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Posted 29 September 2008 - 07:37 PM

Caesar on Sep 28 2008, 08:37 PM, said:

A man that has spent most of his time being a community organizer then Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004 where Obama used present votes 129 times over eight years. one of every 31 votes in his legislative career. then U.S. Senator, from 2005 till today. most of his U.S. Senate time was spent running for president well in 143 days in the Senate and decides to run for office.

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Just barely. It is only the fact that there is a dedicated Democrat base that makes him a contender. Hillary was a little more qualified, but she also was basically a junior Senator. Biden would make a better Prez.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:14 PM

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That's much closer to what I'm talking about. It's not quite as if McCain were a flag officer, but still a very good example of managerial competence and organizational ability (hats off to your late father in getting that set up).

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:09 PM

Guardsman Bass on Sep 29 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

That's much closer to what I'm talking about. It's not quite as if McCain were a flag officer, but still a very good example of managerial competence and organizational ability (hats off to your late father in getting that set up).


Thanks for your praise. I would have voted for McCain when he first was running, but now  i question his judgement with choosing Palin among other things.I mean,there are Republican women in Congress  who could have been choosen,
why or how he picked her is beyond me.Now in the paper  today they had about McCain and gambling and casinos,what's next? Obama doesn't look good to me either.

At least with Hilary you knew what you were getting, and everyone one knew how Bill was as president, so I'm sorry she didn't get the nomination. Maybe things under Hilary wouldn't have been so bad.

I just know we need a strong smart leader who can somehow make things work.



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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:38 PM

AROCES on Sep 29 2008, 04:26 PM, said:

And your pot's newly cleaned????


*rummages through her pot* I know.. I said I'll pick on whoever indiscriminently should the proper ammunition be given.  Mean while You're saying it's uncool to pick on Palin while throwing stones at the other team.

But with the topic..

I find this strange.  People have been crying out that they want their canidate to be like the "regulare guy".  But now are claimouring that Obama isn't qualified enough.  Well regulare guys arn't qualified to run this country.  And I don't want a regular guy.  I don't want someone who panders to be one.  I want someone who will show that they are elite enough and qualified enough.  Obama, in my eye, has shown he is indeed qualified.

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:47 PM

OK, that is it!

This is ridiculous.

Now, everyone who replies hence forth may you please either:
A. Agree that Obama has more and better experience then McCain or Palin.
B. Please explain McCain's or Palin's experience in the following categories:
---Constitutional Law and US liberties.
---Time in government/politics.
---Economics.
---Foreign Policy.
---Work with common voters and citizens.
---Anything else you would wish to add.

What you are NOT allowed to do:
--Scream "LOLOLOLOL COMMUNITY ORGANIZER LALALALALALA!!!" This means you, MasterPo, and you Incorrigible.


OK? Now, I'll do Obama's. I'm going to use a lot from his wikipedia page, and the site below, but I'll back up everything I deem necessary with valid sources. If you want a source for anything, just ask.
http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Does+Barack...be+president%3F

---Constitutional Law and US liberties.
Obama got a Law Degree at Harvard University. He became the editor of The Harvard Law Review, a prestigious position in the college.
He then began working at a civil rights firm and went on to teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago.

He also, in 1993, joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a twelve attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.

Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992.

He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.

---Time in government/politics.
He has ten years experience in public office: 2 in the US senate, and 8 in the Illinois Senate.
Compare this to:
Hillary Clinton (six-plus years as Senator from New York)
John Edwards (six years as Senator from North Carolina)
George W. Bush(six years as the Governor of Texas)
Abraham Lincoln (two years in the U.S.House)

During Obama's Time in the senate, he has done extensive work, and been an extremely active participant in the Senate. Here's a list of bills he's sponsored:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills...d_States_Senate

---Economics.
He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.

---Foreign Policy.
Obama majored in Political science at Columbia, with a specialization in international relationships. He graduated with a BA.
n the U.S. Senate Obama is unique among Senators in that he serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues including the Foreign Relations; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs committees and is the Chair of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations which is responsible fore U.S. relations with European countries, the European Union, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (i.e., NATO).

Obama service on the Foreign Relations committee has placed him in an unique position in that he is the Chair of the Subcommittee on European Relations and serves on the Subcommittees on African Affairs; East Asia and Pacific Affairs; and International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs, and International Environmental Protection. This cross-section of subcommittees places Obama in a unique position of having knowledge about Asian, African and European issues.

Obama has also traveled extensively in his capacity as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and has visited Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, and the Palestinian Territories in the Middle East; and Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, and South Africa in Africa. He has also visited and even campaigned in Europe, which would be a joke to McCain, who is widely laughed at abroad.

