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[karl 12]

http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article578.html
On the afternoon of Wednesday, 11th June his body was found on a coal tip at Todmorden. There were no footmarks to indicate that anyone had climbed the 12 ft high heap of coal.

Two officers from the Todmorden Force, PC Alan Godfrey and a colleague, arrived at the scene at 4:10 pm. On seeing the burns, they immediately suspected a crime, and the police investigation began. His wallet, watch and shirt were missing and the rest of his clothing was intact.

His body was clean as if he has stepped from a shower. The most unusual aspect of the body's appearance were irregular marks on the back of his head, neck, and shoulders where the skin had been burnt off. The precise cause of the burns – possibly some sort of corrosive agent – was never identified.

The burns were estimated to have been inflicted 2 days before his death. There were traces of greasy substances on the burns, possibly an ointment which had been used to treat the wound. Analysis failed to identify the ointment. He had one day's growth of beard, and he had eaten well, although forensic examination showed that he had not eaten on the day the body was found.

His body had been exposed to the pouring rain for at least a day. Medical examination concluded that death occurred somewhere between 11:15 am and 1:15 pm that day, and the body had been on the coaltip beside the busy railway line for perhaps 3 or 4 hours. His widow believed that he had been kidnapped and tortured. The inquest returned a verdict of death caused by heart failure due to a shock or fright.

The incident was linked to UFOs and orange fireballs which had been seen in the area during the week that Adamski disappeared

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/...i_mystery.shtml


Zigmund’s body was lying on top of a pile of coal. He was wearing a suit but his shirt, watch and wallet were missing.
On the back of his head, neck and shoulders were mysterious burns which attracted lots of attention.

James Turnbull, the coroner who dealt with Zigmund’s death, says it’s the biggest mystery of his career.
The coroner was baffled because although Zigmund had been missing for five days, he only had one day’s growth of beard.
He says, "The question of where he was before he died and what led to his death just could not be answered."
James also said a strange ointment that appeared to have been used on Zigmund’s burns could not be identified by forensic scientists.

Exhaustive checks failed to reveal any record of Zigmund having been treated at any hospital during his missing five days.
It was at this point that questions began occurring, regarding the origin of this inexplicable ointment and who applied it to Zigmund.

In the past 20 years there has been many claimed sightings in the Pennine hills around Todmorden. It’s regarded as the Britain’s UFO hotspot. But serious UFO watchers dismiss most of these Pennine sighting as just lights in the sky.


Interestingly,one of the two policeman who discovered the body witnessed a UFO five months later in Todmorden-it was also witnessed by five other (separately located) policemen and P.C. Alan Godfrey was made to re-sign the offical secrets act with an added statement telling him not to talk about the Adamski case or his own sighting ever again.

Policeman Alan Godfrey´s sighting:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case722.htm



In November and December 1980, the eastern side of Britain was experiencing a major UFO sighting wave. There were chases of UFOs by police cars near the coast, a UFO that overflew an oil rig in the North Sea, and the wave culminated in the famous events on the East Anglian coast at Rendlesham Forest. Just a month before these landings beside those NATO air bases, one of the most impressive alien abduction cases took place in the small Penninemill town of Todmorden, West Yorkshire, right in the centre of Britain's most active window area known locally as "UFO Alley".

Police Constable Alan Godfrey was on patrol on the night of 28 November 1980. Just before dawn he drove along Burnley Road on the edge of Todmorden looking for some cows that had been reported missing. They were only found after sun-up, mysteriously relocated in a rain-soaked field without hoofmarks to indicate their passage.

Giving up his nocturnal hunt, Godfrey was about to go back to base to sign off duty when he saw a large mass a few hundred yards ahead. At first, he thought it was a bus coming towards him that took workers to their jobs in town and that he knew passed about 5:00 a.m. But as he approached, he realized that it was something very strange. It was a fuzzy oval that rotated at such speed and hovered so low over the otherwise deserted highway that it was causing the bushes by the side to shake. The police officer stopped, propped onto his windscreen a pad that was in the patrol car to make sketches of any road accidents, and drew the UFO. Then there was a burst of light, and the next thing he knew he was driving his car again, further along Burnley Road, with no sign of the UFO.

[Evangium]

Interesting case, and a while back some discussion on it was attempted on Hazzard's thread (all of 3 posts...), but BUFORA has debunked the alien/UFO side of the story-

http://www.bufora.org.uk/Articles/Zigmund%20Adamski.pdf

It would appear that this case was sensationalised after it was revealed that one of the PCs sent to the scene, Alan Godfrey had a UFO experience of his own.  As you've already noted, his UFO experience occured a few months after Adamski's body was found.*

edit:relevence
_____: *A little more on Godfry
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/alangodfreycase.html

Edited by Evangium, 07 November 2008 - 12:47 PM.

