draconic chronicler on Feb 16 2009, 05:19 PM, said:
And the captions state:
this is zeus meilichios, an aspect of zeus.....a cthonic aspect....and he is here a big wingless, limbless snake.
Using wiki saved some time here, essentially Zeus aquired the epithet after supplanting an earlier orphic daemon.
A Snake, not a drakon.
a daemon not a god
propitiated rather than worshiped.
i have never disputed orphism and the importance of snakes in Greek religious ritual.....but this is certainly not a quadrupedal dragon.
if you have no idea what is meant by Zeus Meilichios
"Meilichios", the "Easy-to-be-entreated", the gracious, accessible one, was the euphemistic aspect of Maimaktes the "raging" one, thirsty for blood (Harrison, p. 17).
Explicitly inscribed votive reliefs show that Meilichios was figured in the form of a serpent, who might be invoked as a kind of Ploutos, bringer of wealth. He had some of the avenging and fearful character of an Erynis, for Pausanias saw near the River Cephissus "an ancient altar of Zeus Meilichios; on it Theseus received purification from the descendants of Phytalos after he after he had slain among other robbers Sinis, who was related to himself". Meilichios' sacrifice was a holocaust, which was wholly consumed in fire and not shared by the votaries, "a dread renunciation to a dreadful power" (Harrison, p. 16), in nocturnal rites performed in an atmosphere of "chilly gloom" (Harrison), that was rendered in Greek as stygiotes.
Zeus tended to obscure the earlier figure he had supplanted. An Athenian of the fifth century would likely have conceived Zeus Meilichios as Zeus-Hades, Zeus "in his chthonic aspect".
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its a bit like a corporate takeover....
its also something i pointed out to both you and archie earlier, and while he saw the reason of it, you thought it was nonsense!
Griffins always painted Green????
This is from the throne room at knossos. it is a gryphon.....without wings....and its not green......
It dates from a time where you say these quadrupedal winged reptiles lived side by side with humans. Are you sure later greeks 'forgot' how their earlier 'gods' looked, thus representing them as both big mythical snakes and composite beasties???
How do you 'explain' this?
p.s. please see these.....
i sure am getting my money's worth at wiki today.
Edited by lil gremlin, 17 February 2009 - 01:02 AM.