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#16    HKCavalier

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:58 AM

Caesar on Sep 28 2008, 08:37 PM, said:

A man that has spent most of his time being a community organizer...

He spent only 3 years in his twenties as a community organizer.  Get over it.


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 05:03 AM

HKCavalier on Sep 29 2008, 12:58 AM, said:

He spent only 3 years in his twenties as a community organizer.  Get over it.

Why are you so upset. I'm just stating his experience to the U.M. community free of charge


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 05:07 AM

Maybe a community organizer is what we need. The politicians haven't done anything. Maybe we need a non-politico, or one with little political experience, like Obama, to clean things up. Ever consider that? What the hell is McCain going to do? He's done the same old **** for nearly 30 years. He always talks about cutting spending. WTF is that? Does my neighbor who can't feed his kids give a flying **** what the federal government spends? No. Why? because they aren't helping him. McCain and his federal funding freeze will be nothing but a disaster.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 05:24 AM

IrishLexie on Sep 29 2008, 01:07 AM, said:

Maybe a community organizer is what we need. The politicians haven't done anything. Maybe we need a non-politico, or one with little political experience, like Obama, to clean things up. Ever consider that? What the hell is McCain going to do? He's done the same old **** for nearly 30 years. He always talks about cutting spending. WTF is that? Does my neighbor who can't feed his kids give a flying **** what the federal government spends? No. Why? because they aren't helping him. McCain and his federal funding freeze will be nothing but a disaster.

I had the same idea but with Palin


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 06:04 AM

But Palin is and would be too easily controlled. Just look at whats she's gotten herself into now with the debates/interviews and such.

Same thing happened with Mccain. Altho those great stands and views he had in 2000 have flopped to whatever the stronger group in the rebublican party want..

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:09 AM

MasterPo on Sep 28 2008, 09:53 PM, said:

I agree.

By "executive experience" we (me and I presume you) mean that the candidate has been the #1 top buck-stops-here person of an organization and not just on a committee.


Obama was President of the Harvard Law Review, and both Obama and McCain have had some serious executive experience involved in the running of their political campaigns for the Presidency.

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Now in truth neither Obama nor McCain has been in that roll.

So let's dig deeper.

McCain does have military experience as an officer. Officers are in charge of groups of junior ranking persons. The officer is responsible and accountable for the group, the success or failure, and the very lives of the group. And he had to answer to more senior people who could discipline him if he failed.


That hardly counts as relevant executive experience, since at McCain's rank when he was in the Navy, he played no part in the development or implementation of any serious strategic-level planning. Maybe if he had been an admiral instead of merely a pilot.


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 10:59 AM

Guardsman Bass on Sep 29 2008, 09:09 AM, said:

That hardly counts as relevant executive experience, since at McCain's rank when he was in the Navy, he played no part in the development or implementation of any serious strategic-level planning. Maybe if he had been an admiral instead of merely a pilot.


True, and one has to also consider that all active service ranks as pilots are officer ranks (as far as I know. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that). That rank in itself carries no direct leadership role but is historically assigned as the pilot is the 'captain' of the aircraft they fly.

If McCain had been a bomber pilot I would accept he has that military experience at team leadership (although he probably participated in exercises in which he was expected to have some form of leadership role), but he chose to fly fighters.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 01:30 PM

AROCES on Sep 29 2008, 05:04 AM, said:

Yup, and feel free to reply.



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Posted 29 September 2008 - 01:37 PM

In my opinion no one amongst the people running is really qualified for the top position.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:26 PM

SilverCougar on Sep 29 2008, 01:30 PM, said:

Just sayin' man.  You're pot's pretty black there.

And your pot's newly cleaned????


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:31 PM

Fluffybunny on Sep 29 2008, 07:37 AM, said:

In my opinion no one amongst the people running is really qualified for the top position.


It's generally difficult to tell who ends up being qualified for the job or not. We usually pick governors as Presidential candidates, simply because they've dealt with a similar situation on the state-wide scale - but that has limits. One of the reasons why I don't think Sarah Palin's gubernatorial experience should be weighted too much is because Alaska is very unusual among states. Most states have to work out a compromise between federal grants, state taxes, and a budget - almost always within the context of a Balanced Budget Amendment. In Alaska's case, they simply have to raise rent on the oil companies up on the North Slope, or have some very good federal lobbyists.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:48 PM

After having elected G.W. Bush twice, the US has lost the right to ask that question about any candidate ever again !  yes.gif

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:48 PM

Pandora. on Sep 29 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

After having elected G.W. Bush twice, the US has lost the right to ask that question about any candidate ever again !  yes.gif

Wasnt my fault...I had nothing to do with that either time.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 04:54 PM

Fluffybunny on Sep 29 2008, 05:48 PM, said:

Wasnt my fault...I had nothing to do with that either time.


