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[Harte]

legionromanes on Dec 16 2008, 04:19 PM, said:

Ab
of all the skulls in the link I posted that looks most like "A" in my opinion, can you give me yours please ?

You want Abramelin's skull?  You realize, of course, that he's still using it?

Don't give it to him just yet, Abramelin!

Harte

[legionromanes]

lol well I know that hes not going to agree with me
what else is new ?

[Abramelin]

Yeah, I take Legion serious all of the time, but sometimes his requests are a bit odd..

Say Legion, the skull I posted is of a Homo Erectus.

Don't believe me, check the link I posted.

Edited by Abramelin, 16 December 2008 - 11:32 PM.

[legionromanes]

Abramelin on Dec 16 2008, 11:31 PM, said:

Yeah, I take Legion serious all of the time, but sometimes his requests are a bit odd..

Say Legion, the skull I posted is of a Homo Erectus.

Don't believe me, check the link I posted.

I get what youre saying Ab I really do, you wanted to convey the idea that you saw a homo erectus skull in the americas and to do so you posted a picture of a known homo (hono) erectus skull

but which skull in the link I posted do you think it most resembled, obviously the modern human is on the bottom right and the skulls decrease in human evolutionary steps up to the top left

[Abramelin]

legionromanes on Dec 17 2008, 12:35 AM, said:

I get what youre saying Ab I really do, you wanted to convey the idea that you saw a homo erectus skull in the americas and to do so you posted a picture of a known homo (hono) erectus skull

but which skull in the link I posted do you think it most resembled, obviously the modern human is on the bottom right and the skulls decrease in human evolutionary steps up to the top left

OK, I'd say D or E, but the eyebrow ridges were more pronounced.

[Abramelin]

And I'd like to add: if anyone here thinks I am bullsh*itting you all, go to that monastery when you are on a vacation in Peru/Arequipa and check it out; it's worth the travel, even if you don't visit that monastery.

I lived there for half a year.

[The Puzzler]

The amazing Australian Rex Gilroy claims to have Homo Erectus skulls from Australia.

This excerpt is also from his latest book:

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http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/chapter1.html
One day in 1931 on a windswept sandhill, the remains of the shoreline a long-vanished lake about 100km south of the Murray River, at Glenloth, Victoria, John Gibbs, a 10 year old local boy, was playing in the shell grit of an ancient Aboriginal midden. In a basin of the sandhill amid the debris of broken shells, he picked up a large fragmenting football-size lump of petrified mud. Protruding from one of the fragments, he found a small bronze coin. Years later a Melbourne Museum numismatist would identify it as Greek, and that it had been minted in Egypt during the reign of the Greek Ptolemy Philometor the 6th in the 2nd century B.C.

There will be more to say about this coin in a future chapter. The suggestion as to how the coin turned up where it was found is of course that it had been left behind by ancient visitors; Greek explorers perhaps, or even Arabs, Indians or Malayans with whom the Greeks traded.

Similarly, in 1961 a family picnicking on the Daly River, west of Katherine in the Northern territory, found a gold scarab, an object of worship of the ancient Egyptians. How did this valuable ornament find its way to such a remote location? One might ask the same question of a carved stone head of the ancient Chinese Goddess Shao Lin {protectress of mariners at sea} removed from a beachfront hillside at Milton, on the New South Wales far south coast in 1983.

The many ancient rock inscriptions of Phoenician, Libyan, Egyptian, Celtic, Scandinavian and other origins that have turned up across Australia. Relics, rock inscriptions and megalithic ruins left here by seafaring adventurers who came here from civilisations now long turned to dust. They sailed in search of new lands rich in gold, silver, copper and tin, precious stones and pearls, using the worlds' oceans as watery highways.

It is one of the objectives of this book to demonstrate that these people not only discovered and mined the mysterious "great south land" and its neighbours, but established colonies {some of which may have survived for generations} and were large and important enough to establish a local ruling class. By the time they vanished they had influenced the cultures of the native peoples of the region, leaving behind them ghostly megalithic ruins of temples, tombs and pyramids and rock scripts in a host of ancient tongues; relics that continue to perplex conservative historians and question the dogma that the peoples of the ancient world lacked the ability to construct and navigate oceangoing water craft.

The fact is that people were putting to sea centuries before the invention of a written language, and that the water craft they sailed in were far from flimsy. Although my book concerns the 'unknown' history of Australia's discovery and exploration, it also is to some degree a history of ancient mining activities throughout the Australian-West Pacific region. In forthcoming chapters, I shall demonstrate that, at various times in antiquity, and during the Copper and Bronze ages in particular, Australia's coastline saw the sails of mineral-seeking peoples from many ancient exotic lands.

There is evidences of this in Australia, I am positive ancient sea faring extended to Australia's shores back at least 2000 years ago. Before the decline of Egypt and Phoenicia. That travels were made to the America's I'm certain. I believe the evidences are hard to find because so few Europeans stayed on in the land due to the areas they arrived in being able to be plundered but not liveable for them.

In one of Abramelin's posts it is correct that there was at least 70 miles of open sea for them to travel across to get to the mainland.

Edited by The Puzzler, 17 December 2008 - 01:27 PM.

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin on Dec 17 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

And I'd like to add: if anyone here thinks I am bullsh*itting you all, go to that monastery when you are on a vacation in Peru/Arequipa and check it out; it's worth the travel, even if you don't visit that monastery.

I lived there for half a year.

It could be the missing skull cap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ever seen this?

