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#1    disturbed_bassist

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 03:28 PM

A friend of mine recently introduced me to an interesting theory,  the theory is that man millions of years from now be a brain simply surrounded by fat.. the reasoning for this is dependance on software and hardware that as time goes on is only increasing exponentially.  being a brain inside a robotic body controlled by state of art software might not be too bad!

seeming though we can now use GE to do whatever the hell we want this theory seems daft to me but at least its humorous!


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Posted 19 March 2004 - 04:54 PM

daft? yep


Evolution relies on passing on more successful genetic traites to the next generation. This animals with these traites have advatages over other of their species they will live longer and some have a larger chance of producing young. Given a few thousand/million years these traites are spread throughout all members of the species. Enough changes to make the animal gentically different from the original make it a new species.

Humans no longer follow this rule, even the weakest of our species can now live long lives and breed. The same genetic material in this gernation will be in the next and the next and the next. Traites which give someone an advantage have no ability to give its carrier the advantage over the others to produce more children.

Even if we have new technologies there is no reason how any chain of genetic mutations which would turn us into brains surrounded by fat would spread throughout the species considering, if anything, it is disadvantagous compared to our current forms.

The fact is medicine has killed of survival of the fittest in our species, evolution for humans will no longer happen in our current society. However what could be happening is all these surviving gentic weaknesses are spreading and building up a time bomb of gentic problems for the furture.

Indeed your friends argument is 'daft'  tongue.gif  grin2.gif  

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 05:38 PM

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However what could be happening is all these surviving gentic weaknesses are spreading and building up a time bomb of gentic problems for the furture.


... I think we should ban the use of medicines to protect human genes.. heck.. maybe those <insert a cult name here> are correct  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  


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Posted 19 March 2004 - 05:55 PM

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... I think we should ban the use of medicines to protect human genes.. heck.. maybe those <insert a cult name here> are correct


Hardly, banning the use of medicine on the basis of a theory which has not been proven correct and following some far right ideology is not the answer  tongue.gif  

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 06:36 PM

Is it not true that one day we may be able to choose which genes are inherited ? We could evolve ourselves so maybe its not that big of a problem .  

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 09:17 PM

Yes I do agree that modern medicine has stopped (or at least drastically slowed down) human evolution. We are the only species that no longer has 'survival of the fittest'. And we are allowing as many bad genes to be passed as good genes.

Though as a species we have also evolved to have Conscience, guilt, morals, and ethics.
This is what seperates us from the other animals.

for example:
Wolves are willing to sacrifice a fellow member of their kind for the better of their species as a whole, and only the 2 strongest members of each pack (the alphas) are allowed to reproduce.
Humans are willing to sacrifice the evolution of their species to save someone they love and care about, and we give everyone the right to breed even if we know that their baby will have a terrible, incurable illness or deformity.

We have become seperated from the laws of nature. But, like also mentioned, while we are not physically evolving anymore- we are becoming more evolved in technology therefore someday we'll probably make up for all our lost evolution time by high-tech methods of selecting which genes are and aren't passed on. So even if someone with hereditary problems wants to reproduce, they will be able to chose not to have those bad genes passed on to their offspring.

So in humans, technological evolution has taken the place of physical evolution.



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Posted 19 March 2004 - 09:28 PM

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we are becoming more evolved in technology therefore someday we'll probably make up for all our lost evolution time by high-tech methods of selecting which genes are and aren't passed on. So even if someone with hereditary problems wants to reproduce, they will be able to chose not to have those bad genes passed on to their offspring.


Certainly better than following some cult belief that only perfect humans can breed  thumbsup.gif
Although if it involves cloning I'm worried of what could arise. The removal of proneness to heart disease, cancer or altzimers etc could eventually lead on to removal of traits which have nothing to do with health and instead are about designer babies… that scares the cr*p out of me.  sad.gif
Hopefully, instead medicine will just advance so far thats its like, take 1 tablet a month when pregnant and your baby will have prefect health... a pipe dream yes,  tongue.gif but you never know.

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 09:57 PM

The humans are now begining to own their own destiny, speaking of natural evolution of course. Genetic engenering and cybernetics will allow humankind to get almost any posible modification to their own bodys and genes...

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 11:20 PM

If we do evolve then I'm sure we wont lose the ability to digest food and reproduce. Lol.  laugh.gif

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Posted 20 March 2004 - 03:39 AM

Has anyone seen the movie Gattaca, I think that is what will happen if they play around with our genetic make up, soon people like you and I will become invalid's, it's a scary thought

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Posted 21 March 2004 - 10:27 AM

I saw Gattica.... I don't wann live there  crying.gif

I wanna live in a United Federation of Planets  crying.gif  

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Posted 21 March 2004 - 03:45 PM

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Has anyone seen the movie Gattaca, I think that is what will happen if they play around with our genetic make up, soon people like you and I will become invalid's, it's a scary thought


Great film BTW thumbsup.gif

Yeah i see where your goin but that was a very extreme view of where humanity will end up (assumin we wont blow ourselves to smithereens 1st).

I think we'll end up in the middle .

I wann be a member of the united federation of planets as well. grin2.gif  

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 01:01 AM

Humans will PROBABLY no longer evolve, since evolution is chiefly influenced by isolation, and humanity has a habit of going everywhere nowadays.
It is, however, very probably that all races will eventually be melded into one.


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Posted 22 March 2004 - 04:10 AM

yes, within acouple hundred years all the races on earth will be blended pretty good. although, i see nothing wrong with this theory, it is the evolution of our technology which will change our being.


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Posted 22 March 2004 - 06:14 PM

I think as we evolve  and we explore strange new worlds, to seek out...er, sorry.
I think we will eventually find ourselves on new planets where the human race will evolve at different speeds and in different directions. Each form of humanity will be unique.
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