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#1    Nxt2Hvn

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 02:05 PM

"Sarah Palin believes God told her to go to war with Iraq!"

There has been some hard-core journalistic malpractice on this one. The Associated Press ran this headline about a speech she gave at her church: "Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'"

In the story, they omit the first part of the sentence they're quoting along with the entire previous sentence for good measure.

Here are her actual words: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Palin is clearly praying that we're doing the right thing in Iraq, something sensible for an introspective woman of faith concerned about the lives of our troops to do. She's not saying that she just received a text message from heaven's BlackBerry ordering her to launch missiles. Sorry to disappoint you.

And for those of you who think politicians asking God for guidance is offensive, might I remind you of this famous politician's prayer:

"Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will." --Barack Obama

"She has no experience!"

It's fair to assume that Barack Obama believed he was qualified to be in the White House when he announced he was running for president. At that point, he had been a U.S. Senator for 767 days. When Sarah Palin was announced as a vice presidential candidate, she had been the governor of Alaska for 634 days.

While I'm sure those extra 133 days were filled with personal discovery, I can't imagine anyone seriously trying to make the case that Obama is experienced and Palin isn't.

Unless, of course, you're Matt Damon, who said a Palin presidency would be a really "scary thing" because she has been "governor of Alaska for...for less than two years!" (Damon originally expressed his presidential preference for Obama in December 2006, when he had been a senator for less than two years.)

More importantly, Palin's career has been filled with executive experience. She's the only one of the four in this race who has run a business, town, and/or state (a state that gives her crucial energy experience in the middle of an energy crisis).

When Obama's campaign complains that Palin would be one heartbeat away from the presidency, they should consider that their candidate would be zero heartbeats away.

"But Obama is running a huge campaign -- Palin was just a small town mayor!"

Believe it or not, this one was actually trotted out by Obama himself.

"My understanding is, is that Gov. Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We've got 2,500 in this campaign. I think the budget is maybe $12 million a year. We have a budget of about three times that just for the month."

Apparently, Barack missed that she's become the governor of Alaska in the interim. Why would he compare his current duties with her former duties?

Well, since he announced his candidacy, Barack Obama has raised about $22 million a month. That's a large organization for sure, unless you are directly comparing it to Sarah Palin, who is handling state revenues that are about 61 times as large, or more than $1.3 billion per month.

"Palin only supports abstinence to be taught in sex-ed!"

This claim is usually followed by a super classy comment about her daughter and the use of contraception, but the premise is false. Palin hasn't said she doesn't want condoms discussed in sex-ed, calling their discussion "relatively benign."

"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that," Palin said. Hers is hardly an extreme point of view in America today.

"If she cares about children with special needs, then why did she cut spending on them by 62 percent?"

Actually, Palin almost tripled their funding in only three years from $26,900 per student to $73,840 per student.

Incidentally, the amount of government money you spend on a specific group doesn't equal the amount you care for that group, but that's another story for another column.

All of these represent just a small percentage of the bizarre collection of claims being thrown at Palin by her opponents and some in the media -- who are desperately hoping something will stick. I leave you with my favorite so far: The Internet rumors that she harbors racism against Eskimos. If true, she sure has a strange way of expressing it -- her husband, Todd, is half Yupik Inuit Eskimo.

To balance that out, she must really love his other half.

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Glen Beck is awesome  yes.gif  He even takes up for Obama .....

Every once in a while, I get a call on my radio show from someone telling me that Barack Obama is secretly a Muslim, who admitted it in an interview with George Stephanopoulos, and has a fake birth certificate. No, no, and no. As I tell them, there are legitimate reasons not to vote for Barack Obama, no need to make them up.

Well... kinda....... cool.gif

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Edited by Nxt2Hvn, 12 September 2008 - 02:30 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 04:17 PM

her daughters pregnancy   ( as a parent myself ) Pallin either  wasn't paying attention or she just  wasn't there,IMO  she missed something  very  important  some where along the way and I dont think she knows what it was and we dont either.....and events of ones  life define you and say something of you they create a tone a feel for you.....   ... I would  want a leader to be paying attention, of course they make errors in judgment but its how they  self correct that interests me.and probably what  the  errors are some should not  be made IMO for myself included.....
........I do not think pallin has the maturity  needed to be a VP at this point.......   .

I also have asked several of my christian freinds as it had me questioning the family values dictum.....does the religous right support and encourage teen mothers????? the christians that I know said they do not and are not voting for her as it sends the wrong message......

Edited by Tangerine Sheri, 12 September 2008 - 04:19 PM.




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Posted 12 September 2008 - 04:23 PM

Tangerine Sheri on Sep 12 2008, 05:17 PM, said:

her daughters pregnancy   ( as a parent myself ) Pallin either  wasn't paying attention or she just  wasnt there, she missed something  very  important  some where along the way and I dont think she knows what it was and we dont either.....Buthe events of your life define you and say something of you   ... I would  want a leader to be paying attention, of course they make errors in judgment but its how they  self correct that interests me.....I do not think pallin has the maturity  needed to be a VP at this point.......   .

