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#16    Lord Umbarger

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 07:12 AM

As for the coffins thing, I can't see a real reason for that one. Generally, in times of massive deaths, don't they usually just open a long, deep trench and bury everyone in a mass grave anyway? I mean, if it is an emergency type situation, why take the time to put each person in a box or even a bag for that matter? Not to be brutal or too graphic here but, wouldn't putting bodies in individual coffins or bags present a health risk? You know, more contact with the dead than needed? It just seems to me like it would be far safer for the workers to just bull doze the corpses into mass communl graves.

As for the concentration camps in waiting, I don't know. There is supposed to be one near where I live but, I have yet to load up the family and take a day trip out to see it. I at one time, had a list saved that gave the names and locations fo a bunch of them all around the country but, I don't know if I still hav it or not. Of course, these could come in handy in the case of a massive uprising of the population or something but, by forcibly housing that many citizens, it would surely cause an uproar with the ones still on the loose!

For those that don't know, there is a directive in the Civil Defence handbook that allows for the government to press free citizens into forced labor in case of a national emergency. This might be a good one to look up on your search engine of choice. The first time I remember seeing it was in some book I got from the library, (yes, I used to go to the library, I am that old), that was published during the Cold War and was intended to explain what one could expect if the Soviets ever nuked us.

Not to sound like a fear monger but, I do remember hearing recently that there has been a lot of new activity around a number of these "camps". Supposedly, it is part of a New World Order take over or something. from what I understand, it has to do with Obama saying that in the near future the U.S. was going to have to "make some hard choices that may be unpopular with the people". He really did say that but, I don't know that it dovetails into the "camps" being reactivated or not.

I also remember hearing the rumor that a lot of the refugees from Katrina were housed i a camp in some northern state. I don't know if that is true or not though. It seems like if that had really happened, it would have been all over the news. I mean, we can't even keep Gitmo a secret and it is on an island in the Carribean! how could we keep it quiet if it was happening right here at home?

I'm sure that most governments have some kind of similar contingency plans in place though. I mean, wouldn't it be foolish to not have?

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 08:52 AM

yo, Lord. I think you brought up alot of good points/questions.

Lord Umbarger on Nov 22 2008, 08:12 AM, said:

As for the coffins thing, I can't see a real reason for that one. Generally, in times of massive deaths, don't they usually just open a long, deep trench and bury everyone in a mass grave anyway? I mean, if it is an emergency type situation, why take the time to put each person in a box or even a bag for that matter? Not to be brutal or too graphic here but, wouldn't putting bodies in individual coffins or bags present a health risk? You know, more contact with the dead than needed? It just seems to me like it would be far safer for the workers to just bull doze the corpses into mass communl graves.


Yeah, I agree. The only reason I can think of for half a million "plastic coffins" (which actually appear to be grave liners and likely have a ligitimate reason for being there) would be to maintain some kind of public image (ie we are not just dumping everyone in mass graves).

Lord Umbarger on Nov 22 2008, 08:12 AM, said:

For those that don't know, there is a directive in the Civil Defence handbook that allows for the government to press free citizens into forced labor in case of a national emergency. This might be a good one to look up on your search engine of choice. The first time I remember seeing it was in some book I got from the library, (yes, I used to go to the library, I am that old), that was published during the Cold War and was intended to explain what one could expect if the Soviets ever nuked us.


I could easily be wrong but can't they do that under martial law anyway?

Lord Umbarger on Nov 22 2008, 08:12 AM, said:

Not to sound like a fear monger but, I do remember hearing recently that there has been a lot of new activity around a number of these "camps". Supposedly, it is part of a New World Order take over or something. from what I understand, it has to do with Obama saying that in the near future the U.S. was going to have to "make some hard choices that may be unpopular with the people". He really did say that but, I don't know that it dovetails into the "camps" being reactivated or not.


There is alot of ways Obama's words can go..... Could be he is talking about us giving up the "american lifestyle" "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ..." or he could be talking about having to submit to manditory national service. Or, he could be talking about having to decide what flavor of boot we want to lick if some "unseen crisis" unseenly comes about.

Lord Umbarger on Nov 22 2008, 08:12 AM, said:

I also remember hearing the rumor that a lot of the refugees from Katrina were housed i a camp in some northern state. I don't know if that is true or not though. It seems like if that had really happened, it would have been all over the news. I mean, we can't even keep Gitmo a secret and it is on an island in the Carribean! how could we keep it quiet if it was happening right here at home?


