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[DrStrangelove]

I have a question for evolutionists. I am only curious and just want to keep an open mind about everything.

If creationists can't proove God because there is no proof, then how do evolutionists proove love exists? How do they proove morality exists? If morality does exist, what is moral and what decides what is and isn't? Furthermore, if morality doesn't exist than why isn't everyoe out raping, stealing, killing, and doing anything else to appease your immediate wants?

I mean this in all open-mindedness and I hope everyone who posts here posts with the same state of mind... (does that even make sence?)

[Potholer]

Here's an odd coincidence - just last night I was reading a book by C.S. Lewis called Mere Christianity. I didn't get to the part where Christianity is discussed but the part I did get to was Lewis's opinion on a Moral Law.

He says that the evidence of a moral law is through comments like "that's not fair" or "I was there first!". When, in response, the other person tries to give an excuse as to why they are in the right and teh one who is misses out is in the wrong. It illustrates it because they both believe in a moral code. The person to complain about the unfairness of the situation is assuming the other goes by a moral rule. The second person, also a believer in this moral code, tries to give an excuse that gives reason why they go against this code.

Lewis said that there is evidence of two things
1. We all believe in a moral code
2. We don't abide by it all the time.


Ok, I'm not sure if i'm making any sense here. Oh well.

[Xenojjin]

  here is what I think . ( assuming by evolutionists you mean athiests )

[bathory]

[PsychicPenguin]

[Druidus]

[Druidus]

[doomgirl]

Um, what does love and morality have to do with evolution

[PsychicPenguin]

[aquatus1]

Love and Morality are the name of the rules that societies gave to a physical phenomena.  As far as evolution is concerned, Love is simply the desire for social contact or reproductive action.  Morality is simply agreed upon roles which prevent potentialy fatal encounters resulting in the destruction of the species.  With those two basic urges(among others) pushing evolution forward, humanity and his desire to make things more complicated set up rules and guidelines around them.  I say humanity did, because if there had only been one source, i.e. God, then the rules for romance and fair play would be the same everywhere.  They are not, but the physical drive that is their foundation is.

[Druidus]

[PsychicPenguin]

[Monkyburd]

When you take apart the theroy of evolution, the bare bones of survival are:

To Survive
To reproduce

We as humans created various social institutions as we became the dominant species.  By some freak of nature we became our own natural enemy and as a means of protection we began to evolve socially.  

One thing I always have to remind creationists is that evolution is not instantaneous. It takes thousands of years to perfect, and several failed generations to get things right.     

Edited by Monkyburd, 21 March 2004 - 03:03 AM.

[crosswarrior]

  I understand that Evolution supposedly took mult- thousands of years; but how does simply adding a few zero's change anything? After all it is like taking the Fairytale about the frog being changed into a prince; we all know it is impossible. But Lets say perhaps that every day a princess kissed a frog for several million years, would the frog over time gradually change into a prince? It seems such a change would be benificial, right? After all, it would be a more directed chance than a piece of dirt becoming a living thing.  

[PsychicPenguin]

Evolution has no goal, and it is not as simple as that. It is the fundamental mechanisms that are important.