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Collective Mass Siezure of The American Left


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#31    MasterPo

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 05:14 PM

Startraveler on Sep 7 2008, 01:09 PM, said:

You mean I should stop ordering "Berger '16" buttons?!


I don't get the reference.  huh.gif

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 05:15 PM

[You're the one claiming a former, arguably failed, National Security Advisor is fit to be president. The burden is on you.]

Get it?

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 05:23 PM

Startraveler on Sep 7 2008, 01:15 PM, said:

[You're the one claiming a former, arguably failed, National Security Advisor is fit to be president. The burden is on you.]

Get it?


If you mean Berger for President in 2016, why wait so long? rofl.gif

I didn't say she is fit to be President. But she surely is fit to be heard as a reasonable candidate for the running. IOW, she surely is qualified to apply for the job.

Who knows. She may have some stance I don't like. I used to think Gen. Powell would be a great candidate then I heard some of his POV and I changed my mind. But at least he earned the right to be heard.



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Posted 07 September 2008 - 05:27 PM

libertyworld on Sep 7 2008, 12:21 AM, said:

Huh?
If you are saying BHO has been given the same treatment as Palin...
That would make you seem nuts.
I must not be understanding you.
Nobody in their right mind could think that.


Obiously not by the media.

But buy the hardcore, yes.

Oh and altho alot of new stations covered her daughters pregnancy MANY of them (including our candian one) showed it in a positive light, and something that could help her.

Your "venom" from the left is in the same ballpark as all the stuff thrown the other way.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 05:48 PM

MasterPo on Sep 7 2008, 06:03 PM, said:

I didn't think a mod would want to chew up even more forum bandwidth with a topic that has been beaten to a pulp already else where on the site.

No. You're right. We don't have to go down this road. Especially as it's entirely obvious that you have no feasible excuse as to why, when summoned to an urgent immediate meeting by the Director of the CIA, with the following three pieces of information

1. The names and locations of active Al Qaeda operatives within mainland America.
2, The information that these operatives were learning to fly planes.
3. The information that Al Qaeda were planning an attack on American soil using Planes as weapons.

Ms Rice decided that it wasn't really all that important, in terms of National Security.

Other National Security Advisor's might have decided to, y'know, arrest them. Or something.

How difficult, exactly, is it to join those particular dots?

From the Washington Post Article - Black later said, "The only thing we didn't do was pull the trigger to the gun we were holding to her head."


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Posted 07 September 2008 - 06:43 PM

Guardsman Bass on Sep 7 2008, 07:58 AM, said:

If she loses, then all she is is a washed-up Vice Presidential nominee running for President. You want to ask Al Gore, Lloyd Bentsen, Jack Kemp, and John Edwards how well that went for them?
"Restraint?" Perhaps in releasing it, but once it was out, they stampeded to broadcast it everywhere and anywhere.
Besides, Palin deserves a good vetting. She has a very spotty record during her time in public office, and that's not forgetting the fact that she's under an active investigation for abuse of power.
We'll see. Should she find herself getting indicted on October 31st, do you think Americans will find this suddenly just so worth of being sympathetic too?
Now, I'm not going to say that this won't happen. If there's one thing that Americans have convinced me of, it's that there is literally no bottom to the stupidity of the so-called "Undecided" voters.
Care to actually point out any pieces of that venom from a major media outlet? They were falling over themselves to praise it as a game-changing event, even though the speech was terrible; it had numerous outright lies plus precious little good content, combined with an off-key delivery that was very jarring compared to Obama's speech.
We'll see. I think you're getting all worked up over very little; honestly, who cares what the Republican Convention-goers thought? They're all devotees, anyways.

That's a load of horse****, and you know it. The main issues of the Left are
1)Conflict - generally pro-cooperation. Not Social.
2)Health Care- Economic, not social
3)Equal Rights - Legal, not social
4)Welfare - Economic, not social

Not really. This idiot somehow thinks we're targeting Palin because she doesn't fit the "feminist narrative" (whatever the hell that type of thing is), as opposed to the fact that she's a lying, power-abusing, reactionary politician.

Didn't Palin order that investigation?
Terrible? Off-key delivery that was very jarring...?
Your opinion is welcome but hardly universally held, thats for sure.
You too seem to have had quite a seething aversion to her.

Numerous outright lies? Like what?
I'm getting all worked up?
No.
I'de say your tone is far more "worked up" than mine here.
You're the one cursing, (not me) and calling her a lying, power-abusing reactionary politician.
Can we see some substantiation to that opinion please? It would strengthen your case.
You are also welcome to your opinion of what the left is about but that doesn't make it correct.
I actually laughed reading it.
...Especially in regards to conflict and cooperation.
Things must appear different from your world...
That tends to be the case with those defending the left, I've found.