[thefinalfrontier]

Thats an interesting story, Makes me wonder how the cattle got to where they were with no eveidence of hoof prints entering the field they were in,

Thanks for the the good read,

Regards;

TFF

[louie]

Evangium on Nov 7 2008, 04:40 PM, said:

Interesting case, and a while back some discussion on it was attempted on Hazzard's thread (all of 3 posts...), but BUFORA has debunked the alien/UFO side of the story-

http://www.bufora.org.uk/Articles/Zigmund%20Adamski.pdf

It would appear that this case was sensationalised after it was revealed that one of the PCs sent to the scene, Alan Godfrey had a UFO experience of his own.  As you've already noted, his UFO experience occured a few months after Adamski's body was found.

edit:relevence

So how was the case debunked, i cant see where it was explained gow the body with the markings ended up on the coal heap. was it a mafia thing what.

[thefinalfrontier]

Evangium on Nov 7 2008, 07:40 AM, said:

Interesting case, and a while back some discussion on it was attempted on Hazzard's thread (all of 3 posts...), but BUFORA has debunked the alien/UFO side of the story-

http://www.bufora.org.uk/Articles/Zigmund%20Adamski.pdf

It would appear that this case was sensationalised after it was revealed that one of the PCs sent to the scene, Alan Godfrey had a UFO experience of his own.  As you've already noted, his UFO experience occured a few months after Adamski's body was found.*

edit:relevence
_____: *A little more on Godfry
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/alangodfreycase.html

Sorry to say but that story (Iread it all) is not a debunking of anything, All that is is one persons perspective which proves nothing other than the case remains open and unexplained,

Thats the way I see it,

Regards;

TFF

[Evangium]

louie on Nov 7 2008, 10:45 PM, said:

So how was the case debunked, i cant see where it was explained gow the body with the markings ended up on the coal heap. was it a mafia thing what.

Debunked as in "not killed by aliens".  

pages 4-6 from my bufora.org.uk link puts foward that inquiries had revealed that Mr. Adamski had "fallen out" with a male family member days before his god-daughter's wedding.  It is believed that this member locked Mr Adamski in a garden shed for the number of missing days.  That Mr Adamski was the victim of a family feud.  His widow stated that she believed he had been kidnapped, as opposed to missing.
No further comment on the acid (because they were unable to gain access to the forensic records due the case still being open), other than the UFO magazine correspondent's suggestion that he had come into contact with some battery acid whilst escaping from the shed.  The burn marks, again another suggestion, this time from a police officer, that Mr Adamski had been recieving moxi-bustion treatment.
Alan Godfrey does not believe aliens were involved.  
Conclusion - Possible foul play.  Offender still at large.  Is very human and quite likely known to the family.

So ET debunked.  

[thefinalfrontier]

Evangium on Nov 7 2008, 08:07 AM, said:

Debunked as in "not killed by aliens".  

pages 4-6 from my bufora.org.uk link puts foward that inquiries had revealed that Mr. Adamski had "fallen out" with a male family member days before his god-daughter's wedding.  It is believed that this member locked Mr Adamski in a garden shed for the number of missing days.  That Mr Adamski was the victim of a family feud.  His widow stated that she believed he had been kidnapped, as opposed to missing.
No further comment on the acid (because they were unable to gain access to the forensic records due the case still being open), other than the UFO magazine correspondent's suggestion that he had come into contact with some battery acid whilst escaping from the shed.  The burn marks, again another suggestion, this time from a police officer, that Mr Adamski had been recieving moxi-bustion treatment.
Alan Godfrey does not believe aliens were involved.  
Conclusion - Possible foul play.  Offender still at large.  Is very human and quite likely known to the family.

So ET debunked.

I understand the theory that the story concludes but then its only opinion and not eveidence of being debunked, I bolded the statement above saying
it is believed and that is a flag that its only speculation, This debunking story holds no water so to speak and is only speculation, I conclude its still a mystery,,

Regards;

TFF

[Evangium]

thefinalfrontier on Nov 7 2008, 11:06 PM, said:

Sorry to say but that story (Iread it all) is not a debunking of anything, All that is is one persons perspective which proves nothing other than the case remains open and unexplained,

Thats the way I see it,

Regards;

TFF

That's essentially what I say about every UFO case, and nobody believes me
Personally, I'd say that in the Adamski case, the BUFORA explanation is more likely, since one of the researchers/investigators, John Hanson, has almost 30 years policing experience (14 in Criminal Investigation).  So, whilst you can truthfully say it's his opinion, it is quite likely that he has investigated the case a little more thoroughly than the average person would.
So I stand behind my assertion that the ET component of the mystery has been debunked

edit: same for your last, also

Edited by Evangium, 07 November 2008 - 01:24 PM.

[Sky Scanner]

thefinalfrontier on Nov 7 2008, 01:18 PM, said:

I understand the theory that the story concludes but then its only opinion and not eveidence of being debunked, I bolded the statement above saying
it is believed and that is a flag that its only speculation, This debunking story holds no water so to speak and is only speculation, I conclude its still a mystery,,

Regards;

TFF

It's certainly a mystery TFF. I have a feeling however that if it hadn't had been on Alan Godfreys watch then it would have been resigned to category of a sad death of an earthly origin much quicker.