I also have asked several of my christian freinds as it had me questioning the family values dictum.....does the religous right support and encourage teen mothers????? the christians that I know said they do not and are not voting for her as it sends the wrong message......



So... I take it as your saying that when a teenager ends up preagnant that the mother is to blame and something could have been done about it....

WHATEVER! ... My mom was a wonderful stay at home mom, very much into our lives, we were all but home schooled, we went to a very small private school, I graduated with only 14 classmates.  ... I am the oldest of four children and my sister just two years younger got preagnant at 17.  My mom did everything she could to prevent that from happening ... She was and is the most dedicated parent anyone could ever have.

You say Christians judge people too much.... well it looks like you are judging not only Sarah Palin .... but all mothers that have had teenage daughters become mothers....  just so wrong!!!

Edited by Nxt2Hvn, 12 September 2008 - 04:24 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 04:33 PM

Nxt2Hvn on Sep 12 2008, 09:23 AM, said:

So... I take it as your saying that when a teenager ends up preagnant that the mother is to blame and something could have been done about it....

WHATEVER! ... My mom was a wonderful stay at home mom, very much into our lives, we were all but home schooled, we went to a very small private school, I graduated with only 14 classmates.  ... I am the oldest of four children and my sister just two years younger got preagnant at 17.  My mom did everything she could to prevent that from happening ... She was and is the most dedicated parent anyone could ever have.

You say Christians judge people too much.... well it looks like you are judging not only Sarah Palin .... but all mothers that have had teenage daughters become mothers....  just so wrong!!!



so are you saying you advocate teenage pregnancy then?????




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Posted 12 September 2008 - 04:34 PM

Tangerine Sheri on Sep 12 2008, 11:33 AM, said:

so are you saying you advocate teenage pregnancy then?????

Classic strawman. Congratulations.

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 04:34 PM

You can be the best parent in the world, and still have your kid get into trouble.
You can have a family of 4 kids. three are on the straight and narrow, and one is into drugs and unprotected sex.They were all raised the same, but for some reason that one just goes and turns out bad.You also don't know what the boyfriend told Palin's daughter.
lots of women and girls have gotten pregnant because they believed the lies from some man or boy that they loved them,etc.etc.


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Posted 12 September 2008 - 04:36 PM

Tangerine Sheri on Sep 12 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

so are you saying you advocate teenage pregnancy then?????



Okay... I don't know if you have boys, girls or both...... but lets just say they are human... and they end up pregnant or they end up getting someone pregnant.... what would you do... encourage abortion???

Sherri -  This is life... things happen... no I don't encourage teen pregnancy ... but it happens ... just like anything else does.

Do you or anyone in your family not make mistakes?  

It's how you deal with them that matter.   Palin is supporting her daughter, being there for her, that is what she is suppose to do.

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 05:00 PM

Nxt2Hvn on Sep 12 2008, 09:36 AM, said:

Okay... I don't know if you have boys, girls or both...... but lets just say they are human... and they end up pregnant or they end up getting someone pregnant.... what would you do... encourage abortion???

Sherri -  This is life... things happen... no I don't encourage teen pregnancy ... but it happens ... just like anything else does.

Do you or anyone in your family not make mistakes?  

It's how you deal with them that matter.   Palin is supporting her daughter, being there for her, that is what she is suppose to do.

boys, the eldest is 21, 15, 10  ....

indeed they are human and gonna have sex, i don't argue this point at all....

I do think pregnancy is easily avoided especially  nowadays .......


i am for taking every pre caution so a child never has to be faced with the  choice between abortion, adoption, or teen motherhood.....


i am big on education for prevention... pregnancy is one of the easiest things to prevent.....

I have said my heart goes  out for  all involved...








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Posted 12 September 2008 - 05:20 PM

Tangerine Sheri on Sep 12 2008, 05:00 PM, said:

boys, the eldest is 21, 15, 10  ....

indeed they are human and gonna have sex, i don't argue this point at all....

I do think pregnancy is easily avoided especially  nowadays .......


i am for taking every pre caution so a child never has to be faced with the  choice between abortion, adoption, or teen motherhood.....


i am big on education for prevention... pregnancy is one of the easiest things to prevent.....

I have said my heart goes  out for  all involved...



It may be easily prevented ... but doesn't mean it can't happen accidentally.  

My sister for instance.... pregnant at 17 with her first... married that father... 18 months later delivered another one .... and before you attack that .. you should know she was in birth control at the time she became pregnant with the second one.

Some things you can't control.... you don't even know if Palin's daughter was taking birth control or not.... it is possible that she was.

