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#1    libertyworld

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:10 AM

"Straw polls like this are important because they are done in a random fashion without questions that can be tainted by any bias from the pollster."


Sept 11 - Sept 18:  McCain 60% Obama 40%  (Over 320,000 votes)
Sept 25 - Oct 2:     McCain 61%  Obama 39% (Still running, will restart when finished)

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008...-sept-25-oct-2/

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:19 AM

I'm sorry I just don't trust polls I think he won hands down and thats all that matters


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:22 AM

Only pols closer to the election really count.

Then again, I was at dinner last night with a bunch of people (middle class and white) and all said they squarely would vote for Obama.

But, like the pols show, it wasn't that they so loved Obama as much as they didn't like Bush. When I pointed out Bush wasn't running in this election that didn't seem to matter.  whistling2.gif

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:24 AM

I concur Ceasar.
Some are just more reliable than others, and of course there is a built in bias of only sampling AOL readers...

Edited by libertyworld, 29 September 2008 - 03:27 AM.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:26 AM

So how are these polls different from all the others?

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:30 AM

InHuman on Sep 28 2008, 11:26 PM, said:

So how are these polls different from all the others?


It shows a McCain lead.


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:31 AM

This is ridiculous. In order to believe this poll is accurate, then ya gotta believe Obama's own state, Illinois, is voting for McCain. LOL. This poll is a waste of time.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:36 AM

InHuman on Sep 28 2008, 08:26 PM, said:

So how are these polls different from all the others?

No choosing who to poll.
No polling only those with a land line.
No pollster to inject any bias of their own which many have.
No cleverly worded questions designed to produce a certain outcome.
No questions at all except for the most basic choice.
Totally random outside of only sampling from AOL users.
Huge samplings.

Not the last word by any means, mind you...
And I am at the head of the line cautioning against putting too much stock in any poll...
But just the simplicity and randomness and size sets it apart significantly from most others.

Edited by libertyworld, 29 September 2008 - 07:34 PM.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:39 AM

So this poll is only for those who visit the site?

Oh, okay.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:40 AM

During the 2004 election year I was called a 3 times for polling. Each time it was very clear from the questions which way they wanted me to answer.

By the time they called me the 3rd anf inal time they asked me 4 rather basic questions then said I did not meet the profile of the kind of person they wanted to include in the poll and they hung up on me.

To this day I haven't receive another polling call.



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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:40 AM

Couldn't you link this poll to conservitive sites and get higher republicans voting? I think I've seen this on a Puma site for pro hillary supporters


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 01:14 PM

I wonder how a "straw poll" at msnbc would turn out? or at fox news? The whole idea of a straw pole is to get a generalized cross section of the voters.

There is an old saying about, "lies, damned lies, and statistics"... Anyone who has actual taken a statistics class can see the flaws in the poll. There is a reason why polls use telephones to call people at home an ask questions. It allows you to create a more accurate sample pool that reflects the voters. Having a poll hidden on aol website limits access to anyone who doesnt spend time on the computer(Who would that possibly be?).

But hey, if it makes you guys happy, who am I to burst your bubble.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 01:23 PM

The point is that a straw poll is never representative, to be representative everybody concerned should have an equal chance to respond.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 01:25 PM

libertyworld on Sep 28 2008, 10:36 PM, said:

No choosing who to poll.
No polling only those with a land line.
No pollster to inject any bias of their own which many have.
No cleverly worded questions designed to produce a certain outcome.
No questions at all except for the most basic choice.
Totally random outside of only sampling from AOL visitors.
Huge samplings.

Not the last word by any means, mind you...
And I am at the head of the line cautioning against putting too much stock in any poll...
But just the simplicity and randomness and size sets it apart significantly from most others.

Have you ever take a statistics class?

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 02:38 PM

Fluffybunny on Sep 29 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

Have you ever take a statistics class?


Is the Pope Catholic? Why would you ask the obvious?

ED, if you want to see representative figures see here

Edited by questionmark, 29 September 2008 - 02:45 PM.

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