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#31    pendora

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:17 AM

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=w...mp;aq=f&oq=

There are many in Alaska who are not at all happy with her politics.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/elec...lin-rally_N.htm

Keep in mind the perspective.  "hundreds" of protestors in alaska represent a larger percentage because of the smaller population.

Many many are speaking up against her.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:17 AM

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I admit she has made some mistakes. But if you wanna criticize her, find a better reason.


Her "mistake" is accepting a position she ought to know she shouldn't be in. She's an ideological extremist who clearly knows just about nothing of policy at the national level. That's an extremely dangerous combination. In the TV age, there are a lot of superficialities we're forced to deal with that perhaps we shouldn't. But demanding a candidate be able to formulate a coherent and mature idea when asked a question is not one of them. That's a must and if someone can't do it, that's a deal-breaker. This woman is fast becoming a national embarrassment.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:18 AM

Fluffybunny on Sep 25 2008, 09:12 PM, said:

Well...she gets flustered and stammered with a simple question she had prepared for(for weeks) from her:
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Not exactly an imposing figure. How is it going to work out when this guy is angry and lives are at stake:
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When it comes to politics and dealing with people that are enemies you cant exactly just cut people slack; it could end with lost lives and war. She stammers and loses words it has bad implications for everyone.

As for me, if I was on TV I am sure I would make a mistake too, but I am not running for office. The weight of the world is not on my shoulders, nor do I want it to be. If I were I would make sure I spoke well and was prepared. So far in every interview she has shown herself as not being ready. Not even close. She has had to puff up her resume so much that when she is called out on it, she cant come up with a reasonable answer to questions because there really arent any... In reality living next to Canada and Russia doesnt give her any foreign experience, it was a point the Campaign tried to bring up, but it falls flat when you investigate it, and that is what happened. Same thing happens with her other puffed up credentials and questionable past dealings that she avoids talking about...


Do you have any evidence that she has stammered and lost words while handling State business?

Again, talking to one or two world leaders is a helluva lot different than knowing millions of people are watching you. Secondly, she knows this isn't her election - this is John McCain's. His last chance at the Oval Office.

Also, I'm not saying her comments are intelligent and well-thought out. I'm simply saying that she is going to make a few mistakes. Give her a damn break. Being good on T.V., and I'll say it again, has no bearing whatsoever on how you will perform as VP or P. The fact she has been inarticulate is just another thing the hard-left can criticize her for. Obama has ties to terrorists, does he not? I mean, who would you rather have in the Oval Office? Someone who makes a few mistakes with a camera in her face, or someone who has ties to someone like Ayers?

Personally, I think the whole Ayers thing is ridiculous - just another reason for the Right to pick on Obama. I think both sides need to grow the hell up.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:21 AM

Startraveler on Sep 25 2008, 09:17 PM, said:

Her "mistake" is accepting a position she ought to know she shouldn't be in. She's an ideological extremist who clearly knows just about nothing of policy at the national level. That's an extremely dangerous combination. In the TV age, there are a lot of superficialities we're forced to deal with that perhaps we shouldn't. But demanding a candidate be able to formulate a coherent and mature idea when asked a question is not one of them. That's a must and if someone can't do it, that's a deal-breaker. This woman is fast becoming a national embarrassment.


And how much national policy has any governor known when they've decided to run for President or Vice President? They accused Clinton of being inexperienced, too, if you recall.

This whole idea that in this day an age a President must be good on T.V. is silly. If we get some folks coming out and saying that Palin made a lot of gaffes when in policy meetings as governor, then I'll reconsider my position.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:28 AM

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And how much national policy has any governor known when they've decided to run for President or Vice President? They accused Clinton of being inexperienced, too, if you recall.


The difference is that Bill Clinton isn't some random guy, he's a certifiable genius who also happens to be a policy wonk. He knew what he was talking about and didn't need to be shielded from the press lest somehow ask him a question. The fact that Palin has to be sequestered like this is, frankly, pathetic and should set off warning bells in your head. The problem clearly isn't superficial: she's obviously incredibly media savvy and knows how to both work a crowd and individuals. People push this "she draws 60,000 people at her rallies!" one minute then try to say she's shy? Give me a break. She's a train wreck and not because she doesn't know to "look good on TV." I'm pretty sure that's her main qualification.





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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:36 AM

Startraveler on Sep 25 2008, 09:28 PM, said:

The difference is that Bill Clinton isn't some random guy, he's a certifiable genius who also happens to be a policy wonk. He knew what he was talking about and didn't need to be shielded from the press lest somehow ask him a question. The fact that Palin has to be sequestered like this is, frankly, pathetic and should set off warning bells in your head. The problem clearly isn't superficial: she's obviously incredibly media savvy and knows how to both work a crowd and individuals. People push this "she draws 60,000 people at her rallies!" one minute then try to say she's shy? Give me a break. She's a train wreck and not because she doesn't know to "look good on TV." I'm pretty sure that's her main qualification.