Obama has also co-sponsored the "Lugar-Obama Act" with Republican Senator Richard Lugar who was Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations at the time. This act was a bi-partisan effort to increase U.S. security in terms of the elimination of conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. This legislation came out of Obama's trip with Senator Richard Lugar to Russia, the Ukraine and Azerbaijan.

Obama has also sponsored legislation such as the "Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act" which was signed into law by President Bush on December 22, 2006. Obama has co-sponsored immigration related bills related to his service on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee including the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. His extensive foreign policy experience exceeds that of every other Presidential candidate including his trips abroad in the performance of his official duties as a member of committees dealing with foreign relation issues.

---Work with common voters and citizens.
Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.

Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.

Obama directed Illinois' Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of ten and seven hundred volunteers; it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African-Americans in the state, and led to Crain's Chicago Business naming Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be

---Anything else you would wish to add.
Obama has won 2 Grammy awards, and written two bestselling books.


There. Now it is McCain's turn, and Palin's turn.
Once we can get everyone in, then we can actually asses the situation without idiotic comments spouting rubbish and screaming "LALALALALA".

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:52 PM

SilverCougar on Sep 29 2008, 02:38 PM, said:

*rummages through her pot* I know.. I said I'll pick on whoever indiscriminently should the proper ammunition be given.  Mean while You're saying it's uncool to pick on Palin while throwing stones at the other team.

But with the topic..

I find this strange.  People have been crying out that they want their canidate to be like the "regulare guy".  But now are claimouring that Obama isn't qualified enough.  Well regulare guys arn't qualified to run this country.  And I don't want a regular guy.  I don't want someone who panders to be one.  I want someone who will show that they are elite enough and qualified enough.  Obama, in my eye, has shown he is indeed qualified.

i agree, he has shown that he is articulate , intelligent, flexible  and diplomatic  and compassionate ... i like that he is young and puts alot of time and thought  into understanding things...He is no push over ...

I am  part of the crowd who doesn't vote actaully i have  never voted in my life and know lots who don't its been our posit our voice so far with the mess many call the system.....

so for me and the  group I know to come out to vote they have  to be on e heck of a canidate and we see this is in Obama.. can he  change things who knows but I am  willing to  take a shot on him.....


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:55 PM

HollyDolly on Sep 29 2008, 02:09 PM, said:

Thanks for your praise. I would have voted for McCain when he first was running, but now  i question his judgement with choosing Palin among other things.I mean,there are Republican women in Congress  who could have been choosen,
why or how he picked her is beyond me.Now in the paper  today they had about McCain and gambling and casinos,what's next? Obama doesn't look good to me either.

At least with Hilary you knew what you were getting, and everyone one knew how Bill was as president, so I'm sorry she didn't get the nomination. Maybe things under Hilary wouldn't have been so bad.

I just know we need a strong smart leader who can somehow make things work.


many here are saying  why didnt he choose  Condaleza Rice???


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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:57 PM

sqlserver on Sep 29 2008, 02:47 PM, said:

OK, that is it!

This is ridiculous.

Now, everyone who replies hence forth may you please either:
A. Agree that Obama has more and better experience then McCain or Palin.
B. Please explain McCain's or Palin's experience in the following categories:
---Constitutional Law and US liberties.
---Time in government/politics.
---Economics.
---Foreign Policy.
---Work with common voters and citizens.
---Anything else you would wish to add.

What you are NOT allowed to do:
--Scream "LOLOLOLOL COMMUNITY ORGANIZER LALALALALALA!!!" This means you, MasterPo, and you Incorrigible.


OK? Now, I'll do Obama's. I'm going to use a lot from his wikipedia page, and the site below, but I'll back up everything I deem necessary with valid sources. If you want a source for anything, just ask.
http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Does+Barack...be+president%3F

---Constitutional Law and US liberties.
Obama got a Law Degree at Harvard University. He became the editor of The Harvard Law Review, a prestigious position in the college.
He then began working at a civil rights firm and went on to teach constitutional law at the University of Chicago.

He also, in 1993, joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a twelve attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.

Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992.

He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.

---Time in government/politics.
He has ten years experience in public office: 2 in the US senate, and 8 in the Illinois Senate.
Compare this to:
Hillary Clinton (six-plus years as Senator from New York)
John Edwards (six years as Senator from North Carolina)
George W. Bush(six years as the Governor of Texas)
Abraham Lincoln (two years in the U.S.House)

During Obama's Time in the senate, he has done extensive work, and been an extremely active participant in the Senate. Here's a list of bills he's sponsored:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills...d_States_Senate

---Economics.
He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.

---Foreign Policy.
Obama majored in Political science at Columbia, with a specialization in international relationships. He graduated with a BA.
n the U.S. Senate Obama is unique among Senators in that he serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues including the Foreign Relations; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs committees and is the Chair of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations which is responsible fore U.S. relations with European countries, the European Union, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (i.e., NATO).

