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[Lt_Ripley]

Ambriel on Sep 4 2008, 07:04 PM, said:

I just don't fully understand how people can feel this way. I notice you made no mention on my argument he at least has experience. You need experience with ANYTHING. No one gets hired for any job with inadequate experience. I'm not saying Obama doesn't have the potential to be a good leader, and likewise, McCain isn't necessarily going to be the best president in history if he wins.

But I do not like Obama's take on the war or on military spending. He upset so many troops on his trip to Germany, in so many ways. He doesn't give the military the respect or care it deserves. Now don't get me wrong, I have not before or now been fully supportive of all aspects of this war. But what's done is done, and what's happening is happening, and my family is being affected by it. I want someone that I know cares about what grade of gear my brother has for defense, how well he will eat, how reliable his weapons are. Obama rarely acts like he gives a crap about any of those things, and quite frankly, that scares me.

And don't get me started on the abortion thing. That's above his pay grade? PLEASE.

He doesn't care for the troops ? who was it that sent them there without  body armor ? or that cut their care once they were home ? Seems McCain doesn't care about the MIA/POW's  and Vietnam . ask their families whom he's actually been an Azz too.

He upset troops on his trip to Germany ? Gee most on the base of my neices husband said most didn't care. The fact is troops and diplomats were not allowed to go see him speak !

as for him not seeing the troops ?

Although the Illinois senator visited troops in Afghanistan and Iraq on the first part of his overseas trip, those stops were part of an official Congressional delegation, and therefore deemed apolitical. The European tour, which included a speech in Berlin last night before an enthusiastic crowd of 200,000, is funded by the campaign and as such is not official government business.

"Senator Obama had hoped to and had every intention of visiting our troops to express his appreciation and gratitude for their service to our country," retired Air Force Major General Scott Gration, an Obama adviser, said in a statement.

"We learned from the Pentagon [Wednesday] night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event. Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perceived as a campaign event ... and decided instead not to go."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2...obama_in_g.html


as for military spending ? we're bloated. Maybe if there had been better administration billions wouldn't be missing in Iraq ( 8 billion alone in one swoop ) stop the 1500 dollar toilet seat thinking.

[__Kratos__]

Lt_Ripley on Sep 4 2008, 06:23 PM, said:

lmao. My blind hatred ? a good portion of my family is military . 2 of my girlfriends were .

so they only wanted McCain ? that's why they used all 3 ? it was America that treated McCain like a hero for passing off propaganda for 3 years while treating those 2 grunts WHO WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING were treated  like crap and threatened them with treason !!

anyone who keeps a POW is disgusting. (hint...... all those we've  kept for years  with no charges.)  The fact that he got special treatment while others didn't and claims to have had it hard in comparison is what is disgusting.

I think the one who needs to check their hatred is you ... where the truth is concerned.

With the volume of your anti-military posts, it's not hard to come to that conclusion.

Yes, I hate the truth because I'm not fond of you posting silly hate posts regarding a former POW of this country. How bloody foolish.

[Mr Honeybadger]

I'll back McCain's use of his military service in helping define his character,  just as I backed John Kerry's during the Swift Boat attacks.  

[Lt_Ripley]

__Kratos__ on Sep 4 2008, 07:36 PM, said:

With the volume of your anti-military posts, it's not hard to come to that conclusion.

Yes, I hate the truth because I'm not fond of you posting silly hate posts regarding a former POW of this country. How bloody foolish.

he was one POW out of many ! he got treated like a hero and the rest spit on !! those who were treated EXACTLY the same and worse who sold out to the commies like he did got called up on treason while McCain got treated like a hero !

how screwed up is that ?

[__Kratos__]

Lt_Ripley on Sep 4 2008, 06:39 PM, said:

he was one POW out of many ! he got treated like a hero and the rest spit on !! those who were treated EXACTLY the same and worse who sold out to the commies like he did got called up on treason while McCain got treated like a hero !

how screwed up is that ?

And that's not right either. But as you can see from my link that you've nicely ignored here, the majority of those guys like and respect him. You're basically telling me that they're wrong and you're right. But you're not trashing on POW's or facts of McCain's years of torture and service to this country.

This doesn't even have anything to do with the election but the fact you're attacking a man who went through pure hell that not a one of us can picture for his men and his country. It's low and shameful.

[LogicalPiccolo]

Lt_Ripley on Sep 4 2008, 04:39 PM, said:

he was one POW out of many ! he got treated like a hero and the rest spit on !! those who were treated EXACTLY the same and worse who sold out to the commies like he did got called up on treason while McCain got treated like a hero !

how screwed up is that ?

No one is saying it isn't screwed up, but screwed up or not, it wasn't McCain's fault.

[Incorrigible1]

Ripley, are you a member of the Swift Boaters?

[acidhead]

5 minutes into Mccain's acceptance speech last night.

  



MCCAIN HECKLER DETAINED, HANDCUFFED, AND RELEASED OUTSIDE EXCEL CENTER. | Main
INTERVIEW WITH MCCAIN HECKLER ADAM KOKESH.

Kokesh, a passionate Ron Paul supporter, is 26 and a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War. He served in Fallujah in 2004, grew up in Santa Fe, and currently lives in Washington, D.C. He has a website.