Imo it's one of those cases where there were a few interesting coincidences but they're nothing more then that, out there somewhere is someone who's got away with murder, or at least serious foul play in this case.

[thefinalfrontier]

Sky Scanner on Nov 7 2008, 08:25 AM, said:

It's certainly a mystery TFF. I have a feeling however that if it hadn't had been on Alan Godfreys watch then it would have been resigned to category of a sad death of an earthly origin much quicker.

Imo it's one of those cases where there were a few interesting coincidences but they're nothing more then that, out there somewhere is someone who's got away with murder, or at least serious foul play in this case.

Couldnt agree more, Weather its murder or otherwise it remains an open case, Oh and by the way I havent mentioned ufo as being involved, All im saying its not been debunked,

Regards;

TFF

[Evangium]

Sky Scanner on Nov 7 2008, 11:25 PM, said:

It's certainly a mystery TFF. I have a feeling however that if it hadn't had been on Alan Godfreys watch then it would have been resigned to category of a sad death of an earthly origin much quicker.

Imo it's one of those cases where there were a few interesting coincidences but they're nothing more then that, out there somewhere is someone who's got away with murder, or at least serious foul play in this case.

Spot on.

I must admit, when I first heard about the case and the Godfrey connection, I thought there might be something more to it.  But following the leads (provided by google), led me to believe that its nothing more than an unrelated coincidence, and that Mr Adamski's real killer (or at least a person of interest who can shed some light on his final days) is still out there.  
And it would be a great shame to think that UFOlogy has provided him with an alibi...

edit:typo

Edited by Evangium, 07 November 2008 - 01:32 PM.

[thefinalfrontier]

Evangium on Nov 7 2008, 08:21 AM, said:

That's essentially what I say about every UFO case, and nobody believes me
Personally, I'd say that in the Adamski case, the BUFORA explanation is more likely, since one of the researchers/investigators, John Hanson, has almost 30 years policing experience (14 in Criminal Investigation).  So, whilst you can truthfully say it's his opinion, it is quite likely that he has investigated the case a little more thoroughly than the average person would.
So I stand behind my assertion that the ET component of the mystery has been debunked

edit: same for your last, also

LMBO;
It sure is a wonderful world isnt it? It works both ways, Yaysayers of ufos can not provide evbidence but then again a murder or otherwise case can not be debunked,  

I love it,

Regards;

TFF

[Sky Scanner]

thefinalfrontier on Nov 7 2008, 01:29 PM, said:

Couldnt agree more, Weather its murder or otherwise it remains an open case, Oh and by the way I havent mentioned ufo as being involved, All im saying its not been debunked,

Regards;

TFF

Evangium on Nov 7 2008, 01:31 PM, said:

Spot on.

I must admit, when I first heard about the case and the Godfrey connection, I thought there might be something more to it.  But following the leads (provided by google), led me to believe that its nothing more than an unrelated coincidence, and that Mr Adamski's real killer (or at least a person of interest who can shed some light on his final days) is still out there.  
And it would be a great shame to think that UFOlogy has provided him with an alibi...

edit:typo

I'm pretty sure the police never took the ufo angle seriously. Alan Godfrey himself was an excellent officer, he played a key role in bringing to justice 'the black panther' (Donald Neilson). I wouldn't think the police were ever side-tracked in this case, the ufology angle took on a life of it's own seperate from a criminal investigation.

[Evangium]

thefinalfrontier on Nov 7 2008, 11:32 PM, said:

LMBO;
It sure is a wonderful world isnt it? It works both ways, Yaysayers of ufos can not provide evbidence but then again a murder or otherwise case can not be debunked,  

I love it,

Regards;

TFF

Yes it is amusing (and this is why Hazzard's thread could go on indefinitely).  But I am a little curious as to how you arrive at the conclusion the ET side of case is not debunked?
Especially since one of the men who authored the report is quite versed in the art of investigation?

Is this another case of former or current Police Officers and Military are only credible, reliable sources of authority when they say that there is evidence to suggest ET?
The way I see it is, if the course of enquiry strongly suggests (through proper investigative techniques) that a more terrestrial/human explanation exists, then 'aliens' has been debunked.

Please explain.

[Evangium]

Sky Scanner on Nov 7 2008, 11:43 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure the police never took the ufo angle seriously. Alan Godfrey himself was an excellent officer, he played a key role in bringing to justice 'the black panther' (Donald Neilson). I wouldn't think the police were ever side-tracked in this case, the ufology angle took on a life of it's own seperate from a criminal investigation.

Of course they weren't.  From the reports I've read (aliens or otherwise) the only thing that impeded them was technological limitations of the time.
By alibi, I'm refering to this day and age, where the ufology angle has evolved to disregard the fact that (for all intents and purposes) this case is still open, and someone needs to come forward.  
After all "aliens did it" is a rather bad taste remark for a case where a family still hasn't had the opportunity to see civil justice done.