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#1    iph33r

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Posted 22 September 2008 - 03:13 AM

I have posted this in another sub-form because I couldn't decide which this topic belonged in. Anyways, I just watched a movie called Practical Magic with Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman, and it re-newed my faith in practicing magic and possessing psychic abilities openly. Is there anyone who practices magic or use their abilities out in the open, and how do others react to it?


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Posted 22 September 2008 - 06:00 PM

iph33r on Sep 21 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

I have posted this in another sub-form because I couldn't decide which this topic belonged in. Anyways, I just watched a movie called Practical Magic with Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman, and it re-newed my faith in practicing magic and possessing psychic abilities openly. Is there anyone who practices magic or use their abilities out in the open, and how do others react to it?

hehe same movie that got me interested in magic and all that stuff when i was only 10, that and the craft haha love those movies.


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Posted 22 September 2008 - 06:05 PM

iph33r on Sep 21 2008, 11:13 PM, said:

I have posted this in another sub-form because I couldn't decide which this topic belonged in. Anyways, I just watched a movie called Practical Magic with Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman, and it re-newed my faith in practicing magic and possessing psychic abilities openly. Is there anyone who practices magic or use their abilities out in the open, and how do others react to it?



"To know, to dare, to keep silent"
Magic is practiced in silence because of the way people react to it.
What I am dealing with  is a perfect example, and I do not practice any of my faith system in public. Yet I am met with agression, hostility, fear and threats.  Depending on where in the world you are, silence is usually the safest route.
If such practices were truly considered equal then Wicca, witchcraft, etc, would be recognized by the Supreme court as a religion.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:04 PM

MaggieDruydess on Sep 23 2008, 03:05 AM, said:

"To know, to dare, to keep silent"
Magic is practiced in silence because of the way people react to it.
What I am dealing with  is a perfect example, and I do not practice any of my faith system in public. Yet I am met with agression, hostility, fear and threats.  Depending on where in the world you are, silence is usually the safest route.
If such practices were truly considered equal then Wicca, witchcraft, etc, would be recognized by the Supreme court as a religion.



There is magic that is plain sleight of hand tricks, and there is supposed to be the kind called black magic which is believed to be done with the help of demonic powers.

If you are an instructed Christian you know from Bible classes or Sunday school that black magic is prohibited by God, because God does not like His people to engage in enlisting the aid of demons and not to patronize persons who consort with demons.

How do we know when someone is practicing black magic?

From my knowledge of my Christian faith, if the purpose is purely innocent amusement fun, like pulling out rabbits from a hat, that is just sleight of hand magic, not black magic.

If the purpose is evil, for example when a practitioner claims to be able to make a spouse leave his lawfully married life partner, so that you can achieve your wicked desire of courting one of the separated spouses.

Of course some smart people can make a living with promises to do black magic for your unholy purposes, but they don't really enjoy any assistance from demons.

The question may be asked, "Are there really demons?"

As a matter of fact there are all kinds of demonology, for example, Christian demonology, Islamic demonology, Judaic demonology, Hindu demonology, Buddhist demonology, and also Chinese folk demonology, to name just some.

There are more, much more entities in the world than scientific instruments can detect.

What do I think about demons?

They are of course in Christian theology creatures of God who just love to do mischief to man and among men.

What I like God to do if He does not mind my suggestion, is to try converting them from demonic entities to good creatures after serving Him, and being of benefit to man, like the angels in good standing with God.

Well, we don't know the mind of God, why He allows demons to do their mischievous deeds to man; that is His business.

And just we mind our own business, which is to keep His commandments and love one another.

What about black magic?

If there be people who really can perform feats of black magic, then I like to meet with them and ask them whether they would just ask and convince their demon partners to think about doing their kinds of powers for solving the problems of mankind, instead of being part of the problems of mankind.

Think about that.

By the way, black magic and demons could account for some unexplained mysteries.

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"If such practices were truly considered equal then Wicca, witchcraft, etc, would be recognized by the Supreme court as a religion."

I think the law considers a belief and observance system to be a religion if it serves a good purpose as good is defined also by the law.

Magic for fun amusement and black magic don't to my mind fit the idea of being oriented toward a good purpose, as good is traditionally understood also in the religions believing in God.

What about the Church of Satan? It can be and probably is registered as a non-profit society, but as a religion? I have to find out about the last point.


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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:48 PM

I havn't the energy today to be eloquent so I'm going to have to be blunt and I'm sorry if it offends.


