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My Jehovah Witness Encounter


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#61    Wasabi

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Posted 17 March 2004 - 11:20 PM

Hey X~File,
Do JW use symbology at all in their rituals?   This is what strikes me as very odd about this story as I have known a few JW's and thought they considered this kind of symbology as pagan??



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Posted 17 March 2004 - 11:34 PM

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Posted 18 March 2004 - 01:18 AM

Dijoo do any research on what the symbols meant?  


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Posted 18 March 2004 - 01:56 AM

No.  JW's do not believe in Symbols.  In fact, if someone of their faith, no matter what country and culture where to do this, they would be in violation of their teachings.  Whoever was at your door, either didn't follow the rules or could of been a newbie.

They also do not believe in the Cross.  They believe he was crusified on a wooden "post".

I hope that answers your question.

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Posted 18 March 2004 - 04:34 AM

what exactly caused you to stop being a JW ? cat.gif  

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Posted 18 March 2004 - 03:00 PM

Well, the deeper I got into the religion, the more I realized there was something wrong. I guess I just woke up one day, and then I started to question the practices in my mind, of course I had to do this silently or I would of been kicked out.  It took me three years of observation, and research into the past of the witnesses for me to make my decision.  Once I made my news, it was devastating to my parents and to everyone else around.  They told me they would rather see me commit a serious sin, then to just get up and leave, because I no longer see them as having the truth, or how they practice their teachings.  

In any case, it's hard to wake up from their brainwashing.  Of course the story circualting around the Kingdom Hall(They don't call it church), is that the Internet corrupted my thinking  wacko.gif

Also, on my way out.  I had to sit down with 6 Elders(priests), bascially trying to convince them of why I was leaving.  While at the same time they were trying to convince me to stay.  They really make you feel like Sh*t if you try to leave, but if you're strong enough as a person and in your argument.  You can walk away feeling victorious.  thumbsup.gif  

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Posted 18 March 2004 - 07:25 PM

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Also, on my way out. I had to sit down with 6 Elders(priests), bascially trying to convince them of why I was leaving.


Heck.. that's crappy. In any other relligion I have to do that if I want to get in. Can't you just pack up and leave??


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Posted 18 March 2004 - 07:42 PM

Yes you can get up and leave, however they will keep talking to you and try to get you to comeback.  But I wanted nothing to do with them.  I took the step of leaving a bit further than most folks would.  By taking that extra step, they will no longer speak with you at any level.  Not even a simple "Hi" as you pass them down the street.  To them I am as good as dead.

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Posted 18 March 2004 - 07:45 PM

So.. what did you tell them?? (Or is it appropriate to be posted here? tongue.gif )


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Posted 18 March 2004 - 08:06 PM

Yeah... you'd think since they were so religious and concerned they would treat people better.

You'd think that they would treat all people better, but they seem to have a disdain for others. That's how I know that there is something wrong with them. whistling2.gif  wacko.gif  

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 12:05 AM

PsychicPenguin Posted on Mar 18 2004, 07:45 PM
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So.. what did you tell them?? (Or is it appropriate to be posted here?  )


No it's prefectly fine for me to tell you.  Obviously I told them I wanted to leave, when they asked one.  I gave many reasons, but here are just a few.

1.  I looked up the word Cult, and read it to them.  I said, that is what they were.  Not in a bad way, but their tactics are too strong, and I did not agree with them.

2.  I pointed out some of thier "Organizational" problems.  Their magazines are about as good as reading from the bible(*the magazine, like to twist texts around, and only "quote" what's relevant, and skip the rest of the story, hence taking things out of context*)  They have a person who is called a CO(Circuit Overseer), this person is in charge of going around to each congregation, to make sure things are running smooth.  Of course like the hypocritest they are, they put on a show for him, and during that one week that he visits, they litterally tell you to be happy even if you're not.  And that people SHOULD attend, to make the congregation look good.  Not only that, but this dude gets, a new car every year (usually a Buick Regal), since he doesn't work and travels a lot.  All of his expenses are paid the congragations he visits.  That's right you pay for his living out of your pocket.  Sorry, but I work for a living and I made time for God(when I believed he existed), so there is absolutely no reason why he couldn't work either.

3.  My primary reason.  The punishment you receive for your sins.  I don't how they twisted the Bible.  When my best friend committed a small sin by comparison to others.  He was disfellowshipped.  This means, I couldn't talk to him at all, my own best friend.  This went on for an entire year.  Because the only way you can be re-instated, is when the elders feel, you've been sorry enough.  And then of course what's happenning to my wife.  Who used to be a witness also.  None of her family talks to her because they are JW's.  They can call that tough love if they want to.  I find this to be one of their biggest mistakes in interpreting the bible.  If you believe in a god, that wants to punish you because you don't believe in the "true" religion, but you still have faith in him.  Then he might as well be Satan, because that's just evil.  No religion or God, should encourage your family to leave you, if you don't want to believe what your family believes.

Actually Babs, when you're new they treat you very well.   But instead of trying to help us to come back, they shun us away.  Of course I wouldn't take their offer.

Well, that was a mouthful, you can tell I have a lot of bitterness built inside for that religion.  My childhood was completely ruined.  I couldn't play sports, practice karate, participate in extracurricular activities.  Because 1.  I would be interacting with the wordly kids.  2.  They take away time from worshiping God.  po.gif

Anyways, hopefully my long posts don't drive anyone away from this topic.  If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.  I can tell you of why they believe in a certain way, without putting my biased opinion.  thumbsup.gif  

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 12:55 AM

Any religion or group that  tears you from family and/or society is bad. ph34r.gif  

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 12:57 AM

The JW's are giving and loving toward those that do what they want them to do. cool.gif  

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Posted 01 April 2004 - 09:47 PM

So are you saying it's okay to be a Catholic and give the churches money and worship statues, and all the other religions, but it's not okay for certain groups to do it. All religious groups do the same thing to one another, so you can't just discrimate against one group.


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Posted 01 April 2004 - 09:57 PM

I don't see anything wrong with giving money to any religion... the religious leader need money as well. However there is something unethical for them to use all the money for themself. How many Catholic priest can afford a new car every year? Anyway, I think they always do what they are supposed to do. After collecting all the money, they pray to God "LORD, please take all the money that you want", throw everything up, and collect anything that fall back to the earth.  laugh.gif  





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