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#1    MasterPo

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 04:34 PM

My position on what I think an Obama Presidency is well known on this forum so I'm not going to relist everything one more time.

This post is to determine if those who disagree with me - BM, IL, SoCrazes, the Fluffster et. al. - have really stopped to think what it would mean if I am right or they are right about Obama.

Suppose Obama wins the election.

If I am right it could be the end of America as we have known and loved her and along with it free markets, freedom of choice, capitalism and self determination

If you are right then it's the start of a new age of prosperity and friendship the likes of which have never been seen before (or so the promises go).

So which are you willing to take the chance on?

IOW, if you're right and I'm wrong then no harm/no foul and we all laugh our way to the bar.

But if I am right and you are wrong then we cry together on the government bread line.

I just want to assertain if you have truly stopped to think of both sides and are willing to that much chance it.



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Posted 11 October 2008 - 04:42 PM

MasterPo on Oct 11 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

My position on what I think an Obama Presidency is well known on this forum so I'm not going to relist everything one more time.

This post is to determine if those who disagree with me - BM, IL, SoCrazes, the Fluffster et. al. - have really stopped to think what it would mean if I am right or they are right about Obama.

Suppose Obama wins the election.

If I am right it could be the end of America as we have known and loved her and along with it free markets, freedom of choice, capitalism and self determination

If you are right then it's the start of a new age of prosperity and friendship the likes of which have never been seen before (or so the promises go).

So which are you willing to take the chance on?

IOW, if you're right and I'm wrong then no harm/no foul and we all laugh our way to the bar.

But if I am right and you are wrong then we cry together on the government bread line.

I just want to assertain if you have truly stopped to think of both sides and are willing to that much chance it.


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Posted 11 October 2008 - 04:46 PM

One thing for sure, the inside of Air Force One will smell. happy.gif


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Posted 11 October 2008 - 04:49 PM

AROCES on Oct 11 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

One thing for sure, the inside of Air Force One will smell. happy.gif


I know you didn't go there. You forgot the fuzzy dice and blaring rap music.

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 04:52 PM

Plainbob13 on Oct 11 2008, 04:49 PM, said:

I know you didn't go there. You forgot the fuzzy dice and blaring rap music.

I did! And that statement is not baseless.
Fuzzy dice and rap music is from you, base on ?


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Posted 11 October 2008 - 06:27 PM

MasterPo on Oct 11 2008, 09:34 AM, said:

Suppose Obama wins the election.

If I am right it could be the end of America as we have known and loved her and along with it free markets, freedom of choice, capitalism and self determination

If you are right then it's the start of a new age of prosperity and friendship the likes of which have never been seen before (or so the promises go).

So which are you willing to take the chance on?

IOW, if you're right and I'm wrong then no harm/no foul and we all laugh our way to the bar.

But if I am right and you are wrong then we cry together on the government bread line.

I just want to assertain if you have truly stopped to think of both sides and are willing to that much chance it.

We don't have a free market in this country--we have, and have had for decades, corporate socialism; wealth redistribution UP.  Funny that you would say Obama threatens freedom of choice, when a McCain/Palin administration would be working to eliminate Roe v. Wade.  Capitalism?  We have a mixed economy, get over it.  So your notion that Obama would destroy these things we don't have--or won't have, if McCain/Palin get their way--is...well, you know, confused to say the least.

A lot of folks see a McCain/Palin administration as a major threat to American democracy (or even any hope of democracy with the sheer number of low-information voters it would take to elect Palin now to any office).  A lot of folks see Palin as an unrepentant Christo-fascist who would happily destroy the separation between church and state out of sheer ignorance and hubris, if nothing else.  A lot of folks see Palin's corruption as a cross between Bush's and Cheney's worst attributes.  A lot of people see McCain as a man who has sold all his principles to satisfy his ambition.  A lot of people see Reaganomics as a bankrupt (pun unavoidable) ideology.  The America we've known and loved IS on the skids, thanks to Bush/Cheney and thanks to the slow-motion economic suicide of the Reagan revolution--sure was fun while it lasted, though!  McCain is a grandstanding 26 year dilettante in the Senate (an impressive achievement in itself) who can't even make a credible choice of V.P.  A McCain/Palin administration would be a continuation of the most ruinous policies, foreign and domestic, this country has seen in my lifetime (btw, the Surge<tm> will have to end someday, we'll have to stop bribing the millitias some day, and when that day comes, we'll see how "successful" the Surge<tm> has been).