"There is magic that is plain sleight of hand tricks, and there is supposed to be the kind called black magic which is believed to be done with the help of demonic powers."

So illusionists are devil worshipers?

"If you are an instructed Christian you know from Bible classes or Sunday school that black magic is prohibited by God, because God does not like His people to engage in enlisting the aid of demons and not to patronize persons who consort with demons."

The bible was written by men, not God. When God wants to appear before everyone and tell us his rules then I will consider changing my moral practices, which include honoring the gift of this earth we live upon, honoring my parents, loving my children, celibrating the changing of the seasons, Working to change things for myself rather then praying for help all the time, giving thanks for the blessings I have and finding the strength in MYSELF to endure what I must. Praying for others to be helped and helping them when they need it and praying for punishment on those who have done evil. I'm not christian so does that make all these things bad?

"How do we know when someone is practicing black magic?"

Black Magic is an oxymoron. There is no black magic and no white magic. Magic is what it is. That like saying "Black prayers and White prayers" It becomes the responsibility of the weilder to accept responsibility for what they do. A gun isn't responsible for hurting and killing people, the person pulling the trigger it.

"If the purpose is evil, for example when a practitioner claims to be able to make a spouse leave his lawfully married life partner, so that you can achieve your wicked desire of courting one of the separated spouses."

You are assuming that all people who use magic are dis-loyal, lu****l and wicked. That is as wrong as assuming that all christians are mindless sheep.

"The question may be asked, "Are there really demons?"

By the christian definition?  Everything that isn't an angel is a demon. Earth spirits, spirits of the deceased, etc.

"What I like God to do if He does not mind my suggestion, is to try converting them from demonic entities to good creatures after serving Him, and being of benefit to man, like the angels in good standing with God."

If something evil is done with a good purpose, is it still evil?  For example. If a person 'summons a demon' to protect a good person from other evil (using the logic that a demon (by christian definition mind you) will recognize other 'demonic' danger) then is the act still evil?

"What about black magic? "

see above answer

"If there be people who really can perform feats of black magic, then I like to meet with them and ask them whether they would just ask and convince their demon partners to think about doing their kinds of powers for solving the problems of mankind, instead of being part of the problems of mankind."

hypothetical; I perform rituals calling for the aid of elementals, which by christian definition are demons. Those 'spells' I cast with the purpose of cleansing and protecting the homes and lives of my loved ones, and anyone else who asks for that matter. So, am I a black witch?

"I think the law considers a belief and observance system to be a religion if it serves a good purpose as good is defined also by the law."

The law only determines 'good' because of it's inherint connection to christianity. Wicca and Witchcraft ARE NOT EVIL and ARE NO BAD, yet they are not considered religions.

"Magic for fun amusement and black magic don't to my mind fit the idea of being oriented toward a good purpose, as good is traditionally understood also in the religions believing in God."

By amusement if you mean the harm of another I agree.  I do not condone the use of magic for love affairs or anything that would harm another. I have a moral belief in Honor and Loyalty. I think magic done for selfish reasons is wrong, but that is my opinion and just that.

"What about the Church of Satan? It can be and probably is registered as a non-profit society, but as a religion? I have to find out about the last point."

They are/were non profit at one point, but research into the church of satan would show you they do not worship satan, they don't even beleive in him. They practice solely for the sake of selfishness. I cannot and do not agree with such practices, so I simply do not walk that path, it is not for me to judge them.




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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:55 PM

I'm curious, what magic can you do? What are we talking about here?


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Posted 25 September 2008 - 03:57 PM

Great post, MaggieDruydess.  I just can't understand how people can post drivel about subjects they know nothing about.  I have read so many posts by people who have never actually done any reading about magic, they just liten to their priests or pastors and take that as the truth.  And that everything that is not an angel is a demon?  Good gravy, that is so narrow minded...it's a wonder we ever advanced further than the Dark Ages.




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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:07 PM

oslove on Sep 25 2008, 11:04 AM, said:

"If such practices were truly considered equal then Wicca, witchcraft, etc, would be recognized by the Supreme court as a religion."


Wicca/witchcraft and paganism ARE recognized officially by a vast number of courts and states and organizations.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_rel.htm

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Oh and on a side note.....no religion has to be "officially recognized by the Supreme Court" to be a religion or to gain taxexempt status.

This is a country where freedom to worship reigns supreme.  The courts don't matter, except when a Wiccan'srights are threatened.



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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:12 PM

Neognosis on Sep 25 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

I'm curious, what magic can you do? What are we talking about here?