Obama service on the Foreign Relations committee has placed him in an unique position in that he is the Chair of the Subcommittee on European Relations and serves on the Subcommittees on African Affairs; East Asia and Pacific Affairs; and International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs, and International Environmental Protection. This cross-section of subcommittees places Obama in a unique position of having knowledge about Asian, African and European issues.

Obama has also traveled extensively in his capacity as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and has visited Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, and the Palestinian Territories in the Middle East; and Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, and South Africa in Africa. He has also visited and even campaigned in Europe, which would be a joke to McCain, who is widely laughed at abroad.

Obama has also co-sponsored the "Lugar-Obama Act" with Republican Senator Richard Lugar who was Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations at the time. This act was a bi-partisan effort to increase U.S. security in terms of the elimination of conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. This legislation came out of Obama's trip with Senator Richard Lugar to Russia, the Ukraine and Azerbaijan.

Obama has also sponsored legislation such as the "Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act" which was signed into law by President Bush on December 22, 2006. Obama has co-sponsored immigration related bills related to his service on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee including the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. His extensive foreign policy experience exceeds that of every other Presidential candidate including his trips abroad in the performance of his official duties as a member of committees dealing with foreign relation issues.

---Work with common voters and citizens.
Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.

Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.

Obama directed Illinois' Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of ten and seven hundred volunteers; it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African-Americans in the state, and led to Crain's Chicago Business naming Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be

---Anything else you would wish to add.
Obama has won 2 Grammy awards, and written two bestselling books.


There. Now it is McCain's turn, and Palin's turn.
Once we can get everyone in, then we can actually asses the situation without idiotic comments spouting rubbish and screaming "LALALALALA".

Cheers,
SQLserver

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 01:07 AM

It certainly would not have hurt Obama to wait four more years and then be an even better candidate. What's the rush? He needs some aging.

John McCain has been in the Congress since Obama was in college. Some 24+ years of service to the US seems like more experience then 4.

If Obama looses, it will be due to his percieved lack of experience.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 01:12 AM

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It certainly would not have hurt Obama to wait four more years and then be an even better candidate. What's the rush? He needs some aging.

John McCain has been in the Congress since Obama was in college. Some 24+ years of service to the US seems like more experience then 4.

If Obama looses, it will be due to his percieved lack of experience.

I say that McCain waits 4 more years to run. Maybe he can go back to college and actually get a degree in that time. Maybe he can dedicate himself to learning something about foreign policies, or the average voter. Perhaps he should spend the time studying law, and the constitution.




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Posted 30 September 2008 - 01:43 AM

Imagine joining a company and after a mere 3 years wanting to be an executive manager with the corner office, triple-digit pay, perks etc.

Not unless you can walk on water.

GE takes 20 years to groom an executive.


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Posted 30 September 2008 - 02:05 AM

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Imagine joining a company and after a mere 3 years wanting to be an executive manager with the corner office, triple-digit pay, perks etc.

Not unless you can walk on water.

GE takes 20 years to groom an executive.

Even better:
Imagine them hiring a chief engineer who has never even taken a class in the subject!


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Posted 30 September 2008 - 04:51 AM

HollyDolly on Sep 29 2008, 05:09 PM, said:

Thanks for your praise. I would have voted for McCain when he first was running, but now  i question his judgement with choosing Palin among other things.I mean,there are Republican women in Congress  who could have been choosen,
why or how he picked her is beyond me.Now in the paper  today they had about McCain and gambling and casinos,what's next? Obama doesn't look good to me either.

At least with Hilary you knew what you were getting, and everyone one knew how Bill was as president, so I'm sorry she didn't get the nomination. Maybe things under Hilary wouldn't have been so bad.

I just know we need a strong smart leader who can somehow make things work.

I think she was a better pick from Republican women in Congress because she is an outsider and has delt with things in a the executive role and she knows alot about how the oil industry works


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Posted 30 September 2008 - 04:56 AM

Caesar on Sep 29 2008, 11:51 PM, said:

I think she was a better pick from Republican women in Congress because she is an outsider and has delt with things in a the executive role and she knows alot about how the oil industry works


You're delusional. She is part of the Alaska Republican machine. She has very little experience in a VERY SMALL state and a VERY SMALL town. Don't even get me started about her "knowledge" of the oil industry. Just because she lives in Alaska does not make know "alot" about the oil industry which has a smallish percentage coming from Alaska.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 05:02 AM

ninjadude on Sep 30 2008, 12:56 AM, said:

You're delusional. She is part of the Alaska Republican machine. She has very little experience in a VERY SMALL state and a VERY SMALL town. Don't even get me started about her "knowledge" of the oil industry. Just because she lives in Alaska does not make know "alot" about the oil industry which has a smallish percentage coming from Alaska.

You really are clueless aren't you. she had to deal with budgets and much more people and employess then the community organizer ever has





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