I haven't heard about a northern state camp. However, even the "super dome" (or whatever it was called) was a relocation camp. While that might seem a far cry from what people imagine in darker terms, it was very public, temporary and improvised. There was another relocation camp "under the bridge", where people were held forcibly and not allowed to leave. And that was on the news.

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Lord Umbarger on Nov 22 2008, 08:12 AM, said:

I'm sure that most governments have some kind of similar contingency plans in place though. I mean, wouldn't it be foolish to not have?


Absolutely. In my previous post I posted some evidence for what the government has planned in for in the event of a biological attack. I did not and am not suggesting in that post that we are all going to be thrown in a fire pit by the "vague nebulous meanie pants". However, as you state, it would be foolish to not have such plans in place. But, as ugly as the reality might be, i think there is cause to question such plans. If after a hurrican geraldo is asking why people aren't alowed to just "walk outta here" to where there might be fresh water or food, is that the type of place you (or any of us) want to take our familes in the event of a biological or nuclear attack?

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 09:51 AM

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...the government to press free citizens into forced labor in case of a national emergency....
I could easily be wrong but can't they do that under martial law anyway?
Yes, they can, from what I understand. That is what I was alluding to anyway.

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...to maintain some kind of public image (ie we are not just dumping everyone in mass graves).
I'm sure that they would make every attempt to do that but, if the emergency were severe enough or the numbers of dead were piling up too rapidly, they'd have to give up on putting a "happy face" on it and all ceremony would have to be dropped.

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There is alot of ways Obama's words can go.....
True, and I have no idea what he meant by that statement either. He could have been refering to just about anything there and I don't know that it was ever clarified.

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There was another relocation camp "under the bridge", where people were held forcibly and not allowed to leave. And that was on the news.
I don't doubt that but, I don't remember hearing about it. there are supposed to be a lot of fenced in "relocation camps" scattered around the nation though. Many with guard towers and everything... supposedly. Like I said, I haven't gone looking for any of them even though there is supposed to be one near where I live.

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...is that the type of place you (or any of us) want to take our familes in the event of a biological or nuclear attack?
It deffinately wouldn't be a first choice and I think that I would rather try taking my chances on my own, at least for a while. Of course, anything is better than dying so, for many, it might be a welcomed option. Then again, we are presuming that we would be given the "choice". It seems to me that the "camps" described in the conspiracy theory are more for forced holding purposes. You know, like for political foes or maybe for forced re-education or something.

I'm not saying that I buy in to all of this but, it is the theory behind the supposd camps that have been set up in various places around the nation with rail lines, guard towers and barbed wire fences. Years ago, the CT was that it was part of a Clinton plan to subjegate the U.S. to the U.N. and the camps were for housing Americans who were displeased with the new order of things. There were also a lot of people claiming to have seen large numbers of buses, tanks and other vehicles painted white with the letters "U.N." painted on them. I've seen a couple of web sites where some pictures were posted but, once again, I have no idea what they would have been for.

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Posted 14 February 2009 - 04:26 PM


An Indiana county municipal official in the vicinity of Chicago reveals the contents of his meetings with FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security. The initial requests seem reasonable enough when FEMA asks the county officials to prepare a Hazard Mitigation Plan to deal with flooding, fires, high winds and tornadoes.

But as the required meetings and calls with FEMA and DHS continue over a two year period their request become more unusual, raising suspicions of county officials

“We want to know every important thing in this county. We want to know where police departments are. Where weapons are stored. Hazardous material. Where can we land a helicopter. Where are the airports. How big a plane can you land at the airport. Where are all the bridges. Where are all the power stations. Where are all the generating stations.Where are all the substations. They literally wanted to know where everything was. I’m sitting there thinking man if there was ever martial law. This kind of information is exactly the kind of stuff they are going to want. We’re just laying it all out for them right there.”

During the legally mandated meetings held with FEMA and DHS different disaster scenarios were reveled to county officials:

In late December 2008 municipal officials were invited to Indianapolis for a briefing on the state of Indiana. There were told if industry were to collapse for example GM going bankrupt resulting in mass unemployment a depression would soon follow and municipalities could expect to loose 40% of their funds.
Every county in the nation would be required to prepare a Hazard Mitigation Plan.
The county should prepare a plan to vaccinate the entire population within 48 hours and practice the plan several times.
FEMA inquired to where mass graves could be placed in the county and would they accept bodies from elsewhere.
The sheriff’s department via the state sheriff association was told that no .223 ammunition rounds would be available as the military would be purchasing all stocks.
The county was asked to make plans for “hardening” of police and fire stations, putting in hardened bunker type buildings around town.
The county was asked to make plans for the possibility of up to 400,000 refugees from Chicago.


