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#16    Aristocrates

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 02:43 AM

IrishAidan on Sep 19 2008, 08:05 PM, said:

Then you can't believe anything he says.

So Biden is a plagiarist and someone who, as you just noted, obviously says things simply because they are politically convenient at the time. Someone I want a heart beat away from the Oval Office? Nope.


For the record, no politician is as perfect and benevolent as your standards would seem to suggest; not even Obama, and especially not McCain. And I think its safe to assume that, if vp, Sarah Palin is QUITE a few theoretical heartbeats closer to the presidency than Biden would be, which in theory should scare the hell out of every American. What point are you trying to make exactly?

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 02:44 AM

Startraveler on Sep 18 2008, 01:10 PM, said:

And a possible running mate of Michael Bloomberg. Lots of people have fantasies about him, apparently.


Same with Michael Bloomberg. Apparently people have a hard time getting past non-telegenic, independent "Republicans".

Although I suppose in Bloomberg's case he's proven fairly competent as Mayor of New York.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 02:49 AM

IrishAidan on Sep 19 2008, 09:38 PM, said:

Another Hagel supporter. Amen. Love that guy.

I've had the pleasure of voting for him. He rankles many in-state Reps, yet, on the issues that truly matter to me, he's been gold. Sad to say, I believe he's retiring next time around.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 02:54 AM

Aristocrates on Sep 19 2008, 10:43 PM, said:

For the record, no politician is as perfect and benevolent as your standards would seem to suggest; not even Obama, and especially not McCain. And I think its safe to assume that, if vp, Sarah Palin is QUITE a few theoretical heartbeats closer to the presidency than Biden would be, which in theory should scare the hell out of every American. What point are you trying to make exactly?



How many of the above names - save Biden - have been accused of plagiarism...twice?

Yeah. That coupled with his double-talk is enough for me to despise him.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 03:10 AM

IrishAidan on Sep 19 2008, 10:54 PM, said:

How many of the above names - save Biden - have been accused of plagiarism...twice?

Yeah. That coupled with his double-talk is enough for me to despise him.


You're right, he's clearly a dumbass incapable of independent thought and judgment.

At least he's smart enough not to plagiarize from wikipedia

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 04:59 AM

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You're right, he's clearly a dumbass incapable of independent thought and judgment.

At least he's smart enough not to plagiarize from wikipedia


O.K.

And the last part I am wondering where it came from, but I will -- Moki -- soon find out.  happy.gif

Who, exactly, plagiarized Wikipedia?

Edited by IrishAidan, 20 September 2008 - 05:02 AM.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 05:22 AM

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And don't bring up the McCain flip-flops.


Biden's plagiarism incident was twenty years ago and you refer to incessantly. McCain will literally say something at 9 a.m. and then say the exact opposite thing by noon. He doesn't seem to know what he thinks, where he stands, or what he believes in anymore. Yet you don't want to talk about what's happening right now. You'd rather focus on 1988. Where was McCain in 1988? Oh right: hanging out with his pal Charles Keating (those were his pre-maverick days, I suppose). How's that deregulation stuff going again? Oops, polling seems to favor regulation these days. And so, suddenly, does John McCain.





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Posted 20 September 2008 - 05:32 AM

IrishAidan on Sep 19 2008, 09:59 PM, said:

O.K.

And the last part I am wondering where it came from, but I will -- Moki -- soon find out.  happy.gif

Who, exactly, plagiarized Wikipedia?

There seem to be some significant gaps in your knowledge of McCain, Irish.  Might explain why you think so highly of him...

Edited by HKCavalier, 20 September 2008 - 05:32 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2008 - 05:45 AM

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Biden's plagiarism incident was twenty years ago and you refer to incessantly. McCain will literally say something at 9 a.m. and then say the exact opposite thing by noon. He doesn't seem to know what he thinks, where he stands, or what he believes in anymore. Yet you don't want to talk about what's happening right now. You'd rather focus on 1988. Where was McCain in 1988? Oh right: hanging out with his pal Charles Keating (those were his pre-maverick days, I suppose). How's that deregulation stuff going again? Oops, polling seems to favor regulation these days. And so, suddenly, does John McCain.


Obama & Biden don't flip-flop, at all? Is that what you are telling me?

I hope, God I do, you are telling me that.

And Biden is a dishonest schmuck - a charlatan. A disgusting cyst on the *** of humanity.

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There seem to be some significant gaps in your knowledge of McCain, Irish. Might explain why you think so highly of him...


Well, Wikipedia is, you realize, an editable encyclopedia. I mean, could someone have put what McCain said in after the fact?

Edited by IrishAidan, 20 September 2008 - 05:47 AM.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 04:50 PM

IrishAidan on Sep 20 2008, 01:45 AM, said:

Well, Wikipedia is, you realize, an editable encyclopedia. I mean, could someone have put what McCain said in after the fact?


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Although other media outlets reported the alleged plagiarism, the two passages below were dated at least one week prior to the Georgian and Russian crisis. The first two paragraphs of McCain's speech appear to resemble the Wikipedia article in the history dated July 24, 2008.



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The text which McCain plagiarized (or 'used as a source') was apart of the wikipedia article at least 2 1/2 weeks prior to his speech (assuming it was given Aug. 11...I dont remember the date of the speech).
So no, the article was not changed to fit McCain's speech after the fact.

**edit: careless writing, lol

Edited by Aristocrates, 20 September 2008 - 06:06 PM.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 09:15 PM

Aristocrates on Sep 20 2008, 12:50 PM, said:

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The text which McCain plagiarized (or 'used as a source') was apart of the wikipedia article at least 2 1/2 weeks prior to his speech (assuming it was given Aug. 11...I dont remember the date of the speech).
So no, the article was not changed to fit McCain's speech after the fact.

**edit: careless writing, lol



O.K.  Thanks for the source - I'll be checking into it more.





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Posted 21 September 2008 - 05:42 AM

"I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she's a woman and a conservative." –Sarah Palin's mother-in-law, Faye Palin, who said she may vote for Obama

"She's old enough. She's a U.S. citizen." --John Harris, Alaska's Republican speaker of the house, when asked about Palin's qualifications for vice president

about says it all. really. The debate ought to be lots of fun.


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Posted 21 September 2008 - 06:24 AM

Lt_Ripley on Sep 21 2008, 05:42 AM, said:

"I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she's a woman and a conservative." –Sarah Palin's mother-in-law, Faye Palin, who said she may vote for Obama

"She's old enough. She's a U.S. citizen." --John Harris, Alaska's Republican speaker of the house, when asked about Palin's qualifications for vice president

about says it all. really. The debate ought to be lots of fun.



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Posted 21 September 2008 - 08:58 AM

IrishAidan on Sep 20 2008, 03:54 AM, said:

How many of the above names - save Biden - have been accused of plagiarism...twice?

Yeah. That coupled with his double-talk is enough for me to despise him.


Couple of questions for you, Irish.

Did Biden write the speech (for the second accusation of plagiarism), or was it written for him?

Do all politicians check the sources of their speechwriters?

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 09:38 AM

Leonardo on Sep 21 2008, 04:58 AM, said:

Couple of questions for you, Irish.

Did Biden write the speech (for the second accusation of plagiarism), or was it written for him?

Do all politicians check the sources of their speechwriters?


Well, my friend, if they don't then that is simply another reason they shouldn't be in office. After all, when I cast a vote for someone, I am casting it for that person - not their speechwriters, secretaries, et cetera...

Edited by IrishAidan, 21 September 2008 - 09:38 AM.

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