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#31    Caesar

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 05:12 AM

Dowdy on Sep 6 2008, 01:00 AM, said:

Maybe instead of wasting billions in wars that are fought to protect pipelines, they could use that money to invest in solar technology. Then you won't have to fight any more pointless wars, unless someone tries to do a Mr. Burns (block out the sun)

Maybe if we had our own oil we wouldn't bother much in the middle east, with a growing economy more companies would have more capital to invest in new energy


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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:31 PM

danielost on Sep 5 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

One of our problems is refineries we don't have enough.


Precisely. Give that boy a cigar. But then that nothing to do with drill drill drill. It has to do with oil companies wanting to keep prices high. Something Aroces will surely point out is a good thing and the American way.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:35 PM

Caesar on Sep 5 2008, 10:44 PM, said:

They do not let states decide if they can drill for oil or not, I'm saying the government should let the state decide, no kidding states have no control over government land. most of the oil spots have been decleared wild life refuge or something like that from the Clintons. that should be givin back to the states as well.


Sooo we should just rip up and drill and destroy as much of the environment as possible in our mad search for oil and profit?  Is that your position? Who needs wildlife and trees when you can't drive to work. Is that it? States?! States elect crazy people like Palin who wants this exact scene for Alaska.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:39 PM

Caesar on Sep 5 2008, 10:51 PM, said:

Very true along with nuclear power plants. if we had 90% of our energy comming from nuclear power like France, and if we allowed states to regulate oil drilling we more then likely would be exporting oil. cheaper oil prices, a stable dollar, job growth and a better trade balance. insted we have left wing liberals calling the shots, people like Al Gore and his house that uses twice as much power as the White House, on his private jet flying all over America telling us the world is going to end in 2012 or what ever because of man made global warming.


You really need to find some new sources of information. Al Gore does not own a jet. He has not said the world would end in 2012. The republicans have been calling the shots for the last 6-8 years, what did that get you? All the problems you are complaining about.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:42 PM

Caesar on Sep 6 2008, 12:12 AM, said:

Maybe if we had our own oil we wouldn't bother much in the middle east, with a growing economy more companies would have more capital to invest in new energy


They won't invest until they have an incentive to do so. As long as oil is cheap, they will do nothing. This has happened before in the 70s.  As crazy as Aroces is, he does have a point, that higher oil prices will force this investment.  Or the government can give it a kick in the pants. Which I support and Aroces does not.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:45 PM

ninjadude on Sep 6 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

Precisely. Give that boy a cigar. But then that nothing to do with drill drill drill. It has to do with oil companies wanting to keep prices high. Something Aroces will surely point out is a good thing and the American way.

Democrats have consistently blocked the building of refineries and drilling for oil for the past 35 years. If one or two hurricanes hit in the Gulf region, where most of our refineries are located, America would be without any gasoline within 25 days.


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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:50 PM

ninjadude on Sep 6 2008, 06:42 PM, said:

They won't invest until they have an incentive to do so. As long as oil is cheap, they will do nothing. This has happened before in the 70s.  As crazy as Aroces is, he does have a point, that higher oil prices will force this investment.  Or the government can give it a kick in the pants. Which I support and Aroces does not.

The incentive is simple, more money! if you have oil companies drilling off the cost, like many states do, it would give us more jobs, more oil, a much more stable dollar making other commodities cheaper. and making us less dependant on foreign oil.


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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:51 PM

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Democrats have consistently blocked the building of refineries and drilling for oil for the past 35 years.


Really? What legislation did they block over that 35 year period to prevent refineries from being built? How many permits from oil companies to build new refineries were denied by the EPA in that period and why?


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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:54 PM

Caesar on Sep 6 2008, 05:45 PM, said:

Democrats have consistently blocked the building of refineries and drilling for oil for the past 35 years. If one or two hurricanes hit in the Gulf region, where most of our refineries are located, America would be without any gasoline within 25 days.


Refineries are built by companies. They have to apply to the government for permits. The public has to agree as well. Do you want one next to your home? I don't. It's bad enough that a small one is some miles from here. They pollute. They're huge. They're hazardous. They can only be build in certain places that can receive the oil. If you can find somewhere acceptable to everyone, I'm sure the oil companies would love to hear from you. No, the real solution is to conserve and find alternatives.

Drilling is allowed in the millions of acres land already available. That's not blocking drilling. You yourself said there were 4700 new holes dug in the past year. Blocking drilling in national wildlife refuges? you bet. And will continue to do so for the next million years. get over it.



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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:04 PM

I believe we should drill now. And when the alternatives come available then we can use them.