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Posted 15 February 2009 - 11:37 PM

hilarious!

these camps are nothing more than inconspicuous luxury apartments, should a far-reaching disaster eventuate we will all be safely housed and looked after.
upon arrival you will be escorted directly to your lavish suite and pampered.
they've even put mints on pillows and embroided our initials onto our towels.
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Posted 16 February 2009 - 08:27 AM

el midgetron on Feb 14 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

“We want to know every important thing in this county. We want to know where police departments are. Where weapons are stored. Hazardous material. Where can we land a helicopter. Where are the airports. How big a plane can you land at the airport. Where are all the bridges. Where are all the power stations. Where are all the generating stations.Where are all the substations. They literally wanted to know where everything was. I’m sitting there thinking man if there was ever martial law. This kind of information is exactly the kind of stuff they are going to want. We’re just laying it all out for them right there.”

This all seems perfectly reasonable to me. In the event of a major natural disaster or nuclear/biological/chemical attack, the feds would absolutely need to know these things. Police departments? Usually have excellent communications facilities, armories, holding cells, etc. Good for setting up a headquarters. Hazardous materials? In the event of a flood washing out a facility handling hazmat, this would be good to know. Helicopter landing sites? Military medivac helicopters, as well as transports to bring in soldiers who could assist law enforcement with keeping the peace. Airports: size and location? The government wants to know how big the airports are to figure out if they can only land small prop-driven aircraft, or the big boys like C-5s and C-17s; these would be used to bring in food, water, medical supplies, temporary housing like tents and such, and then evacuate the sick and injured. Bridges? Good for setting up security check points. Bridges are nice, man-made choke points, and if you want to control who comes into and leaves a disaster area, these are good places to do it. Power stations? Obviously the Army Corps of Engineers would need to know where all of these are in order to restore power.

I think this "Indiana county official" is being exceptionally paranoid.

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 01:37 PM

Fighting69th on Feb 16 2009, 03:27 AM, said:

This all seems perfectly reasonable to me. In the event of a major natural disaster or nuclear/biological/chemical attack, the feds would absolutely need to know these things. Police departments? Usually have excellent communications facilities, armories, holding cells, etc. Good for setting up a headquarters. Hazardous materials? In the event of a flood washing out a facility handling hazmat, this would be good to know. Helicopter landing sites? Military medivac helicopters, as well as transports to bring in soldiers who could assist law enforcement with keeping the peace. Airports: size and location? The government wants to know how big the airports are to figure out if they can only land small prop-driven aircraft, or the big boys like C-5s and C-17s; these would be used to bring in food, water, medical supplies, temporary housing like tents and such, and then evacuate the sick and injured. Bridges? Good for setting up security check points. Bridges are nice, man-made choke points, and if you want to control who comes into and leaves a disaster area, these are good places to do it. Power stations? Obviously the Army Corps of Engineers would need to know where all of these are in order to restore power.

I think this "Indiana county official" is being exceptionally paranoid.

And of course, if they didn't know these things, and a natural disaster occured, they would be criticized for not being prepared.

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 01:32 AM

frenat on Feb 16 2009, 08:37 AM, said:

And of course, if they didn't know these things, and a natural disaster occured, they would be criticized for not being prepared.

Exactly.


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Posted 17 February 2009 - 04:37 PM

...and the vast majority of that information is readily available in public sources..."where are the airports?"...well...duhhh!


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Posted 05 March 2009 - 12:36 PM

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 01:00 PM

frenat on Feb 16 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

And of course, if they didn't know these things, and a natural disaster occured, they would be criticized for not being prepared.


Yet New Orleans went under?  huh.gif

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 01:06 PM

johnk81 on Mar 5 2009, 08:00 AM, said:

Yet New Orleans went under?  huh.gif

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frenat on Mar 5 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

Are you even following the discussion?  The incident in question happened after New Orleans and is quite likely a result of the criticism received for what happened there.



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Posted 25 April 2009 - 01:45 PM

LadyHay on Nov 18 2008, 12:40 AM, said:

Exactly.  They are vaults.  Kind of funny when considering the previous answers.   happy.gif


they are indeed vaults and here is a link to the company who have made them for FEMA. http://www.polyguardvaults.com/


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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:35 PM

With the current Swine Flu outbreak perhaps these thousands of 'plastic FEMA coffins' that Glenn Beck says don't exist, are for mass death in the USA.....

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