What kind of magic do I do?  I'm not sure what sort of answer you are looking for so I'll do my best. Stripping away any ritual that i might use (which never brings harm to any living thing) I do what many others do. I focus my will and my energy to a particular end.
I know a few cool card tricks too!  wink2.gif

What are we talking about?  From what I have seen we are attempting simplify or define the essence of life and energy into simple black and white terms and so attempting to soothe are fragile human psychie into thinking things are simple and black and white.

Edited by MaggieDruydess, 25 September 2008 - 04:14 PM.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 04:22 PM

glorybebe on Sep 25 2008, 11:57 AM, said:

Great post, MaggieDruydess.  I just can't understand how people can post drivel about subjects they know nothing about.  I have read so many posts by people who have never actually done any reading about magic, they just liten to their priests or pastors and take that as the truth.  And that everything that is not an angel is a demon?  Good gravy, that is so narrow minded...it's a wonder we ever advanced further than the Dark Ages.



It is human nature to be afraid of things we do not understand, that are new, and to be afraid of the dark.  Without technology humans are not the rulers of the earth, we are not the universal preditors. There is no sense in being angry at those who are frightened, it does nothing but give them reason to hate us.  We find answers in the world that is available to us, that does not make one stupid or cowardly, it makes them human. Had I not had the experiences in my youth I did, I may well not be the person I am today. I might have ended up angry and afraid too.  Everyone has a path to walk, it is not to us to judge them or tell them what steps to take.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 12:12 PM

MaggieDruydess on Sep 26 2008, 12:48 AM, said:

I havn't the energy today to be eloquent so I'm going to have to be blunt and I'm sorry if it offends.

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It's okay, I am not offended; we are all here trying to express our thoughts and with a grain or two of humor.

That is true from my part, at least.

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"What I like God to do if He does not mind my suggestion, is to try converting them from demonic entities to good creatures after serving Him, and being of benefit to man, like the angels in good standing with God."

If something evil is done with a good purpose, is it still evil?  For example. If a person 'summons a demon' to protect a good person from other evil (using the logic that a demon (by christian definition mind you) will recognize other 'demonic' danger) then is the act still evil?


According to traditional morality in the West, the end does not justify the means.

However, if you can get a demon to do something good, then by all means do call on demons and I will give you the credit for contacts with good demons.

Even human vampires are now accepted by Hollywood to be into fighting crimes and the forces of conventional evil in human society.

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hypothetical; I perform rituals calling for the aid of elementals, which by christian definition are demons. Those 'spells' I cast with the purpose of cleansing and protecting the homes and lives of my loved ones, and anyone else who asks for that matter. So, am I a black witch?

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I think if I am not mistaken originally the word demon means a spirit of inspiration to artistic people to get good ideas for doing arts -- from Greek, daemon or daimon; but I am not so sure now about my etymology.


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They are/were non profit at one point, but research into the church of satan would show you they do not worship satan, they don't even beleive in him. They practice solely for the sake of selfishness. I cannot and do not agree with such practices, so I simply do not walk that path, it is not for me to judge them.


Yes, I know about that, but what I can't understand is their use of the word or name Satan for an indication that their church has to do with Satan, for it gives them a bad press. which when you observe them at close hand they don't really go for heinous killing and all kinds of wicked perversities.

But I really like to meet some ex or former Satanists to ask them about what advantages they derived from being members of the Church of Satan (incorporated of course).

What advantages? How about the big umbrella of rendering them more healthy in body and in mind, more productive in earnings, and more likable in their neighborhood, in other words happy, i.e., satisfied with life and what life brings.


Dear MaggieDruydess:

Are you some practicing kind of witch or black magician?

You are okay if you can help people in your city block or your countrysides who are leaving the house but can't locate the car keys, and they just have to call you by phone, and you can tell them to look at particular spots in their home, at least limiting the number to less than ten, and they will surely locate the car keys.


And if your neighbors should be having a splitting headache, you can give them some of your own concocted ointment for them to rub on their temples, and voila the headache is gone.

That is definitely some good witchcraft or good black magic.


Tell me, what do you say about the ouija board, does it really get us in contact with spirits, so that we can do some investigations on their kind of existence and operation?


But I really enjoy writing posts in web message boards; hope you do also.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 12:33 PM

"Dear MaggieDruydess:

Are you some practicing kind of witch or black magician?"

