 08:12 AM

IrishAidan on Aug 30 2008, 03:05 AM, said:

Never ceases to amaze me how quickly older generations forget about the infamous "Bully Pulpit."   grin2.gif

Guess I'm just a dumb young'in....

Just sayin', if you believe somehow the next elected president has a direct handle on the price of fuel, that's not how it works.

They can sorta steer markets,  but not much more.

Just as J. Carter didn't have a great deal of control over the rationing that became necessary during his term. Oh yeah, I remember purchasing fuel according to the odd/even number on my license plate.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 08:17 AM

Incorrigible1 on Aug 30 2008, 04:12 AM, said:

Just sayin', if you believe somehow the next elected president has a direct handle on the price of fuel, that's not how it works.


Guess a president has no right to PROPOSE anything. Similarly, even though popular, nobody will listen to he or she when they say this or that.

Although, it isn't "direct," as Incon said.

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They can sorta steer markets,  but not much more.


I can jive with that.

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Just as J. Carter didn't have a great deal of control over the rationing that became necessary during his term. Oh yeah, I remember purchasing fuel according to the odd/even number on my license plate.


And Carter didn't decide that on his own.  grin2.gif "Bully Pulpit" can be for the good -- or the bad.

Either way, I know what Incon meant. Smart guy. Can't help but to like him.

Edited by IrishAidan, 30 August 2008 - 08:23 AM.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 08:36 AM

Well, considering that the common people bear the brunt of such prices, and their role could be considered a "squeaky wheel" at best when alternative fuels are concerned, then no, I don't agree that higher fuel costs really help spur the need for alternative fuels very much. I think that lately it has become evident that we need to get away from oil as our main fuel, there are too many benefits to mention. JMO thumbsup.gif

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 08:52 AM

Yes. They are a very effective way of getting to greatly increased fuel efficiency as well as increased use of more efficient methods of transit (including more trains), and certainly much simpler than trying to get to greater fuel efficiency via more complex standards like fuel efficiency standards and so forth. Plus, they help move the US towards a significantly less oil-dependent society, which is definitely a good thing; the greater mass of our convention reserves are gone, so we're going to import more and more over time unless we change.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 02:25 PM

IrishAidan on Aug 30 2008, 03:27 AM, said:

No. And Obama won't raise fuel prices.


Why not? He's already on record saying he only wishes the increase had been slower, not that the increase didn't happen at all.


I don't understand the problem with higher gas prices anyway. For all my adult life I have heard some people lament "It's not fair! We pay soooooo much less for gas than in Europe. It's not fair!" So now that we are paying much more for gas they should be happy. But they aren't. Why not?  tongue.gif

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 02:44 PM

No. Take whatever steps are necessary to get the price lower while at the same time invest more resources in developing alternative fuels.  

Ask the over-the-road independent truck drivers if they like prices kept high. If you support the idea you'd probably get a lug wrench beating.




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Posted 30 August 2008 - 02:49 PM

IrishAidan on Aug 30 2008, 02:27 AM, said:

No. And Obama won't raise fuel prices.

How do you figure? He has proposed a wind fall profits tax of oil corporations and increase federal gas taxes at the pump, so that will naturally be passed down to consumers in the form of higher gasoline prices.  Economics 101.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 02:52 PM

I don't favor furthur increased fuel prices.

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 02:56 PM

I say take measures for more efficient consumption of Oil like discourage those mammoth SUV's and then drill.
That will bring the price down.
We don't even have to push for alternative, it will just be there once there is a market for it. Research has been going on for the past 20 years on it, just that what is available does not have a market yet.

Edited by AROCES, 30 August 2008 - 02:59 PM.





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