Ok, fair enough, I'll differentiate: Anyone who voted for G.W. Bush twice, has lost the right to ask that question about any candidate ever again !  yes.gif


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 06:42 PM

For Guardsman Bass and Leonardo, I have an example of both military and executive leadership.
But it's not by an officer, but an enlisted man, my late father. Is this the sort of thing you are looking for in McCain's resume?
Here it goes. Citation to Accopmpany the Award of The Meritorious Service Medal to Fred J.Hilpert

Chief Master Sergeant Fred J.Hilpert distinguished himself in the performance of oustanding service to the United States as Noncommissioned Officer inCharge of the Intelligence Data Handling branch,J2 Division Alaskan Air Command ,from 10June 1967 to 9 June 1970. During this period, Sergeant Hilpert designed the highly complex Alaskan Command Intelligence Fusion Center, and the Alaskan Command Resource Management System,which are being considered as a standard Defense Intelligence Agency Management System. As a result of his superior leadership,sound judgement and managerial ability,action was taken that resulted in a savings of fifty thousand dollars a year in equipment rental,and a savings of eighteen mapower spaces. The singularly distinctive accomplishments of Sergeant Hilpert reflect great credit upon himself and the United States Airforce.

I would gladly post a copy of this, but i don't have any way to do so at this time. Somehwere at home is one he got from Randolph AFB, which was for the oakleaves to this medal. He was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation with oakleaves, Bronze Star,Silver Star and various campaigen medals. He was like McCain a prisioner of war,but of the Germans in North Africa,until the camp got liberated by the allies. And like McCain, he also flew in planes, but was a flight crew chief and airplane mechanic. He was at Tobruk,and took part in the raids on Ploesti,Romania ,the Apollo Refineries in Czecheslovakia
and Monte Casino. Even though a Catholic, it never bothered my father, then or many years later about bombing the famous Benedictine Abbey.From a military stand point , it was a roadblock, and it needed to go, and he had a job to do.
It was when he was in Italy, he got recruited to spy on Tito's partisans., that's how he got started in intelligence work having top secret and crypto clearences.
When WW2 came,he was working at Briggs and Stratton and had a deferment, but told grandpa he was going in anyways.
Was a vet of three wars, and spent 33 years in the military.
He spoke German and Yiddish, and knew Italian and a smattering of Polish and Hungarian.
Somewhere my brother said, there was a photo of daddy with some other military men and President Nixon.
While attending school in florida for the military the former Kaiser's son was giving a talk. My dad spoke to him after the lecture, butI can't recall what they discussed. He also used to sometimes talk to President Benes of Czechoslavkia, when he was living in Milwaukee, just a few houses down from my dad.My dad just knew him as a nice old man,but didn't find out who he really was until one day when he saw police and news reporters outside the house Benes lived in with relatives.He came home and asked grandma, who told him ,which was a big surprise to him.
I mention this since someone somewhere talked about Palin meeting world leaders.
He was very knowledgeable about the history of the problems in the middle East, what went wrong with the Bay of Pigs,
Carter and the Ayatola etc. I recall him saying that they should have gotten rid of Sadam huessin when they had the chance,and why.He also long before he passed away in 1996 mentioned about Iran and nukes.
Am I bragging sure i am. I think he would have made a better VP than Palin.He would certainly understand the way Putin and the russians think,after all the USAF spied on the russians all the time in Alaska.
Being in intelligence he would know how the CIA ,British MI5 and others operate.When he was at NSA they wanted him to stay, but he said no,cause he wanted to retire and wanted to get out of the spy game.
And unlike Bush, would know how to read intelligence reports and what's true and false.He could drink beer at the bar with average joe, but could also debate religious subjects with people like John Hagee and pat robertson, having studied apologetics with the jesuits at Marquette University, while studying engineering.
but he would never have run for public office, and that's the shame of it all.All those men and women out there with REAL
leadership qualities  who have no interest in being president ,simply because they have don't have this hugh ego to rule everybody and everything.
And so we are stuck with what we've got,God help us.





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