The McCain I've seen over the past 20 months has been twistin' in the wind--his entire strategy is based on high-stakes gambles that blow up in his face, again, and again, and again.  Is that the kind of President you want?  He has ABSOLUTELY no long term solutions to offer for any problem, not the least of which are the daily catastrophes faced by his campaign!  He didn't even know that working his dwindling crowds into angry, low-information mobs was A BAD IDEA.  Whoopsie!

So the issue is not simply whether or not you are wrong about Obama.  Have you ever considered that you might be dead wrong about McCain/Palin as well?




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Posted 11 October 2008 - 06:43 PM

MasterPo on Oct 11 2008, 11:34 AM, said:

I just want to assertain if you have truly stopped to think of both sides and are willing to that much chance it.

If only you were to worry so much about your rights and freedoms under the current administration...



Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 07:44 PM

As asserted earlier, we don't have capitalism - we have a mixed economy that has now grown more socialistic with the bailouts and the nationalisation of many banks.  This has occurred before the 2008 presidential race has ended; therefore, the blame cannot go toward a "President" McCain nor a "President" Obama.

As far as it being the end of "America" as we know it?  The America today is definitely not the America of "yesterday."  Everything is in a constant state of change.  What you must ask yourself is:  are you (or your country) changing for the better, or are you (or your country) changing for the worst?  Assessing our nation after this last administration's run (even before the economic crisis), I must say we've have changed for the worst and this is coming from a person who has always voted for a republican president.

I hope that whoever wins the election, whether McCain or Obama, will help:
1.  bring more peace in the world and less hatred.
2.  increase the diversity of energy sources so that not one corner of the world can hold levarage over our lives.
3.  solve the economic crisis and instill a system of order to our economy.

There are other wishes on my "Santa" list; but, these are the top three that pretty much guide the rest.  Poo, in the spirit of number 1 above, I'd have a beer with you anytime.   original.gif




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Posted 11 October 2008 - 08:33 PM

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If I am right it could be the end of America as we have known and loved her.....


I hope so.

The current america isn't to my liking. Lets hope your "change" is for the better..

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 10:35 PM

I'm with Inhuman on this.   Time we stopped living off the accomplishments of the past and move fowards to make newer and better accomplishments.  I don't see that happening with McCain and Palin.

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 11:55 PM

You all just might get your wish.

Let us all hope and pray none of us live to regret it.

I hate to reference pop culture, but I think sometimes many a truth is said in jest and this says it well:

"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." (Padme to Bail Organa, Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith)



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Posted 11 October 2008 - 11:59 PM

MasterPo on Oct 11 2008, 06:55 PM, said:

You all just might get your wish.

Let us all hope and pray none of us live to regret it.

I hate to reference pop culture, but I think sometimes many a truth is said in jest and this says it well:

"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." (Padme to Bail Organa, Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith)

Yeah, they were applauding pretty loud at the republican rallies when they compared obama to a terrorist.

So yeah, applause all the way around from wing nuts.

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 12:02 AM

MasterPo on Oct 11 2008, 07:55 PM, said:

You all just might get your wish.

Let us all hope and pray none of us live to regret it.

I hate to reference pop culture, but I think sometimes many a truth is said in jest and this says it well:

"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." (Padme to Bail Organa, Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith)


I'd say Bush has passed more laws acts and bills that have stolen more of our liberty than the previous 200 years combined,there are very few liberties left to take.

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Posted 12 October 2008 - 12:06 AM

nickoli on Oct 11 2008, 08:02 PM, said:

I'd say Bush has passed more laws acts and bills that have stolen more of our liberty than the previous 200 years combined,there are very few liberties left to take.


The greatest liberty is the freedom of self determination from your own hard labors and risk taking. IOW, you keep what you make.

This is IMO the greatest threat to freedom Obama represents based on his stated policies, and those of the people around him and who advise/support him.

Everything else is minor by comparison. If you have to labor long and hard but can have the state take away the fruits of those labors just because you have more than someone else, as I've said here countless times before, there is no ethical or moral justification for such legalized Robinhood tactics.



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Posted 12 October 2008 - 12:08 AM

Nickoli is correct.  The Constitution has been used as toliet paper in the oval office the past 8 years.  A simple perusal of the bailout plan as originated by W and Paulson will show you that they don't even look to the US Constitution for guidance.



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