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#31    acidhead

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 03:24 PM

bathory on Sep 5 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

This guy is living in 2006, Iraq is quite different these days, dare I say, the insurgency appears to have been defeated


Amazing! ..when was the last time you were in Iraq Bathory?




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Posted 06 September 2008 - 02:27 AM

Caesar on Sep 5 2008, 03:19 AM, said:

I served in the Marines and I think he is a hero but being a hero doesn't mean you will be a great president. I don't feel he is exploiting the fact that he was a pow but in my opinion it shows leadership in what he did.


I see the repubs claiming that he was a hero BECAUSE he was a POW only. How does that work exactly? Maybe I'm just being obtuse but as a serious question and you being a Marine, could you answer? Does being a POW make you a hero automatically. When I think of heros, I don't think of POWs.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 02:31 AM

ninjadude on Sep 5 2008, 10:27 PM, said:

I see the repubs claiming that he was a hero BECAUSE he was a POW only. How does that work exactly? Maybe I'm just being obtuse but as a serious question and you being a Marine, could you answer? Does being a POW make you a hero automatically. When I think of heros, I don't think of POWs.

Obama said McCain was a hero also, what don't you get?


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Posted 06 September 2008 - 02:47 AM

Caesar on Sep 5 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

Obama said McCain was a hero also, what don't you get?


Immaterial. Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to be snarky. Is a hero a hero just because someone says they are? I guess I'm wondering what someone of your experience consider a hero. To me, a hero is someone who does something over and above what is expected of him, for others. Facing death, for me, does not automatically make a hero. McCain, got shot down and captured.  I "guess" many people consider all service members, firefighters, police, etc as heros. But to me that is streaching it a bit. We have a volunteer military. Some Emergency people face death daily. These are jobs. Very important jobs. Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for those doing those jobs. But "heros" are those that go over and above their job to help others - for me at least. You know what I'm saying. To me the label "hero" is something rather special for a select few. I'm just wondering where you (and others) stand in this discussion.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 02:49 AM

ninjadude on Sep 5 2008, 09:27 PM, said:

I see the repubs claiming that he was a hero BECAUSE he was a POW only. How does that work exactly? Maybe I'm just being obtuse but as a serious question and you being a Marine, could you answer? Does being a POW make you a hero automatically. When I think of heros, I don't think of POWs.



Perhaps because he could have gone home early.  But instead choose to allow the person whose turn it was to go home to go home.  That is called sacrifice.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 03:08 AM

danielost on Sep 5 2008, 09:49 PM, said:

Perhaps because he could have gone home early.  But instead choose to allow the person whose turn it was to go home to go home.  That is called sacrifice.


But see, as an officer, he would be expected to do so. Not over and above what would be expected. I'll grant you that many people think that.



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Posted 06 September 2008 - 03:38 AM

ninjadude on Sep 5 2008, 11:08 PM, said:

But see, as an officer, he would be expected to do so. Not over and above what would be expected. I'll grant you that many people think that.

Most of the pow's that were with McCain were fighter pilots and I think only officers could be pilots. so you think with all the injuries he had on top of the turture ect, he still wouldn't speak out against his country why is that not heroic? as being in the marines, I do put firefighters, police, etc in the same field but its rare for someone to go threw pain, torture and solitary confinement for years, not to mention the medical treatment he had.  



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Posted 06 September 2008 - 09:29 AM

acidhead43 on Sep 5 2008, 03:24 PM, said:

Amazing! ..when was the last time you were in Iraq Bathory?



I haven't been there, of course, that doesn't change the fact the situation over in Iraq is completely different to that of 2003, 04, 05, 06, or 07...

I mean, the relevance Kokesh brings to the debate regarding the current ground situation is comparable to that of a ww2 veteran telling us how things are in Germany based on his experiences in 1944


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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:04 AM

bathory on Sep 6 2008, 02:29 AM, said:

I haven't been there, of course, that doesn't change the fact the situation over in Iraq is completely different to that of 2003, 04, 05, 06, or 07...

I mean, the relevance Kokesh brings to the debate regarding the current ground situation is comparable to that of a ww2 veteran telling us how things are in Germany based on his experiences in 1944



Thanks for your opinion..

Adam Kokesh is stating his opinion.. based on his experience in Iraq from two tours between '04-'06 and that of other friends who are troops there currently..

Kokesh's sign doesn't mention the word war.. notice that?  It says 'YOU CAN'T WIN AN OCCUPATION" .. (caps for accuracy)

The President(BUSH), the MSM, pundits, and especially the '08 election candidates are propagandizing the words "win" and "victory"

to suit its real target.. you, me, our families, and friends.

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