At the beginning of McCain's speech, Kokesh held up a sign reading, "McCain Votes Against Vets" and yelled, "Ask him why he votes against vets!" I followed as Kokesh was escorted out of the Excel Center by security, handcuffed by local police, and then briefly questioned while security debated whether or not the Secret Service would get involved. They did not. He was then escorted off the premises and allowed to go free. I interviewed him just outside the security gates, where he was greeted happily by antiwar protesters.

Why were you here in the Twin Cities? And how did you get into the Excel Center?

I was here in Minneapolis for the IVAW convention and thought I’d stick around for this.

Well I’ve been a Ron Paul supporter since the beginning of this campaign. Since before this campaign started, actually, I’ve been a fan of Paul. So I’ve got a lot of friends in the Ron Paul crowd. And he’s got a lot of delegates in there. More than the Republican Party is willing to admit. And the fact that I got into there is proof of that. One of Paul’s alternate delegates got me a guest pass.

Were you surprised to be handcuffed? Or are you just relieved you were not arrested or detained longer?

I was actually expecting to get manhandled much sooner. [During the heckling], someone was grabbing my belt and pulling on me. And then someone pulled the sign out of my hands.

Do you feel your protest was effective?

Well I wasn’t so much trying to interrupt the speech as make the point that McCain has a horrible voting record on veterans. What the Republican Party is doing with their take on the war in Iraq is spinning it in such a way that it’s about victory or defeat. But they can’t face up to the fact that you can’t win an occupation. In an occupation, everybody loses. What we’re calling for is an immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces in Iraq.

Who will you vote for in November?

Bob Barr.

--Dana Goldstein

Posted by Dana Goldstein on September 4, 2008 10:50 PM | http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_..._mccain_heckler

Edited by acidhead43, 05 September 2008 - 08:05 AM.

[Shush_rules]

I don't understand why everyone is having such a hard time understanding Ripleys posts

[AROCES]

Shush_rules on Sep 5 2008, 08:10 AM, said:

I don't understand why everyone is having such a hard time understanding Ripleys posts

Are you new on the forum? You don't seem to know much about Rip and his hobby.

[Guardsman Bass]

__Kratos__ on Sep 4 2008, 05:36 PM, said:

With the volume of your anti-military posts, it's not hard to come to that conclusion.

Yes, I hate the truth because I'm not fond of you posting silly hate posts regarding a former POW of this country. How bloody foolish.

You would have come to it even faster had you actually bothered to read the earlier post he had made in this thread.  

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This doesn't even have anything to do with the election but the fact you're attacking a man who went through pure hell that not a one of us can picture for his men and his country. It's low and shameful.

Why? Assuming the OP is true, then the person being cited is merely stating the obvious - that being a Prisoner of War does not give you some divine sanction to be a Good Leader. I'm sure it changed his character, although I'm not entirely sure for the better, at least right off the bat - he came back and immediately cheated on his wife with Cindi Hensley (now Cindi McCain), then moved on to Arizona to pick up a safe Republican seat first in the House, then in the Senate, before getting nailed in the Keating Five scandal. I'd argue that the Keating Five scandal had more to do with his current character than his POW experience 40 years ago, at least with regards to his political behavior.

This is an anecdote from a professor I had last year (he's a pollster named Dan Jones of Dan Jones and Associates), who met McCain a long while back after the Keating Five scandal. He said that McCain told him that seeing his named dragged through the mud during the trial had hurt worse than when he was in Hanoi.

Edited by Guardsman Bass, 05 September 2008 - 08:23 AM.

[Caesar]

Lt_Ripley on Sep 4 2008, 05:53 PM, said:

John McCain has been exploiting his prisoner of war experience every chance he gets. He has used this story to justify everything from not knowing how many homes he has to his healthcare plan to his marital infidelities to his taste in music. The McCain campaign is even using his POW story in paid ads. But now a veteran who was a prisoner with McCain in Vietnam is explaining loud and clear that being a POW does not qualify McCain to lead our country.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjsEs46C70

I served in the Marines and I think he is a hero but being a hero doesn't mean you will be a great president. I don't feel he is exploiting the fact that he was a pow but in my opinion it shows leadership in what he did.

[acidhead]

Caesar on Sep 5 2008, 01:19 AM, said:

I served in the Marines and I think he is a hero but being a hero doesn't mean you will be a great president. I don't feel he is exploiting the fact that he was a pow but in my opinion it shows leadership in what he did.

how does it show leadership in what he did?

[bathory]

acidhead43 on Sep 5 2008, 08:54 AM, said:

Kokesh, a passionate Ron Paul supporter, is 26 and a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War. He served in Fallujah in 2004, grew up in Santa Fe, and currently lives in Washington, D.C. He has a website.

Kokesh is a complete and utter tool who had mis military career all but ended when he was busted for smuggling a handgun home with him

This guy is living in 2006, Iraq is quite different these days, dare I say, the insurgency appears to have been defeated

I think the point about McCain's POW experience is that its supposed to show his strength of character, I don't see how anyone can say thats not the case

Edited by bathory, 05 September 2008 - 09:33 AM.

[Teej]

AROCES on Sep 5 2008, 03:16 AM, said:

Are you new on the forum? You don't seem to know much about Rip and his hobby.

Ahhh, the irony.