I thought it was a worthwhile analysis but would have gone further.
My opinion sees the left as highly sociopathic (suicidally so even), delusional, in denial of the lessons of history and in perpetual rebellion against everyday adult reality in addition to being defined mostly today by adversarial feminism as the writer stated.
I see it compulsively tearing down without, what cannot be reconciled within the disordered world of the deviant.
It's what sociopaths do, after all.
Conservatism very much represents conserving traditional values and the left hates that.
Family and conventional religion must be destroyed because they pass on values, and the left hates that.
It hates quite a lot, actually.
As we see.
Though I'm sure you will disagree.
Thanks for chiming in GB.



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Posted 07 September 2008 - 07:00 PM

I don't like Republicans. In fact, as a group, I hate them with a passion that burns deeply within in me. But I like Sarah Plain.

Now, when I say I hate Republicans, that's a political statement - obviously. I don't mean I hate every Republican I meet simply because they are Republican. I have many Republican friends, actually. But as a political party, I despise them - hate them, what have you. But I really don't think Sarah Plain is all that bad. She is intelligent, hilarious, seemingly sincere, and is quite the looker (not that that matters  happy.gif).

She's a good woman, I think.

Clearly I'm for Obama, but I've no doubt that things will improve regardless of who is elected. Anyone but Bush/Cheney.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 01:48 AM

libertyworld on Sep 7 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

rooooar


Somewhere in there you mentioned that the "left hates values".... couldn't it be that their values are just different from yours?


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Posted 08 September 2008 - 01:33 PM

InHuman on Sep 7 2008, 06:48 PM, said:

Somewhere in there you mentioned that the "left hates values".... couldn't it be that their values are just different from yours?

Would not be so bad if that were the case, I guess.
But it's not the case.
The left tends to tear down the family, religion (except their religion), the Boy Scouts, conservatism...
Anything that passes on traditional values, apparently.
Because it cannot co-exist with those values, cannot just live and let live.
They and the institutions that stand in the way become enemies to hate and destroy.


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Posted 08 September 2008 - 03:22 PM

libertyworld on Sep 8 2008, 01:33 PM, said:

Would not be so bad if that were the case, I guess.
But it's not the case.
The left tends to tear down the family, religion (except their religion), the Boy Scouts, conservatism...
Anything that passes on traditional values, apparently.
Because it cannot co-exist with those values, cannot just live and let live.
They and the institutions that stand in the way become enemies to hate and destroy.

The left just makes their own meaning of values, just like when they have to make their own meaning of oral sex.
I mean you can call abortion and open sex simply different values if you want to, right?


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Posted 08 September 2008 - 03:52 PM

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The left tends to tear down the family, religion (except their religion), the Boy Scouts, conservatism...
Anything that passes on traditional values, apparently.
Because it cannot co-exist with those values, cannot just live and let live.


Now that's just paranoid silliness.

I'm a pretty left leaning individual, but I'm married and have a child, so I obviously don't want to tear down the family. But I also don't think that one should be condemned if they have a child and don't get married.
I despise religion, but I don't think that one should be barred from practising whatever religion they want. It just doesn't belone in government. So obviously I don't want to tear down religion.
I was a boy scout, and even though I don't like that they don't let homosexuals in, I think that they do good things. So I don't want to tear down the boy scouts
As for conservatism, I would like to see some actuall "CONSERVING" out of the conservatives. However, I think that one should be allowed to live their life the way one wants, so long as I'm extended the same courtesy.

If anything, I think that liberals are more likely to "live and let live" than conservatives. It seems that while liberals allow individuals to make choices about their own lives:
I like pornography, but I don't think you should have to buy it if you don't want
I think gay should be allowed to get married, but you shouldn't have to be gay if you don't want to
I think that you should have whatever religion you want, but you should not base policy on it or descriminate against those with a different, or no, religion.


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Posted 08 September 2008 - 04:59 PM

libertyworld on Sep 7 2008, 12:43 PM, said:

Didn't Palin order that investigation?


No, that was ordered by the (Republican-dominated) legislature of Alaska.

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Terrible? Off-key delivery that was very jarring...?
Your opinion is welcome but hardly universally held, thats for sure.
You too seem to have had quite a seething aversion to her.


I actually paid attention to her speech - unlike most of the media, which seems to have herd-stamped into a single line based off of the audience's reaction. And since it's a highly Republican audience at the RNC . . . well, you get the idea. Particularly after the godawfulness that was Rudy Giuliani's speech.

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Numerous outright lies? Like what?
I'm getting all worked up?
No.


Like the claim that she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere. Or the claim that she sold the jet on Ebay for a profit. Or the claim that she's a corruption fighting maverick, even though throughout most of her public career her main specialty was bringing federal earmarks home to her town. Little Miss Earmark is hardly a maverick.

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I'de say your tone is far more "worked up" than mine here.
You're the one cursing, (not me) and calling her a lying, power-abusing reactionary politician.
Can we see some substantiation to that opinion please? It would strengthen your case.
You are also welcome to your opinion of what the left is about but that doesn't make it correct.
I actually laughed reading it.
...Especially in regards to conflict and cooperation.
Things must appear different from your world...
That tends to be the case with those defending the left, I've found.