At least that's what I believe. Plus people wants us to be less depent on foreign oil anyhow.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:11 PM

Startraveler on Sep 6 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

Really? What legislation did they block over that 35 year period to prevent refineries from being built? How many permits from oil companies to build new refineries were denied by the EPA in that period and why?

  On September 27, 2005, Rep. John Peterson (R-PA) introduced a bill (H.R. 3918) to terminate any prohibition on the expenditure of federal funds to conduct natural gas leasing and preleasing activities anywhere on the OCS and to terminate all withdrawals of federal OCS land from leasing for exploration for, and development and production of, natural gas.  Rep. Peterson introduced a similar bill (H.R. 4318) on November 15, 2005.  



  On October 6, 2005, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) introduced a bill (H.R. 4004) to terminate any prohibition on the expenditure of federal funds to conduct oil and natural gas leasing and preleasing activities anywhere on the OCS and to terminate all withdrawals of federal OCS land from leasing activities.  Rep. Paul reintroduced the bill (H.R. 2415) in the 110th Congress.



  On November 7, 2005, Rep. Jim Nussle (R-IA) introduced a bill (H.R. 4241) that contained a provision terminating the effect of all existing federal laws prohibiting the spending of appropriated funds to conduct oil and natural gas leasing and preleasing activities for OCS areas.  The provision was omitted from the version of the bill that passed the House.



  On May 18, 2006, Rep. Ted Poe (R-TX) offered an amendment (H.Amdt. 842) to strike sections of the Interior Appropriations bill that prohibit the expenditure of funds for OCS oil leasing activities in certain areas.  A majority of Republicans voted for the amendment, while Democrats overwhelmingly voted against it.



  On June 29, 2006, the House passed a bill (H.R. 4761) by Rep. Bobby Jindal (R-LA) to greatly increase energy development on the OCS, including a prohibition on more than 25% of the acreage of any OCS Planning Area being withdrawn from leasing more than 100 miles from any coastline.  86% of Republicans voted for the bill, while 79% of Democrats voted against it.
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Its very clear that the Democrats could care less about jobs, the economy, and the price of oil because of its special intrest with global warming kooks over the American people. yet people like Al Gore live in a house that uses something like 3 times the energy a normal American household does. while he flys in his privet jet warning us about man made global warming  



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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:12 PM

MoonPrincess on Sep 6 2008, 06:04 PM, said:

I believe we should drill now. And when the alternatives come available then we can use them.

At least that's what I believe. Plus people wants us to be less depent on foreign oil anyhow.


PLEASE tell the oil companies to drill more than the 4700 wells that they drilled last year. "We" don't drill. Oil companies drill.



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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:18 PM

Caesar on Sep 6 2008, 06:11 PM, said:

Its very clear that the Democrats could care less about jobs, the economy, and the price of oil because of its special intrest with global warming kooks over the American people. yet people like Al Gore live in a house that uses something like 3 times the energy a normal American household does. while he flys in his privet jet warning us about man made global warming


I don't see a single one of those say anything about stopping building new refineries.

On the contrary it's very clear that the Republicans don't care about jobs or the economy. It was hardly mentioned during the convention. Nor do they have any plan for it beyond more of the same Bush nothingness. Working to reduce Climate change will create jobs. Al Gore lives in a mansion that is three times bigger than the normal American house so it should use more energy! Duh. And Al Gore is not running for president. That was 8 years ago. He does NOT own a private jet. Where do you get this stuff?

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:19 PM

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Its very clear that the Democrats could care less about jobs, the economy, and the price of oil


In other words, your "35 years" claim is limited to the current debate over OCS leasing. Which will have little impact on any of the items in your list and is thus little more than a gimmick. The Department of Energy:

The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.  




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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:24 PM

ninjadude on Sep 6 2008, 06:54 PM, said:

Refineries are built by companies. They have to apply to the government for permits. The public has to agree as well. Do you want one next to your home? I don't. It's bad enough that a small one is some miles from here. They pollute. They're huge. They're hazardous. They can only be build in certain places that can receive the oil. If you can find somewhere acceptable to everyone, I'm sure the oil companies would love to hear from you. No, the real solution is to conserve and find alternatives.

Well it should be up to your state, my state wants to and I think we should, along with Alaska, California, Texas and South Carolina.

ninjadude on Sep 6 2008, 06:54 PM, said:

Drilling is allowed in the millions of acres land already available. That's not blocking drilling. You yourself said there were 4700 new holes dug in the past year. Blocking drilling in national wildlife refuges? you bet. And will continue to do so for the next million years. get over it.

I already discussed this, there are 4700 holes only because if they didn't make so many holes a month, they would loose the lease, they still have tons of rules and regulations that apply. now could you please stop trying to mislead people with this "Drilling is allowed in the millions of acres land already available." this isn't CNN


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