Of course, it must be different when it is a Democrat. Also, I fail to see how she is being shielded from the press. She has done about 3 or 4 interviews and has only been running since what? Late August? Secondly, her drawing big crowds has nothing to do with my argument. I've not mentioned that at all. I just know that when you know a million people are listening for you to make a mistake when a reporter, who BTW are always looking to make a name for themselves, is asking you questions, you might be a little nervous too. Also, talking to a group of people knowing what you are going to say and having time to plan it out, knowing no questions will be asked, is a lot different than being fired upon by a reporter with millions looking on.

Your last comment was sexist, you realize. Are you saying McCain picked her and people like her strictly because she is beautiful? Real liberal comment, bud.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:37 AM

McCain picked her hoping to pick up the Hil women votes.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:42 AM

IrishAidan on Sep 25 2008, 08:36 PM, said:

Of course, it must be different when it is a Democrat. Also, I fail to see how she is being shielded from the press. She has done about 3 or 4 interviews and has only been running since what? Late August? Secondly, her drawing big crowds has nothing to do with my argument. I've not mentioned that at all. I just know that when you know a million people are listening for you to make a mistake when a reporter, who BTW are always looking to make a name for themselves, is asking you questions, you might be a little nervous too. Also, talking to a group of people knowing what you are going to say and having time to plan it out, knowing no questions will be asked, is a lot different than being fired upon by a reporter with millions looking on.

Your last comment was sexist, you realize. Are you saying McCain picked her and people like her strictly because she is beautiful? Real liberal comment, bud.

You know how many interviews and questions and answer sessions with reporters that Biden has done in about the same time? 89...not 8 or 9...89. He didnt get named that much sooner than she did. They have just kept her in a media blackout.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:44 AM

Fluffybunny on Sep 25 2008, 09:42 PM, said:

You know how many interviews and questions and answer sessions with reporters that Biden has done in about the same time? 89...not 8 or 9...89. He didnt get named that much sooner than she did. They have just kept her in a media blackout.


Biden was on T.V. all the time when he was just a senator - it's nothing new to him.

When the debate happens, her and Biden, see how she does. Until then, don't criticize her for absolutely nothing. And indeed, criticizing her because she made a few gaffes when talking to reporters amounts to nothing.





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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:45 AM

Helen Keller couldn't talk, but she was pretty damn smart.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:52 AM

IrishAidan on Sep 25 2008, 09:45 PM, said:

Helen Keller couldn't talk, but she was pretty damn smart.



What an inane comment.

Are you comparing a true warrior to Palin??  Be real.

Helen Keller was without sight and hearing and speech.

Palin attended four colleges in six years and can't string a coherent answer together on the most minor of national and international questions.

You're way off the mark even discussing the Barbie doll and Helen Keller in the same breath.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:53 AM

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Also, I fail to see how she is being shielded from the press.


You've got to be kidding.

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Your last comment was sexist, you realize. Are you saying McCain picked her and people like her strictly because she is beautiful? Real liberal comment, bud.


People like her because she's unexceptional yet personable (though her negatives are above her positives in the polling now so I should probably say "some people"). But yes, she was chosen because she's an attractive woman. It was a political ploy. The sexism is on the part of McCain's handlers.



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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:53 AM

pendora on Sep 25 2008, 09:52 PM, said:

What an inane comment.

Are you comparing a true warrior to Palin??  Be real.

Helen Keller was without sight and hearing and speech.

Palin attended four colleges in six years and can't string a coherent answer together on the most minor of national and international questions.

You're way off the mark even discussing the Barbie doll and Helen Keller in the same breath.


It was a pun. The fact you couldn't discern that is perhaps more scary than Palin's gaffes.

Talk about inane.

Edited by IrishAidan, 26 September 2008 - 01:56 AM.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:53 AM

IrishAidan on Sep 25 2008, 08:44 PM, said:

Biden was on T.V. all the time when he was just a senator - it's nothing new to him.

When the debate happens, her and Biden, see how she does. Until then, don't criticize her for absolutely nothing. And indeed, criticizing her because she made a few gaffes when talking to reporters amounts to nothing.

I would love to see the VP debate, but mccain wants to put it off...that in itself is telling dont you think.

I have my guesses to why, as I have seen Biden debate, and that is one thing he can do pretty well, and she is green and likely to end up worse off then she has in the interviews she has done...

I am not saying she is stupid. just horribly under qualified. I am not saying that a woman couldnt do the job either. Hell, hillary would walk all over her in debates, and I dont even like her, but she knows her stuff.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:56 AM

IrishAidan on Sep 25 2008, 09:53 PM, said:

It was a pun. The fact you couldn't discern that is perhaps more scarier than Palin's gaffes.

Talk about inane.

There was no pun in your comment.

Just stupidity

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