Some of us actually live in the reality-based community.

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I thought it was a worthwhile analysis but would have gone further.
My opinion sees the left as highly sociopathic (suicidally so even), delusional, in denial of the lessons of history and in perpetual rebellion against everyday adult reality in addition to being defined mostly today by adversarial feminism as the writer stated.


So says the political party who's main stance on human sexuality and civil rights is denial.


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Family and conventional religion must be destroyed because they pass on values, and the left hates that.
It hates quite a lot, actually.
As we see.
Though I'm sure you will disagree.
Thanks for chiming in GB.


That's cute, coming from you. Of course, seeing as how we Leftists actually try to create an environment friendly to families, such as greater access to marriage, greater assistance to working-class people who have to work two jobs to stay solvent, I'd say we do more than the Republicans, who simply give plenty of lip-service but then leave families out in the cold.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 07:09 PM

Guardsman Bass on Sep 8 2008, 09:59 AM, said:

No, that was ordered by the (Republican-dominated) legislature of Alaska.

I actually paid attention to her speech - unlike most of the media, which seems to have herd-stamped into a single line based off of the audience's reaction. And since it's a highly Republican audience at the RNC . . . well, you get the idea. Particularly after the godawfulness that was Rudy Giuliani's speech.

Like the claim that she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere. Or the claim that she sold the jet on Ebay for a profit. Or the claim that she's a corruption fighting maverick, even though throughout most of her public career her main specialty was bringing federal earmarks home to her town. Little Miss Earmark is hardly a maverick.

Some of us actually live in the reality-based community.

So says the political party who's main stance on human sexuality and civil rights is denial.

That's cute, coming from you. Of course, seeing as how we Leftists actually try to create an environment friendly to families, such as greater access to marriage, greater assistance to working-class people who have to work two jobs to stay solvent, I'd say we do more than the Republicans, who simply give plenty of lip-service but then leave families out in the cold.

1)
From MSNBC:
"Last month, the state Legislature appointed an independent investigator to review whether the governor or her aides abused their power by pressuring Monegan to fire the trooper, a probe that the Democratic chairman of the state Senate Judiciary Committee said could lead to Palin’s impeachment. The outside investigator, a retired assistant district attorney in Anchorage, was directed to file his report by Oct. 31, four days before the presidential election.

Palin strongly denied the accusations and ordered her own investigation by the state Law Department.

In a July 31 interview with CNBC, Palin defended the dismissal of Monegan, saying, “It is a governor’s prerogative, a right, to fill that Cabinet with members whom she or he believes will do best for the people whom we are serving.”

Palin promised her full cooperation, saying she would answer any questions from lawmakers, media and the public."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26458400/

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A few tens of millions paid attention to her speech. More than whats his name's, actually?
The media is not just reporting on the convention attendees opinion of the speech.
That is nonsense.

3)
She killed the bridge. Said they'de build it with their own money if Alaskans wanted it.
She said she put the plane on ebay and she did. Just wasn't how it was eventually sold.
She is a corruption fighting maverick, even / especially within her own party and has the most popular approval ratings in the country in part because of it.

4)
"Some of us actually live in the reality-based community."
Yeah, right.
I'de say reality is not exactly your strong suit.

5)
"So says the political party who's main stance on human sexuality and civil rights is denial."
Again, you saying it does not make it so.
The facts of history do not support your opinion.

6)
"Of course, seeing as how we Leftists actually try to create an environment friendly to families..."
Ha!
Now you've lost it completely.
I mean that's just nuts.
You go right on believing it though.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 07:37 PM

People do not need more government assistance and more sorry *** hand outs while they keep sending away and giving all of the damn jobs that exist to anyone and everyone that is not a US citizen.

More government assistance at this time is like very pointedly telling the people that as the new dirt poor peasant class, we feel your pain that you will never own a car, but look how wonderful We are!

"We have a National Foot Path Plan for you! We will use some of that tax money we take from you that is really all meant for fat government projects that produce nothing and for the inflated fat government salaries that we and our family members we put on the dole get, and we will mow down weeds and grass and make nice soft dirt foot paths for everyone to use. Someday, fifty years from now after we have drained every possible excuse dry to delay by talking about in committees, we will even pave these foot paths with real concrete. Don't listen to the nay-sayers, this has been done in other nations successfully. We are looking to the future and are not stuck in the past."

IF ITS NOT ABOUT HIGHER WAGES AND BETTER JOBS AND THEY NEVER MENTION HOW THIS TOOK DECADES TO GET THIS BAD AND WHY -- CHEAP FOREIGN LABOR -- THEN IT IS ALL bull


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Posted 08 September 2008 - 07:44 PM

Might I add that the money we have sent to china for their cheap garbage has driven their development, and in turn their fuel needs, which is now partly why we are paying so much for gas. The country we built up with our dollars now is using the fuel we used to consume and they also hold most of our debt.

Does nobody else find this ironic and alarming?





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