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The following information on the missing calotte also comes from Beattie et al, 1984:

The animal and human bones from these excavations were stored in crates in the State University in Belo Horizonte. The collection of megafaunal bones was examined for indications of human workmanship. Evidence of chopping with an axe or an adze before fossilization was found on several long bones, demonstrating the direct association of man with pleistocene megafauna. All of the chopped bones were stained red, and some were traceable by inked markings to specific caves. A few megafaunal bones in this collection were stained black, as was an unmarked human calotte, the subject of this report. The chopped bones and the calotte were photographed, but there was no time to describe and measure the calotte. All of these items had become lost by 1975.
The calotte may or may not date to the Pleistocene. Populations with heavy browridges are known elsewhere in the Americas from Holocene contexts. The calotte is significant not so much because it may be old but because it suggests that a transitional form of early Homo sapiens was present in America as well as in east Asia. In fact, the closest morphological similarities are with transitional Homo Sapiens in China and Australia.

Evidence for a Homo erectus-like creature or a transitional form to Homo sapiens in South America would at any time be a major scientific sensation and the ruin of many a theory.

Homo erectus was an early human form who is known to have lived in northern Africa, the Caucasus, China and Java between 1,8 million and 40,000 years ago. These very early humans were the first of their species known to have spread far outside Africa. It is thought that Homo sapiens developed out of (or branched off from) Homo erectus - in other words, that erectus is our direct ancestors. Could the transformation from erectus to sapiens have included the Americas besides Asia and Europe? It is hard to see how this could be so. Homo erectus besides his known talents would also have had to be an alarmingly early and competent sailor.

The association with Homo erectus has to be purely speculative in the absence of the hard evidence. There is also a less sensational possibility that Beattie also notes: populations with heavy browridges are known elsewhere in the Americas from Holocene contexts. But do these alternatives have skulls as inhumanely thick and with browridges as huge as those shown in the photographs above? Unlikely - for if they had, they would have been the talk of the anthropological community.

Conspiracy theories should be resisted but the fact that precisely this most unusual and potential theory-busting find should have gone missing does, to put it mildly, makes one think unkind thoughts.

In 1984 Beattie et al also noted, rather forlornly, that

the possibility that by now the calotte has come into the possession of someone who does not know its history but would be willing to have it properly analyzed is the reason for presenting this report in an international anthropological journal.
http://www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter54/text...-LagoaSanta.htm

That website should be viewed by everyone here, it has much on skulls including Lucia (Luzia) and many more statistics about ancient human and animal finds in South America.

[Abramelin]

Lol, no: it was not just a skull cap, it was a complete skull. However it was flattened sideways, as though pressed into the stone.

Btw, the number of "Atlantis" threads on this site is quite large, and I was wondering where to post the next piece of text I found. Well, this is the thread with several posts about Australia...

The eons-old trend to aridification of the continent reached a peak with the last ice age. The period from 18,000 to 15,000 years ago saw most of the continent become desert for a time. A number of mammal species, mostly rodents, arrived over the Indonesian landbridge. Roughly 13,000 years ago, the Torres Strait connection, the Bassian Plain between modern-day Victoria and Tasmania, and the link from Kangaroo Island disappeared under the rising sea. The end of the ice age was quite abrupt according to Aboriginal legends which talk of fish falling from the sky and tsunamis.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/H...lia-before-1901

Edited by Abramelin, 17 December 2008 - 08:05 PM.

[Oniomancer]

Abramelin on Dec 17 2008, 02:59 PM, said:

Lol, no: it was not just a skull cap, it was a complete skull. However it was flattened sideways, as though pressed into the stone.

If it's that badly squashed, how do you know for sure it's a homonid and not a monkey? Heck, maybe you found Loy's ape.

[Abramelin]

Believe me, it was the skull of a human. No monkey looks like that.

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin on Dec 18 2008, 05:59 AM, said:

Lol, no: it was not just a skull cap, it was a complete skull. However it was flattened sideways, as though pressed into the stone.

Btw, the number of "Atlantis" threads on this site is quite large, and I was wondering where to post the next piece of text I found. Well, this is the thread with several posts about Australia...

The eons-old trend to aridification of the continent reached a peak with the last ice age. The period from 18,000 to 15,000 years ago saw most of the continent become desert for a time. A number of mammal species, mostly rodents, arrived over the Indonesian landbridge. Roughly 13,000 years ago, the Torres Strait connection, the Bassian Plain between modern-day Victoria and Tasmania, and the link from Kangaroo Island disappeared under the rising sea. The end of the ice age was quite abrupt according to Aboriginal legends which talk of fish falling from the sky and tsunamis.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/H...lia-before-1901

You can always post any Atlantis info in my own thread, Atlantis Discussion Thread.
I am exploring all areas that can be Atlantis related.

[legionromanes]

Abramelin on Dec 18 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

Believe me, it was the skull of a human. No monkey looks like that.

where did you get your degree in palaeo anthropology ?

[Abramelin]

legionromanes on Dec 22 2008, 05:03 PM, said:

where did you get your degree in palaeo anthropology ?

I didn't, but I have eyes in my head.

The skull was the size of the skull of a modern human, it looked human (no large canines for instance), the nose cavity looked human, it's main primitive feature were the large protruding eyebrows.

Btw: you showed me a picture with several skulls in it, and you asked me to tell you which of these skulls resembled most the one I saw. Well, what's your verdict??

[legionromanes]

Abramelin on Dec 23 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

I didn't, but I have eyes in my head.

The skull was the size of the skull of a modern human, it looked human (no large canines for instance), the nose cavity looked human, it's main primitive feature were the large protruding eyebrows.

can't have been erectus then as erectus averaged 1050 cc cranial capacity and modern man is 1600 cc

Abramelin on Dec 23 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

Btw: you showed me a picture with several skulls in it, and you asked me to tell you which of these skulls resembled most the one I saw. Well, what's your verdict??

Homo Erectus was skull I
you chose D Australopithecus Africanus and E Homo Habilis