(My sister actually has five children now and I know for sure that two were conceived while she was on birth control --- And will add .. she is still married to the same man and they have a wonderful life together and are wonderful, very involved parents)

Edited by Nxt2Hvn, 12 September 2008 - 05:22 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 05:46 PM

I was pregnant at 17, and unwed. I have a beautiful daughter today that is 13 years old, and never a day in my life have I regretted the decision to have her. She is such a blessing in my life. It was my choice to have sex. It was nothing my mother did (I was raised by a single mom). So, I can't sit here and blame it on Sarah Palin, or look down on her for something her daughter chose to do. In fact, I see that baby as a blessing, and I know it will be to their family, whether or not the circumstances were perfect.

Edited by DeAnna, 12 September 2008 - 05:48 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2008 - 05:50 PM

Nxt2Hvn on Sep 12 2008, 10:20 AM, said:

It may be easily prevented ... but doesn't mean it can't happen accidentally.  

My sister for instance.... pregnant at 17 with her first... married that father... 18 months later delivered another one .... and before you attack that .. you should know she was in birth control at the time she became pregnant with the second one.

Some things you can't control.... you don't even know if Palin's daughter was taking birth control or not.... it is possible that she was.

(My sister actually has five children now and I know for sure that two were conceived while she was on birth control --- And will add .. she is still married to the same man and they have a wonderful life together and are wonderful, very involved parents)



Hvn, I have no intention of attacking your sister...I have a cousin who  by choice married really young 17 or so might of been younger , didn't even have kids until she was 20 or so and is still married very happily to him their kids are teenagers now.....so once in a while as your sister you can find your life partner....I don't dispute that.....

My cousin didnt have her  parents  she was on her own from  about 14 on .....i really didn't know too many who  got pregnant in high school.......

I have not heard of one getting pregnant from taking the pill, I have heard of those forgetting to  take their pills etc....I'd have to look into it see the  margin of ineffectiveness on the pill...

for millions including myself  it has never failed.....but this  is not to  say it can't, the product expired or had  manufacturing malfunctions, etc......

I have asked my christian  friends  if they  knew their  teens were engaging in premarital sex would  they  be upset?????
not one has said no they all have  said yes they would  be disappointed as its a sin.....

this may be a really good thread now that I think about  it lol....

I actually planned all my kids...





as far as marrying the father I am  not for that I could see  pallin  not wanting  to compound an already difficult situation and i beleive this is  what they have chosen.. they will not be getting married ....I would  think  the very best also if it was someone i admired ..I can appreciate  that  hvn.....

Edited by Tangerine Sheri, 12 September 2008 - 05:52 PM.




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Posted 12 September 2008 - 05:53 PM

DeAnna on Sep 12 2008, 10:46 AM, said:

I was pregnant at 17, and unwed. I have a beautiful daughter today that is 13 years old, and never a day in my life have I regretted the decision to have her. She is such a blessing in my life. It was my choice to have sex. It was nothing my mother did (I was raised by a single mom). So, I can't sit here and blame it on Sarah Palin, or look down on her for something her daughter chose to do. In fact, I see that baby as a blessing, and I know it will be to their family, whether or not the circumstances were perfect.


any baby is a gift regardless IMO.....




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Posted 12 September 2008 - 05:55 PM

Tangerine Sheri on Sep 12 2008, 05:17 PM, said:

her daughters pregnancy   ( as a parent myself ) Pallin either  wasn't paying attention or she just  wasn't there,IMO  she missed something  very  important  some where along the way and I dont think she knows what it was and we dont either

I really can't agree with you here. While I don't like Palin because of her policies and religion, this simply isn't fact. I mean, maybe she neglected her daughter, but we don't know that. As a teenager I understand how little control parents really have over them. When you're old enough to drive, have a job and cash to go anywhere you want, no amount of parental guidance is going to stop you from being with someone if you want to do so.


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Posted 12 September 2008 - 05:57 PM

Tangerine Sheri on Sep 12 2008, 06:00 PM, said:

i am big on education for prevention... pregnancy is one of the easiest things to prevent.....

We don't know she didn't teach her daughter to use contraception, and we don't know her daughter didn't use it.

Edited by BlindMessiah, 12 September 2008 - 06:02 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2008 - 06:02 PM

Nxt2Hvn on Sep 12 2008, 03:05 PM, said:

"Sarah Palin believes God told her to go to war with Iraq!"

There has been some hard-core journalistic malpractice on this one. The Associated Press ran this headline about a speech she gave at her church: "Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'"

In the story, they omit the first part of the sentence they're quoting along with the entire previous sentence for good measure.

Here are her actual words: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Palin is clearly praying that we're doing the right thing in Iraq, something sensible for an introspective woman of faith concerned about the lives of our troops to do. She's not saying that she just received a text message from heaven's BlackBerry ordering her to launch missiles. Sorry to disappoint you.

And for those of you who think politicians asking God for guidance is offensive, might I remind you of this famous politician's prayer:

"Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will." --Barack Obama

This is very similar to what McCain did in his ad about the pig comment. Her and his words were taken out of their context to say something else.

However, I do have a problem with her faith being an integral part of her life and as a US citizen I have a right to use my own world view to factor into my decision. She is entitled to put her faith on the line for everyone, but she can't expect people to not oppose her for that.





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