I study and practice many things; Alchemy, 'magick', Astology, Astronomy, Tarot, Totems, Runes. I study herblore, aromatherapy. My disciplines include Tai Chi, Karate, horsemanship. What have these to do with magick?  The discipline and responsibility you learn from them and use that to apply to new endeavors. The list of my occult research and practices goes on and on, but not something I usually divulge in a public way do to the lack of open mindedness and understanding of a vast majority of people. I have enough troubles as it is without inviting more.

"You are okay if you can help people in your city block or your countrysides who are leaving the house but can't locate the car keys, and they just have to call you by phone, and you can tell them to look at particular spots in their home, at least limiting the number to less than ten, and they will surely locate the car keys.
And if your neighbors should be having a splitting headache, you can give them some of your own concocted ointment for them to rub on their temples, and voila the headache is gone.
That is definitely some good witchcraft or good black magic."

Thank you?

"Tell me, what do you say about the ouija board, does it really get us in contact with spirits, so that we can do some investigations on their kind of existence and operation?"

I played (and thats exactly what it was) with a ouija board a couple times in my youth. Those of us using it were already aware of the situation of our location when we did so. The fact we received answers and acurate information though was invalid becuase of what we already knew.
Another time I simply watched people using a board with no ill effects and yet another time I witnessed very ill effects.
I personally do not use a board. I like my pendulum but it rarely works, though that could be explained by the messed up electric in my system from being struck by lightning as a child.  I use tarot cards with great results, as well as simple meditation/chaneling.
I'm not sure any advice I would give would work for anyone else. I think my 'ability' stems from my past; the lightning strike, being born with no vital signs and having to be recusitated, and surviving a severe illness without medication.  Perhaps my 'wiring' is crossed somewhere. Perhaps i just imagine thing that happen to be accurate. Other then these things I see, hear and feel i am otherwise 'normal'.
My advice to others is always and only this: study study study. learn all you can about everything you can and never be afraid. Beleive completely in yourself and you will never be alone.


"But I really enjoy writing posts in web message boards; hope you do also."

I enjoy writting, though I admit I am not very well worded and not always so good at explaining. People tend to think my asking questions are a form of hostility when in truth it is nothing more then a question. I am enjoying this conversation though.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 03:58 PM

I had been interested in magic since the late 70's.  Yes I am dating myself a bit.  Unfortunately MaggieDruydess is correct in her statement that many practitioners have to do so in silence.  Yes there are some communities who welcome this practice with open arms, and yet the general consensus on magic is it is viewed as being either kooky or down right evil (depending on the religious text you read).  I have been and practitioner of Shamanism for some time now, but I do like to keep abreast on other forms of magic by either reading or finding others who practice and picking their brain.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 06:21 PM

newbloodmoon on Sep 26 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

I had been interested in magic since the late 70's.  Yes I am dating myself a bit.  Unfortunately MaggieDruydess is correct in her statement that many practitioners have to do so in silence.  Yes there are some communities who welcome this practice with open arms, and yet the general consensus on magic is it is viewed as being either kooky or down right evil (depending on the religious text you read).  I have been and practitioner of Shamanism for some time now, but I do like to keep abreast on other forms of magic by either reading or finding others who practice and picking their brain.


Of course, nobody would practice ritualistic-type magic in the open! However, for instance, if someone came up to you in the mall and asks you to do a tarot reading for them, Would you do it right there with lots of people around? How about performing a spell right there in the open? Demonstrating abilities of psychometry/telepathy/PK (or TK)/etc in public?

newbloodmoon on Sep 26 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

being either kooky or down right evil


Been watching that Addams Family M&M commercial, huh? wink2.gif


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Posted 27 September 2008 - 01:39 AM

Dear Maggie and everyone into all kinds of things which majority in society consider to be evil whatever that means -- evil usually means they don't welcome it for no other reason than that they think they might suffer some harm, or others will think of them to be in league with the devil whatever.

If you ask me, that is censorship of acts, worse than censorship of speech.

The majority in society is always into censoring minorities in society,  because it's more comfortable for them that everyone is like them, then no need to adjust everytime they come on someone or something different.

Witchcraft, black magic or magick whatever, the number one rule in all one's speech and acts and even just thoughts, "Do no harm."

When we have observed that rule faithfully, then we can start to do good to others, and I have no objections against anyone into witchcraft or black magick who makes a decent living from them.

There more entities and laws in the world than science can detect and traditional values will sanction.

What I wish is that all witches, sorcerers, shamans (and they need not be into shams) would organize and exchange notes, thereby the majority of mankind can relate with them as a group, and get to accept them as regular members of society.

Time for you guys to host a convention.


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