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[Michelle]

Cradle of Fish on Sep 4 2008, 09:00 PM, said:

Any politician who tries to justify such a big thing with God's will should be removed from office immediately. Even if you accept the completely irrational idea that God talks to individual people, how can you tell the difference between God's will and voices in your head?

Didn't eggumby just cover that?

[BlindMessiah]

Lt_Ripley on Sep 4 2008, 08:48 AM, said:

too bad republican insiders don't think that. And it isn't pulling anymore Clinton voters that before picking her. The one's that were upset Clinton didn't get the nomination and turned their backs. Off set btw easily by the number of republicans who have refused to vote for McCain.

I sorta kinda agree. I think there are Clinton supporters who will vote McCain, but as you said, nothing to do with his vp pick. I don't agree that any significant amount of conservatives will not vote for McCain, while polls show 25% of Clinton supporters will support him. Polls are highly inaccurate but still. As I said before, I don't think McCain is going to have any problems especially with Dobson endorsing him last week.

[BlindMessiah]

Cradle of Fish on Sep 4 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

Any politician who tries to justify such a big thing with God's will should be removed from office immediately.

On what basis? Where exactly in our laws is it illegal for a leader to act on religious convictions? The truth is everyone makes decisions based on their own personal world view. Whether that world view is relgious doesn't matter. If you don't like their world view don't vote for the individual. However, there is no room for attempting to outlaw world views outside of your own.

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Even if you accept the completely irrational idea that God talks to individual people, how can you tell the difference between God's will and voices in your head?

She didn't claim to hear voices.

[AROCES]

BlindMessiah on Sep 4 2008, 10:10 PM, said:

On what basis? Where exactly in our laws is it illegal for a leader to act on religious convictions? The truth is everyone makes decisions based on their own personal world view. Whether that world view is relgious doesn't matter. If you don't like their world view don't vote for the individual. However, there is no room for attempting to outlaw world views outside of your own.

As you can see Liberalism is for free speech, but only if they like what you are saying.

[danielost]

Cradle of Fish on Sep 4 2008, 04:00 PM, said:

Any politician who tries to justify such a big thing with God's will should be removed from office immediately. Even if you accept the completely irrational idea that God talks to individual people, how can you tell the difference between God's will and voices in your head?

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[Rosewin]

People should not invoke the name of God for their own capitalist ventures especially when so much murder and death is involved.

Edited by Rosewin, 04 September 2008 - 09:37 PM.

[Cradle of Fish]

BlindMessiah on Sep 4 2008, 09:10 PM, said:

On what basis? Where exactly in our laws is it illegal for a leader to act on religious convictions? The truth is everyone makes decisions based on their own personal world view. Whether that world view is relgious doesn't matter. If you don't like their world view don't vote for the individual. However, there is no room for attempting to outlaw world views outside of your own.

Acting on religious convictions is one thing, such as working to aleviate poverty and suffering because of your Christian convictions. Going to war because it's what you think God want's is mental illness. If your convictions cause you to make a bad decision, but no harm is done, then there's nothing wrong with it. But this is different. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are dead now because a man heard voices in his head. Removing people with dangerous opinions from positions where they could cause great harm is not stiffling free speech, it's protecting people. Would you put a white supremacist in charge of vaccinating children in Africa? Would you put a voodoo healer in charge of a hospital?

danielost on Sep 4 2008, 09:34 PM, said:

She didn't claim to hear voices.

But Bush did and she's backing up what he said.

danielost on Sep 4 2008, 09:34 PM, said:

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Thousands of innocent people dead.

How about:
'5:38-39  Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.'

'5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;'

If they believe in the same God that said that, along with 'Thou Shalt Not Kill', then clearly the messages they're recieving from God are not accurate.

What really boggles my mind is how these money grubbing republican 'christians' can so often invoke God's will, despite certain things not being prohibited by the Bible, while not sticking to the words of Jesus. Doesn't it seem ridiculous that God is meant to be the all loving all powerful and all knowing, and loves and cares for each individual human being, yet at the same time want's us to kill people for the simple fact that they call their god by a different name?

[BlindMessiah]

Cradle of Fish on Sep 4 2008, 10:25 PM, said:

Acting on religious convictions is one thing, such as working to aleviate poverty and suffering because of your Christian convictions. Going to war because it's what you think God want's is mental illness. If your convictions cause you to make a bad decision, but no harm is done, then there's nothing wrong with it. But this is different. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are dead now because a man heard voices in his head. Removing people with dangerous opinions from positions where they could cause great harm is not stiffling free speech, it's protecting people. Would you put a white supremacist in charge of vaccinating children in Africa? Would you put a voodoo healer in charge of a hospital?

No, but if they're elected there is nothing we can do. You can be impeached for your views no matter how incredibly stupid.

[eqgumby]

Michelle on Sep 4 2008, 04:06 PM, said:

Didn't eggumby just cover that?

Bingo!
But, the haters never listen, because it's not what they want to hear.
Oddly enough Michelle, I get this from both sides, as I am generally a moderate when it comes to politics, and I tend to think both sides of the coin lie on a regular basis.

[Mr Honeybadger]

Sarah Palin is a very religious person. And she makes it well known.  

But for many people, that will be a major factor in weather or not they vote for her.

And as petty as it may seem, that is definitely a turn off for me.

[IrishAidan07]

ohio traveler on Sep 4 2008, 07:33 PM, said:

Sarah Palin is a very religious person. And she makes it well known.  

But for many people, that will be a major factor in weather or not they vote for her.

And as petty as it may seem, that is definitely a turn off for me.

I don't see a problem with any politician being religious so long as they don't try to force their religious beliefs on the rest of society.  A lot of people were turned off by Mike Huckabee because he is a minster. To be honest, being the liberal I am, he was the only Republican candidate I would have voted for.

Edited by IrishAidan, 04 September 2008 - 11:36 PM.

[BlindMessiah]

IrishAidan on Sep 5 2008, 12:36 AM, said:

I don't see a problem with any politician being religious so long as they don't try to force their religious beliefs on the rest of society.  A lot of people were turned off by Mike Huckabee because he is a minster. To be honest, being the liberal I am, he was the only Republican candidate I would have voted for.

She wants to outlaw gay marriage for religious reasons.
She wants to ban abortion for religious reasons.
She wants birth control education removed from schools for religious reasons.
Need I go on?

[Dr. D]

EmpressStarXVII on Sep 4 2008, 02:43 AM, said:

Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'



By GENE JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."

In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.

Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry, "What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys." As they preached the love of Jesus throughout Alaska, she said, she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office, including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.

"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."

Source and Full article here.

I can handle the uncomfortable opinion, though I disagree with it immensely, that the Iraq war is somehow inspired by God. But a $30 Billion dollar pipeline is stretching it.

This rings of the old "Manifest Destiny" that brought the genocide of the Indian and the theft of Mexican territories.

[MasterPo]

So I guess Obama isn't a religious person inspite of his 20 year attendence at his church?

[Sherapy]

Cradle of Fish on Sep 4 2008, 02:00 PM, said:

Any politician who tries to justify such a big thing with God's will should be removed from office immediately. Even if you accept the completely irrational idea that God talks to individual people, how can you tell the difference between God's will and voices in your head?

Best post on here...


I am  in california i have not heard one person  so far embrace pallin.....we are really liberal  here though....