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#16    WorkMonkey

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (fearfulone @ Mar 25 2004, 07:56 PM)

We as Catholics have also always taught that those who are "ignorant" or do not know of the truth can be saved through living a good life of works and faith.  We do however differ from the Muslims in saying that whomever is "saved" through "ignorance" is done so by God's "graces flowing through the Catholic Church to the world."

Matthew 7:21-27 - To enter the kingdom of heaven, it is not enough to call Jesus "Lord, Lord." One must DO the will of the Father (v 21).

Luke 6:46 - "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" What right do you have to claim He is your Lord if you don't obey? None! Your master is the one you obey (cf. Rom. 6:16; Matt. 6:24). If you don't obey, He's not your master.

Acts 10:35 - To be acceptable to Him, one must fear Him and work righteousness



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Posted 25 March 2004 - 11:34 PM

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 12:51 AM

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Matthew 7:21-27 - To enter the kingdom of heaven, it is not enough to call Jesus "Lord, Lord." One must DO the will of the Father (v 21).

Luke 6:46 - "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" What right do you have to claim He is your Lord if you don't obey? None! Your master is the one you obey (cf. Rom. 6:16; Matt. 6:24). If you don't obey, He's not your master.

Acts 10:35 - To be acceptable to Him, one must fear Him and work righteousness


Catholicism has no concept of sola scriptura ... so quoting bible verses doesn't mean a lot.


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Posted 26 March 2004 - 12:57 AM

QUOTE (PsychicPenguin @ Mar 26 2004, 12:51 AM)
Catholicism has no concept of sola scriptura ... so quoting bible verses doesn't mean a lot.

If they have no concept of scripture alone then why was the bible written by the founders of catholocism? Is the bible therefore lies? Do catholics denounce the bible as the word of god? Since all religious doctrine is derived from the bible then every offshoot of Christianity practices sola scripture, not just protastants...surely?

Edited by WorkMonkey, 26 March 2004 - 01:00 AM.

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 01:02 AM

The Roman Catholic church has changed a lot. So if I have to answer your questions from Catholic's point of view...

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Is the bible therefore lies?


The answer will be different according to your interpretation. Many details in the bible is wrong, but the major theme is still correct.

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Do catholics denounce the bible as the word of god?


No


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Posted 26 March 2004 - 01:07 AM

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Since all religious doctrine is derived from the bible then every offshoot of Christianity practices sola scripture, not just protastants...surely?


Sola scriptura is not a Catholic concept. It was invented during the reformation, and later became an integral part of Protestant movement. Today not some denominations do not practice this concept any longer.


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Posted 26 March 2004 - 01:08 AM

I dont understand then how Catholics can have no concept of sola scriptura, since the scripts are the only reference we have to gods alleged will.
How does one determine the critera for gaining access to heaven if the bible is not to be wholly believed?


Im no expert in this and have only just given myself a crash course on this whole sola scripture thing so answers would be appreciated.

Edited by WorkMonkey, 26 March 2004 - 01:08 AM.

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 01:23 AM

I'm wondering about that myself  tongue.gif  grin2.gif

Anyway.. the criteria to go to heaven is to be holy. A long time ago it was through indulgency letters.. and today by giving away 10% of your income to the church wink2.gif  whistling2.gif

Oh.. the 10% rule is also gone from the Roman Catholic church, making it the cheapest alternative to go to heaven.  laugh.gif  


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Posted 26 March 2004 - 01:34 AM

QUOTE (PsychicPenguin @ Mar 25 2004, 10:32 PM)
Uh well.. actually most other denominations condemn catholics as being "not real christian" or even "cult"... anyway.. good job for accepting evolution and not using sola scriptura thumbsup.gif

That makes little sense, considering Roman Catholicism is the original Christian religion. That would mean if the denominations' claims were valid they themselves would be cults of a cult.


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Posted 26 March 2004 - 01:43 AM

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That makes little sense, considering Roman Catholicism is the original Christian religion. That would mean if the denominations' claims were valid they themselves would be cults of a cult.


Sometimes fact doesn't make any sense wink2.gif

Anyway.. check out this link..  tongue.gif

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (PsychicPenguin @ Mar 26 2004, 01:43 AM)


Anyway.. check out this link..  tongue.gif

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

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that links stupid,
How can it proove Roman catholicism as the true church, using only the bible as back up, that is working on the presumption that the bible is the true word of god.
Where is the line drawn between circular reasoning and blind faith?

The whole concept it speaks of is basically doing exactly what god says and he'll be cool with you, that is manipulation to his will, why would a loving, benevolant father manipulate his childrens will to make him happy, instead of protecting them allowing them to make their own mistakes and forgiving them when they slip up.

ps why would god make sin if we had to repent of it to get to him, wouldnt it have been easier to just not make it in the first place?

Please no "God works in mysterious ways" replies, its just a blatant ass cover because you dont know.

Edited by WorkMonkey, 26 March 2004 - 02:59 PM.

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 06:10 PM

Ok ok, i told you i didnt want this to turn into a religious debate, but hell, if you guys want it.  I work for a Catholic Apologetics compnay (apologetics means to defend the faith), so i know quite a bit about the Church.  The Catholic Church, first off, does believe in the bible...we read scripture 4 times at mass each sunday... first from the old testament, then the psalms, then the new testament, then from one of the four Gospels.  And no, we are NOT a sola scriptura church... we believe that you can not use bible alone, but must incorporate traditions handed down from the apostles.  It says in scripture "if i were to write everything Christ said, there would not be enough books in all the libraries of the world to contain them," (not an exact quote) so we believe the apostles handed down various traditions, all of which the Catholic Church practices today.  Also, the jack chick tracts, which you put a link to, are very anti-Catholic and he is a professed anti-Catholic, so you can not use him as an un-biased view of Catholicism.  As far as where we get our traditions go to Early Fathers of Christianity, click on Church Fathers and you will read writings from disciples of the original twelve apostles who kept and upheld the traditions of the apostles.

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Oh.. the 10% rule is also gone from the Roman Catholic church, making it the cheapest alternative to go to heaven.   
  The Catholic Church has always taught that you should tithe according to the wages you earn...never have the been the "cheapest alternative" because they teach you should give your life to Christ through the Church.

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Anyway.. the criteria to go to heaven is to be holy. A long time ago it was through indulgency letters..
  You completely mis-understand the concept of indulgences...way to deep to get into in a forum like this, but you dont get to heaven through an "indulgence letter."  That was a mis-understanding during the time of the reformation.  And funny how Martin Luther, the father of the reformation, was quoted on his deathbed as saying, "what have i done," and going to confession before he passed. hmmm... blink.gif

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (fearfulone @ Mar 26 2004, 06:10 PM)
It says in scripture "if i were to write everything Christ said, there would not be enough books in all the libraries of the world to contain them,"

Didn't he ever shut up or something?

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 09:50 PM

This topic will probably be locked sooner or later without comments like that, thank you very much.

Edited by Aslan, 26 March 2004 - 09:53 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2004 - 11:42 PM

It was a fair assessment of the information given.

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